Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) Good luck to you Jejima. You have one more chance to not get 'dead-last' in your own tournament! Dead last wins the Bench Wooden Spoon ;-) But as Pandaazuma no longer has any active teams on his rota - he can only win via a penalty shoot-out (and hope that Italy dominates Spain....)! Edited June 29, 2012 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 Bowl Semi Finals Harinezumi (1-1, 1-2 after extra time) Mischashimaru I agree with Chabonowaka's scoring. I think Achiyama was misled by my earlier comment regarding a possible rule change for (E) teams in future tournaments. But after this 'exciting' match, I am rethinking again. Pitinosato 2-0 Rubensan This time I agree with Achiyama. This match is quite tragic for Rubensan.... If it had not had been that goal for Germany in the dying moments of the game, Pitinosato's chain would have been broken on the first slot, due to Germany being his ® team (and Rubensan's chain would not have been broken in the first slot) and Rubensan would have scraped a 1-0 victory). But that goal was scored, and as it was an ® for Pitinosato, it scores him two goals! Bowl final Mischashimaru vs Pitinosato Battle for 11th place Harinezumi vs Rubensan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XiaoTan 93 Posted June 29, 2012 Maybe the double scoring for ® and © teams is something to consider for future tournaments as well - you'll have plenty of draws and 2 goals are almost impossible to catch up on. Given that getting your ® is partially luck, it skews the game a bit in IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 Maybe the double scoring for ® and © teams is something to consider for future tournaments as well - you'll have plenty of draws and 2 goals are almost impossible to catch up on. Given that getting your ® is partially luck, it skews the game a bit in IMO. I strongly disagree. There needs to be 'special teams' in order to force a result. It was a big gamble (and that is the nature of an ® team) to risk it in first slot - had they drawn or lost that half, it would have broken the chain immediately. Also, it rewards players who manage to select (or get via the lottery) an ® team that will make it all the way to the semi-finals. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XiaoTan 93 Posted June 29, 2012 Maybe the double scoring for ® and © teams is something to consider for future tournaments as well - you'll have plenty of draws and 2 goals are almost impossible to catch up on. Given that getting your ® is partially luck, it skews the game a bit in IMO. I strongly disagree. There needs to be 'special teams' in order to force a result. It was a big gamble (and that is the nature of an ® team) to risk it in first slot - had they drawn or lost that half, it would have broken the chain immediately. Also, it rewards players who manage to select (or get via the lottery) an ® team that will make it all the way to the semi-finals. I guess I should read the full rules - as long as a draw breaks the chain it is even indeed. (Blushing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 Plate Semifinals XiaoTan (0-0, 1-1 after extra time) Rannohana Chabonowaka scored it correctly. Penalty shoot-out required..... Just a quick reminder of the rules... (I had to check them myself)... Teams reaching the finals score two penalties (so that would be Spain and Italy), teams that were knocked out in the Semi-Finals score one penalty (Portugal and Germany). Sudden death starts after the third penalties.... XiaoTan ????? Rannohana ????? Okay, I'll toss my Thai coin.... Heads for XiaoTan, Tails for Rannohana.... It's Heads! XiaoTan will take the first kick..... XiaoTan forgot to send a list of penalty takers for the quarter-finals, but he was one of the earliest to send in his list for the semi-finals.... Germany! It's in! XiaoTan O???? Rannohana ????? Rannohana..... Germany too! XiaoTan O???? Rannohana O???? Second kick for XiaoTan.... Spain! Two penalties converted! XiaoTan OOO?? Rannohana O???? Rannohana has..... Spain as well! He quickly pegs XiaoTan back... XiaoTan OOO?? Rannohana OOO?? Okay, back to XiaoTan..... Portugal! It's in! XiaoTan OOOOX Rannohana OOO?? Rannohana.... Portugal.... They are matching each other, penalty for penalty.... XiaoTan OOOOX Rannohana OOOOX Okay, now it is sudden death... XiaoTan.... Italy! (Yes, he correctly predicted all of the semi-finalists). That gives him 2 penalties.... XiaoTan OOOOXOO Rannohana OOOOX? Can Rannohana continue to match him....? Uh oh... It is Ashley Cole stepping up to take the kick.... England! It's a save! XiaoTan OOOOXOO Rannohana OOOOXX Due to the rules, XiaoTan wins the penalty shoot-out 6-4. (For the record, Rannohana had Italy lined up to take his next kick...) Achiyama 1-2 Andonishiki XiaoTan scored it correctly. Note to Achiyama - a draw does not break a chain - unless it is an ® team. Plate final XiaoTan vs Andonishiki Battle for 7th place Rannohana vs Achiyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chabonowaka 2 Posted June 29, 2012 Plate Semifinals XiaoTan (0-0, 1-1 after extra time) Rannohana Chabonowaka scored it correctly. Penalty shoot-out required..... that bit about me being correct, that's rare. i should really send that to my wife, prove that it's even possible. