Who knows this kesho mawashi?

[Gernobono 467]

in a bashoprogram i came across a kesho mawashi which shows a sign designed to promote austrian products by the austrian economic chamber (i have this name from their internetside) ...it is a big "A" for austria.....the rikishi wearing this kesho is sadanoumi.....i am not sure but i think i saw this one or a similar one on another rikishi not too long ago....does anyone have an idea who could be the sekitori i mean? (not sadanoumi, but more recently)

here is the picture

maybe the words at the bottom of the kesho mawasho give a hint where to look for....

i can read the katakana, but not the kanji....can anyone help me there?

Edited December 17, 2003 by Gernobono

[Fujisan 533]

I recognise the Mawashi from my C4 book of sumo which was published in 1988/9,would it be Sadanoumi? It looks like the same Rikishi.

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

maybe the words at the bottom of the kesho mawasho give a hint where to look for....

i can read the katakana, but not the kanji....can anyone help me there?

The writing is: オーストリヤ通商代表部 or "Ōsutoriya Tsūshōdaihyōbu" which means "Austrian Commercial Agency", so this doesn't look like it is really helpful, since this is just stating the sponsor of the mawashi as is custom. Btw, Ōsutoriya does look a slightly bit curious to me as Austria (no, not what you might think...). I learnt it to be Ōsutoria, but then again, there are no really fixed rules for writing foreign words in Katakana.

[Gernobono 467]

@fujisan

thanks for the hint...i found the picture in den C4-Book....but the rikishi there also is sadanoumi

@doitsuyama

thanks, i was hoping that it names a company which gave this keshomawashi...

btw: i never saw oosutoria written with a "-ya" at the end...

Edited December 18, 2003 by Gernobono

[Fujisan 533]

I thought it was but there was no identification to go with the picture-Can anyone post the picture here? I would be interested in putting names to the other rikishi in the picture.

[Gernobono 467]

I thought it was but there was no identification to go with the picture-Can anyone post the picture here? I would be interested in putting names to the other rikishi in the picture.

here it comes....

happy guessing

[Fujisan 533]

Thanks Gerno-So how about it can anyone put names to the other 3 rikishi in this picture with Sadanoumi?

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Thanks Gerno-So how about it can anyone put names to the other 3 rikishi in this picture with Sadanoumi?

Hm. This is NOT easy, even taking to old pictures. The second one from the left is Daijuyama, or so I think. The one on the left COULD be Kirinji, but am not at all sure about that.

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Is that Mitoizumi in the background? That kesho rings some bell in me.

[Gernobono 467]

the remark with mitoizumi brought up the idea to compare thes keshomawashi (should have thought of that myself)...

the research shows that the rikishi left of sadanoumi (from our viewpoint) is fujinokawa then daijuyama (yubi got that right)

i could not find the most left one...i tried to compare banzuke where those 3 guys were in the same division ....fujinokawa was the one with least appearances as sekitori but i failed....

so the one on the left of the picture still is anonymous...

kotoseiyas bells rang perfectly tuned....the one in the background is mitoizumi...at least it is his keshomawashi :-D

[Fujisan 533]

Thats great,thanks guys-

If we can I would like to have a go at another picture from the book on page 43-how about it Gernobono?

[Fujisan 533]

Whoops just realised its on a different page in the original edition-The picture Im referring is the one above the Onokuni picture(page 47).

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

so the one on the left of the picture still is anonymous...

Well, the more I see the picture, the more sure I am it is Kirinji. It's a pity it's so hard to verify.

Anyway, there should be no doubt the guy in the back IS Mitoizumi. He probably liked that kesho for whatever reason though, since he had it often even when coming up to retirement.

[Asashosakari 20,223]

the research shows that the rikishi left of sadanoumi (from our viewpoint) is fujinokawa then daijuyama (yubi got that right)

i could not find the most left one...i tried to compare banzuke where those 3 guys were in the same division ....fujinokawa was the one with least appearances as sekitori but i failed....

