Kanechika inherits Miyagino-Beya

[Kintamayama 47,178]

Sandanme west 34 Kanechika from Kitanoumi-Beya (34, 10th on the oldest active rikishi list, 8th on the most years in Sumo list with 18, highest rank Juryo 2 ,went MK today) has acquired the Miyagino name and will inherit the heya. He will be retiring after this basho. He has 24 Juryo bashos under his scalp, which is 4 more than the required minimum of 20 for acquiring a heya. He is married to ex-Miyagino (deceased ex Komusubi Hirogawa) Oyakata's daughter, and was adopted by the widow. Current Miyagino Oyakata (ex- Maegashira Chikubayama) will acquire another miyoseki and stay with the Kyokai in some capacity or other. Hakuhou and Koubo are the two Sekitori that belong to this heya.

Edited July 17, 2004 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari 20,223]

Hmm, does that mean Chikubayama only had the Miyagino name on loan while operating the heya? Interesting arrangement...

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Hmm, does that mean Chikubayama only had the Miyagino name on loan while operating the heya? Interesting arrangement...

Yes, and it seems to answer the question about such a possibility too. If Kotonowaka keeps doing good sumo for longer than expected, maybe something similar could happen there...

[hoshidango 0]

Just to see if I understand correctly; does it take 30 basho of sekitori to be toshiyori and 20 basho to be oyakata? Or may be reverse?

[Asashosakari 20,223]

Just to see if I understand correctly; does it take 30 basho of sekitori to be toshiyori and 20 basho to be oyakata? Or may be reverse?

There are special dispensations for inheriting a heya and its accompanying toshiyori. Details here.

[Kintamayama 47,178]

Well, it seems it's not going to happen so quickly. Kanechika's Oyakata, Kitanoumi Rijicho, said today that he will not be submitting the intai request before the Banzuke makers meet, meaning that Kanechika will still be listed on the September Banzuke. This means that the heya inheritance is on hold. It seems to the reporter that the postponement is to give some time for the present Miyagino Oyakata to acquire a new miyoseki.

To me , it appears that something in this whole affair is pissing Rijicho off, and he is trying to force Kanechika to do it the "right" way. Maybe.

[Asashosakari 20,223]

The part that confuses me about the whole affair...the former Miyagino Oyakata has been dead (if I understood things correctly) for almost 15 years now. In all that time, nobody ever approached the widow with the intent of buying the toshiyori? I figure she didn't specifically hold back the toshiyori for Kanechika, since he was only 19 at the time Miyagino died...so what went on all these years?

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

The part that confuses me about the whole affair...the former Miyagino Oyakata has been dead (if I understood things correctly) for almost 15 years now. In all that time, nobody ever approached the widow with the intent of buying the toshiyori? I figure she didn't specifically hold back the toshiyori for Kanechika, since he was only 19 at the time Miyagino died...so what went on all these years?

I don't know either, but I assume Chikubayama has actually been loaning (not necessarily officially, but in reality) this toshiyori from the widow for all this time and now after 15 years the widow finally finds herself in a situation where she has someone to give it to... As far as I understand this type of thing have happened quite a few times in the past when the widow of a deceased oyakata have wanted more money than the potential buyers can afford and therefore just renting out the toshiyori. It has also been known to end in trouble. :-P

I feel a bit sorry for Chikubayama, especially if this all means he will have to leave sumo altogether... (Blushing...)

I doubt Kanechika is really prepared to take over the heya from day 1 or even wants to. If he had the full status for requiring toshiyori I assume he could simply be jun-toshiyori for some two years giving Chikubayama plenty of time to acquire another toshiyori and himself get warm in his cloths. Now that he seems to rely on the "inheritence rule" of 20 Juryo basho he can't stay as oyakata at all in another way than taking the Miyagino-stock directly. I hope the Kyokai can somehow mediate in this and bend some of the usual criteria. :-P

Edited July 19, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama

[Asashosakari 20,223]

I doubt Kanechika is really prepared to take over the heya from day 1 or even wants to. If he had the full status for requiring toshiyori I assume he could simply be jun-toshiyori for some two years giving Chikubayama plenty of time to acquire another toshiyori and himself get warm in his cloths. Now that he seems to rely on the "inheritence rule" of 20 Juryo basho he can't stay as oyakata at all in another way than taking the Miyagino-stock directly. I hope the Kyokai can somehow mediate in this and bend some of the usual criteria. :-P

Well, in case Kanechika is really more interested in the toshiyori than in the stable, he could always transfer ownership of the heya back to Chikubayama, assuming the latter manages to find another toshiyori...