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) Cup Semifinals Jakusotsu vs Asashosakari I disagree with both Andonishiki and Achiyama, so I will do their match in a little more detail (and it is a little complicated).... In normal time... In first slot both have their © teams in 'Extra Time' - but as that 'time slot' was a draw for both, they cancel each other out. (However, with the proposed revised rules for future tournaments, Asashosakari would have scored a goal, as his © team actually played extra time, whereas Jakusotsu's didn't.) Asashosakari (Germany 1st) has his chain broken on 2nd slot. But with a string of Spain draws, Jakusotsu cannot capitalise. Jakusotsu's chain is broken on 5th slot with Germany 1st. So 0-0 in normal time. Extra time starts from the 6th slot onwards.... Jakusotsu scores a goal with Germany 2nd in his 6th! Is this his day? No, because Asashosakari scores immediately in the 7th slot with Germany 2nd too! (Jakusotsu's keeper is finally beaten!) Jakusotsu had Italy 2nd in his 7th slot, so his chain is broken (if only he had put Italy 1st in 7th, instead of 8th... ;-)). Asashosakari has nothing left in the tank, so the score after extra time is 1-1! A penalty shoot-out is required.... Okay, I have the Thai coin. Heads for Jakusotsu, Tails for Asashosakari.... Tails! Asashosakari will take the first penalty.... Asashosakari ????? Jakusotsu ????? Asashosakari has..... Germany! It's in! Asashosakari O???? Jakusotsu ????? Jakusotsu replies with.... Spain! He takes an early one-penalty lead! Asashosakari O???? Jakusotsu OO??? Asashosakari responds with.... Spain! He retakes the lead. Asashosakari OOO?? Jakusotsu OO??? Okay, back to Jakusotsu.... Germany! The scores are level... Asashosakari OOO?? Jakusotsu OOO?? Asashosakari steps up again with Portugal! That is one more for him.... Asashosakari OOOOX Jakusotsu OOO?? Jakusotsu's next kick could win it for him, lose it for him, or take us to sudden death.... It is..... Portugal! Asashosakari OOOOX Jakusotsu OOOOX Okay, sudden death. Asahsoakari has.... Italy! Two penalties! Surely he has won it?! Asashosakari OOOOXOO Jakusotsu OOOOX? Jakusotsu has.... . . . . . . Italy too! (Yes, these two both also correctly predicted all four semifinalists.) Asashosakari OOOOXOO Jakusotsu OOOOXOO Back to level pegging.... Okay, to save time, Asashosakari (France, England, Czech Rep, Greece) and Jakusotsu (England, Czech Rep, Greece, France) both miss their next four penalties.... Asashosakari OOOOXOOXXXX Jakusotsu OOOOXOOXXXX So with all eleven players having taken their initial penalties, we go back to the first kickers again.... Asashosakari has Germany! (No surprise there ;-)) Asashosakari OOOOXOOXXXXO Jakusotsu OOOOXOOXXXX? Fabregas steps up for Jakusotsu.... Spain! It was so well taken, it is worth two penalties... Asashosakari OOOOXOOXXXXO Jakusotsu OOOOXOOXXXXOO Jakusotsu wins the shoot out 8-7 (by virtue of having less faith in his country's football team than his opponent!). Chabonowaka vs Kintamayama I am afraid I disagree (and this bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon is going down rather rapidly, so I might be wrong...) with the referee's result. So this one is done in some detail too.... Chabonowaka makes good use of his Spain © team to score a goal in the first slot. Kintamayama had Germany 1st, so his chain is broken. In the second slot.... Chabonowaka had Germany 1st (L) and Kintamayama had Italy 2nd (L). So Chabonowaka's chain remains unbroken. Chabonowaka scores a 2nd goal with Germany 2nd in 3rd slot! He then scores a third goal with Italy 1st in the 6th slot! But his chain is then broken with Italy 2nd in the 7th slot. So the final score..... Chabonowaka 3-0 Kintamayama Cup Final Jakusotsu vs Chabonowaka - I think (before updating the table) this is the match between the highest scorer of goals (Chabonowaka) against the best goalkeeper (Jakusotsu) for this tournament. Will defence or offence prove decisive? Battle for 3rd place Asashosakari vs Kintamayama (two sumo