I think it's Aki 1986 - M9w Sadanoumi, M8w Fujinokawa, M7w Daijuyama. They were similarly close (and in the same order) in Nagoya 1986, but much higher on the banzuke, which wouldn't seem to fit with their position on the dohyo during the dohyo-iri.

Anyway, Kirinji was M6w during Aki 1986, so while it's not guaranteed, I suppose it's at least very likely that he is the rikishi to the left of Daijuyama.

[Fujisan 533]

That makes perfect sense,nicely worked out Asasho-

[Mark Buckton 1]

On the original question up top - nothing I found in a pair of Japanese books on the subject / photos of lots etc.

However, for those into quizzes / research etc 2 questions:

Which sekitori have, in the past worn kesho mawashi featuring

a. Paramount Pictures (written in English)

b. A penguin one.

Just one hint - both are now dead.

ANR (Enjoying a beer...)

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Well... just guessing. Kenko & Daishoho unless this is about less recent men.

[Mark Buckton 1]

Well... just guessing. Kenko & Daishoho unless this is about less recent men.

Sorry - much less recent. Answer soon so final guesses? (Enjoying a beer...)

ANR

[Asashosakari 20,223]

Answer to the first one, courtesy of the ML archives...Oshio? (The 1930's one, not the frequent Makuuchi promotee from the 70s/80s.)

[Mark Buckton 1]

Answer to the first one, courtesy of the ML archives...Oshio? (The 1930's one, not the frequent Makuuchi promotee from the 70s/80s.)

Excellent Asa-san, and the second? :-D (Holiday feeling...)

(similar early Showa period)

ANR

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Answer to the first one, courtesy of the ML archives...Oshio? (The 1930's one, not the frequent Makuuchi promotee from the 70s/80s.)

Excellent Asa-san, and the second? :-D (Holiday feeling...)

(similar early Showa period)

ANR

This quiz is WAY above the usual difficulty level of sumo quizzes (Ranting...)

Anyway, stubborn as I am, I tried to find the answer to this one, and I actually DID find someone with a penguin kesho, ex-M04 Ichiminato, but unfortunately he doesn't fill your other criteria (he retired 1921)... (Laughing...)

Edited December 29, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama

[Mark Buckton 1]

Answer to the first one, courtesy of the ML archives...Oshio? (The 1930's one, not the frequent Makuuchi promotee from the 70s/80s.)

Excellent Asa-san, and the second? (Ranting...) (Punk rocker...)

(similar early Showa period)

ANR

This quiz is WAY above the usual difficulty level of sumo quizzes :-D

Anyway, stubborn as I am, I tried to find the answer to this one, and I actually DID find someone with a penguin kesho, ex-M04 Ichiminato, but unfortunately he doesn't fill your other criteria (he retired 1921)... (Eh?)

Yubi-san,

(and all others reading this of course)

The answer I have is former komusubi Shikainami who retire in Taisho 6 (Hatsu) making me daft because I was looking at his date of death and mistakenly referred to that in the post above.

ANR (Blushing...)

whose next similar question will be easier!

Also, Ichiminato's kesho is the same one as Shikainami - a hand me down perhaps? Don't mean similar - I mean the same when looking at pictures of both and the fact that when the komusubi retired, the very same basho was the M04's first at the top level.

Coincidence?

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

I'm impressed by the quality of your reference material, messieurs Yubi & Adachi. Perhaps I should invest in some sumo literature.

[Mark Buckton 1]

I'm impressed by the quality of your reference material, messieurs Yubi & Adachi. Perhaps I should invest in some sumo literature.

Library books Koto-san,

and all in Japanese, admittedly my local library rarely get to see them but hey, they know my phone number if someone else wants the books.

ANR (Punk rocker...)

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Guess how many sumo books there are in my local town library? (Answer: one badly outdated... (Joel Sackett's Rikishi: The Men of Sumo)) Now, let's see... Amazon of Japan... Overly complicated. I'll go there to buy them physically. (Punk rocker...)