(Yes, I know that sounds suspiciously like a conspiracy theory, but I honestly do wonder if this isn't just a case of Kanechika lucking into a toshiyori via marriage and him actually being more interested in the financially secure oyakata job rather than running a heya...)

[Asashosakari 20,223]

From the SML, echoing the collective surprise found here...

It is common in ordinary Japanese society for a son-in-law to be adopted to carry on the family name, and

Edited July 20, 2004 by Asashosakari

[hoshidango 0]

Informative info folks. Thanks for this.

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

Informative info folks. Thanks for this.

:-P Informative information (Blushing...)

Is that like repetetive redundancy? :-P

[Chienoshima 0]

All this stuff is definitely a sad story, especially when you think that the Miyagino beya has one of the best prospect in ozumo right now.

Hakuho has clearly the potentiel to reach yokozuna and to challenge Asashoryu. But, if former Chukubayama, his mentor, has to leave, it is quite reasonnable to think this will have a direct negative effect on Hakuho's career. Maybe, this is the reason why Kitanoumi is so pissed off.

Hakuho is still young, but how will accept to take orders from a such relatively poor former rikishi like Kanechika (ranked sandanme in this Nagoya basho) ?

This toshiyori-kabu is really dirty. Is it possible for Chukubayama (in case he found a lot of money of course !) to leave, to start a new heya by taking Hakuho in his "luggage" ?

Cheers,

Chienoshima

[Kashunowaka 300]

Hakuho has clearly the potentiel to reach yokozuna and to challenge Asashoryu. But, if former Chukubayama, his mentor, has to leave, it is quite reasonnable to think this will have a direct negative effect on Hakuho's career. Maybe, this is the reason why Kitanoumi is so pissed off.

Hakuho is still young, but how will accept to take orders from a such relatively poor former rikishi like Kanechika (ranked sandanme in this Nagoya basho) ?

Chikubayama didn't exactly light up the dohyo either when he was active.

[Azumashida 1]

Hakuho is still young, but how will accept to take orders from a such relatively poor former rikishi like Kanechika (ranked sandanme in this Nagoya basho) ?

Well, I've just noticed that Kanechika actually beat Asashoryu by tsukitaoshi in the 1999 Kyushu Basho (for Shoryu's second Basho in Makushita). Maybe he can advise Hakuho on how to beat the Yokozuna... (Applauding...)

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Hakuho has clearly the potentiel to reach yokozuna and to challenge Asashoryu. But, if former Chukubayama, his mentor, has to leave, it is quite reasonnable to think this will have a direct negative effect on Hakuho's career. Maybe, this is the reason why Kitanoumi is so pissed off.

Hakuho is still young, but how will accept to take orders from a such relatively poor former rikishi like Kanechika (ranked sandanme in this Nagoya basho) ?

Chikubayama didn't exactly light up the dohyo either when he was active.

To put this in perspective:

Kanechika had 24 basho in Juryo.

Chikubayama had 23 basho in Juryo and 2 basho in Makunouchi...

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[hoshidango 0]

Informative info folks.  Thanks for this.

(Applauding...) Informative information B-)

Is that like repetetive redundancy? (Clapping wildly...)

Say informative something... I don't know. How about a new word "info2"? Thos goes as opposed to uninformative information as a new word "info0"? I don't know if anyone reads Edward DeBono but his thinking is interesting. Well, another off topic..

[Kintamayama 47,178]

Current Miyagino Oyakata (but not for long..), who will be forced to relinquish his name after Ex-Juryo Kanechika inherited it, plans on staying on at Miyagino as an affiliate Oyakata. He wishes to continue and bring up the likes of Hakuhou. He assembled the rikishi after Nagoya and told them of his intentions, which apparently are known to the new Oyakata. It seems he will assume the name of Kumagatani, which at present belongs to ex-Asahisato of Oitekaze -beya, which belongs to the same Tatsunami/Isegahama Ichimon.

[Elenrian 0]

Well, I've just noticed that Kanechika actually beat Asashoryu by tsukitaoshi in the 1999 Kyushu Basho (for Shoryu's second Basho in Makushita). Maybe he can advise Hakuho on how to beat the Yokozuna...

I'm not sure... He certainly don't remember how he did! And Asa changed a lot since 1999! He is 1000 x stronger today! But Hakuho can have noticed his weakness... If he has one!