games behemoths!) Edited June 29, 2012 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 Okay, for the last set of matches, every referee will get one 'trophy' decider, plus a 'consolation' match... So, the referee for the Cup final will also get the 15th vs 16th match (well, there is another trophy here, as the loser will be awarded the 'wooden spoon'), the referee for the Plate final will also get the consolation match for 11th vs 12th... etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achiyama 1,272 Posted June 29, 2012 Obviously, I didn't get the rules and I made consistent errors in scoring, (Feeling guilty...) so I WON'T interfere with other Gyoji's scoring anymore. Sorry, if somebody was offended. (Being thrown tomatoes at...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 Okay, using the random die* at http://www.random.org/dice/, and allocating '1' to Achiyama, '2' to Andonishiki, '3' to chabanowaka and '4' to XiaoTan, let's decide the referees.... First up..... 4 XiaoTan will referee... Battle for 3rd place Asashosakari vs Kintamayama and Saucer Final Doitsuyama vs Kameumi Roll the die... 6! Roll again... 3 chabonowaka will referee... Battle for 7th place Rannohana vs Achiyama and Bowl Final Mischashimaru vs Pitinosato Throw the die! 1 Achiyama will referee.... Battle for 11th place Harinezumi vs Rubensan and Plate Final XiaoTan vs Andonishiki That leaves us with... Andonishiki who will referee.... Wooden Spoon Final Pandaazuma vs Jejima and Cup Final Jakusotsu vs Chabonowaka *The correct singular for 'dice'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) Okay.... Final round rules. XiaoTan made some good points.... which I mostly agree with. But I think, (using XiaoTan's idea as a basis), that I have come up with a good an acceptable solution for the final round. The final match (Spain vs Italy) will be divided into 5 unequal segments. (Why 5? Well, Bench Sumo is based on 10 teams, so if you have both the finalists in your squad, you will have '10 teams'.). Why unequal? There are usually a few minutes of injury time at the end of each half. Plus goals tend to come later rather than earlier in any half. Extra time usually does not happen. Therefore all biases are 'balanced' with more time. The time slots are as follows:- (If a goal is scored in 25 mins 32 seconds, that counts as 1. ... etc. Times will be the official times given in minutes.) 1. 0-25 mins 2. 26-45 mins (including injury time) 3. 46 - 70 mins 4. 71 - 90 mins (including injury time) 5. Extra Time: 91 - 120 mins (including injury time) So, when you send your entry to your referee, please remember to indicate ®, © and (E) teams in first slot. Also please label your prediction using the numbers above. Also ® and © rules only apply for the first slot selected. E.g. Let's pretend Spain is my ® team.... Jejima: 1. Spain 4 ®, Spain 2, Spain 1, Spain 5, Spain 3 Comment: I hope all players will make a comment. At the very least, whether they enjoyed this game (or found it a chore), so will (likely - or not) play again for the (possible) Bench World Cup 2014. Edited June 30, 2012 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 171 Posted June 29, 2012 you really want the worst of all gyoji-tachi to judge the final ? and even more valuable, the ultimate fight for the wooden spoon ? well, the master rijicho has called, so I will follow his orders. (deep bow) holy cr@p, I need a strong Cabernet Sauvignon, Shiraz & Merlot blend now ;)) why not go for www.4gwines.com (the best red, ever produced in Africa) ...hope a little bit of hidden advertisement is ok in this forum.... it's really worth a try ! Jogi raus ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 Just to confirm, for any possible penalty takers for the final round..... Portugal came 3rd (they lost on penalties) and Germany came 4th (they lost in normal time). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 29, 2012 Okay - it is now 1:20 am here in Hong Kong. My bottle of red is finished. I am more than ready for bed. Updated results for the Outstanding Performance / Golden Boot will have to wait a day ;-) I hope no one is too dissatisfied :-). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,360 Posted June 29, 2012 Cup Final Jakusotsu vs Chabonowaka - I think (before updating the table) this is the match between the highest scorer of goals (Chabonowaka) against the best goalkeeper (Jakusotsu) for this tournament. Will defence or offence prove decisive? Battle for 3rd place Asashosakari vs Kintamayama (two sumo games behemoths!) Just so you know, Chabonowaka is also in the final of the Bench Sumo rule version. Well done!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,402 Posted June 29, 2012 Jakusotsu had Italy 2nd in his 7th slot, so his chain is broken (if only he had put Italy 1st in 7th, instead of 8th... ;-)). If only I had put Germany 2nd in 5th instead of 6th... ;-) Phew, what a match. Are you exhausted too, Asashosakari-zeki? Ah, and Jezz: cheers for giving me my lucky gyoji again in the finals B-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted June 29, 2012 I think I understand how to send my finals picks to Achiyama. Do I need to send penalties again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achiyama 1,272 Posted June 29, 2012 I think I understand how to send my finals picks to Achiyama. Do I need to send penalties again? Harinezumi, I sent you a personal message regarding your squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chabonowaka 2 Posted June 29, 2012 Obviously, I didn't get the rules and I made consistent errors in scoring, (Feeling guilty...) so I WON'T interfere with other Gyoji's scoring anymore. Sorry, if somebody was offended. (Being thrown tomatoes at...) i certainly don't mind your gyoji-ing. actually, thanks for putting another set of eyes on the matches. i think your help changed the score of one of the earlier rounds i mis-gyoji'd, so i don't mind if you put another set of eyes on the matches i'm doing at the end, too. definitely no offense taken here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chabonowaka 2 Posted June 29, 2012 Cup Final Jakusotsu vs Chabonowaka - I think (before updating the table) this is the match between the highest scorer of goals (Chabonowaka) against the best goalkeeper (Jakusotsu) for this tournament. Will defence or offence prove decisive? Battle for 3rd place Asashosakari vs Kintamayama (two sumo games behemoths!) Just so you know, Chabonowaka is also in the final of the Bench Sumo rule version. Well done!! thank you, sir! but i think it's more like well-lucked, than well done. this all hearkens back to something you said about the euro championships being a crap shoot. (also, you said something about italy winning it all, if i recall.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 30, 2012 Do I need to send penalties again? No. Penalty takers for the finals were sent in before the start of the semifinal matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 30, 2012 Semifinal results in a nice table format.... Winners highlighted. Competition Home Team Score Away Team Cup Jakusotsu (Poland) 0-0, 1-1 E.T. pen 8-7 Asashosakari (Croatia) Cup Chabonowaka (Denmark) 3-0 Kintamayama (Italy) Plate XiaoTan (Netherlands) 0-0, 1-1 E.T. pen 6-4 Rannohana (Ukraine) Plate Achiyama (Greece) 1-2 Andonishiki (France) Bowl Harinezumi (Czech Rep) 1-1, 1-2 E.T. Mischashimaru (Sweden) Bowl Pitinosato (Germany) 2-0 Rubensan (Spain) Saucer Pandaazuma (Portugal) 0-1 Doitsuyama (Ireland) Saucer Kameumi (Russia) 1-0 Jejima (England) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) Outstanding Performance / Golden Boot Award update After Semifinal matches (Goals scored in extra time count, penalty shoot-out goals do not count) Position Change Player Goals For Goals Against Goal Difference 1 0 Chabonowaka 10 2 +8 2 +1 Mischashimaru 8 6 +2 3 -1 Asashosakari 7 2 +5 4 0 Jakusotsu 6 1 +5 5 +2 Pitinosato 6 3 +3 6 +2 Andonishiki 6 5 +1 7 -2 Harinezumi 6 7 -1 8 0 Rannohana 5 5 0 9 +1 Achiyama 5 7 -2 =10 +1 Doitsuyama 5 8 -3 =10 +1 Kameumi 5 8 -3 12 -6 Kintamayama 4 4 0 13 +1 XiaoTan 3 6 -3 14 -1 Rubensan 3 7 -4 =15 -1 Jejima 2 6 -4 =15 -1 Pandaazuma 2 6 -4 Chabonowaka now has a healthy lead. Jakusotsu continues to leads the Golden Gloves award (despite finally having his goalkeeper beaten). Edited June 30, 2012 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,498 Posted June 30, 2012 Drone rules for the final match.... Hopefully nobody will drone, but just in case.... If the drone has no teams left - then that is easy (but such players are still requested to make 'an entry', even though it is just a comment,) - you can figure out the line-up for yourself ;-) If the drone only has one team left in his squad (either Italy or Spain), then the line-up is done in the order of time: e.g. Drone: 1. Spain 1, 2. Spain 2, 3. Spain 3, 4. Spain 4, 5. Spain 5 If the drone has both teams (so Italy and Spain), then check to see which of these teams featured earlier in any format (1st, 2nd or ET) in their semifinal line-ups. Let's say it was Spain. Then arrange the line-up as follows:- Drone: 1. Spain 1, 2. Spain 2, 3. Spain 3, 4. Spain 4, 5. Spain 5, 6. Italy 1, 7. Italy 2, 8. Italy 3, 9. Italy 4, 10. Italy 5 I hope this is clear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
