Wakanoho

[Jonosuke 28]

Despite how long he has been already in Ozumo, Wakanoho really does not appear to understand the nature of transgression.

It isn't so much about damaging doors and other things in the bath. It is about his violent emotional outburst after his loss. It's unfortunate that Futabayama's book is not available in Russian.

His lack of understanding Japanese and sumo manners are rather glaringly obvious at this point. He basicaly excused himself by saying everyone would do it in the heat of combat so all he has to do is the next time to bring dishes to break them.

It has not been exactly a vintage basho for Magaki oyakata. I hope his health won't suffer again as I am really fond of him and he is trully a good man.

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj 0]

Asashosakari -

You also will be such impressive if anyone stolen yours victory.

I think your word "stolen" is not in right place. Ama earned the victory by amazing "tongoroo". utchari ?

I would use your word in following case.

Kak's victory was stolen by Wakanoho on the day 5.

The day 5 Wakanohou win was controversial, it was mentioned elsewhere, and many a protest phone was ringing in the Kyokai offices. Did his hand touch the sand, and was it planned? Should he be banned, or take a stand?

Here is a picture, on demand:

Edited May 19, 2008 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Ossetian Yokozuna 1]

Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj -

Relaks.

It was kined of joke.

( When you attack and lose you can say always - "My victory was stolen" - "HITLER".

Pardon me for metioning his name. )

My respect to all Nippon and Mongoru fans.

But, ossetians go.

They are coming.

It will be great war.

[Gusoyama 105]

People don't pay up to 10,000 Yen to come to an event and not watch. One can surely find more redeeming use of time and money.

Come to Boston, and go to a Red Sox Game, where you will find people who paid over twice that, and are a)drunk, b)constantly chatting on a cell phone, c)paying more attention to their date/client/boss/whatever than the game, or d)all of the above.

Sorry for the :-)

[Jonosuke 28]

Aside from getting drunk and getting unconscious, the other two are well worthwhile endeavours at the Kokugikan.

I had someone call me long distance to me in the middle of night (in my time) from the Kokugikan one time to tell me he was there. And if you are lucky enough to have a date who loves sumo, then obviously all the better as you can see sumo bouts 90 days of the year but you may only get one chance to impress her right at that moment.

I've been to Fenway and if one could do it, there is nothing more redeeming in life than spending your time and money there, regardless of whatever else you are doing there. Being there is simply enough just like being in the Kokugikan is often enough for some.

[Azumashida 1]

;-) a little - and perhaps something similar exists - but I was thinking that wouldn't it be nice if there could be a place where all the kimarites could be viewed with descriptions and videos of classic examples.

Here is a place, on the "site francais du sumo". You can't see all kimarite there, but quite a few are illustrated by recent bouts (mostly from Dale's sumo movies).

[ilovesumo 12]

His lack of understanding Japanese and sumo manners are rather glaringly obvious at this point. He basicaly excused himself by saying everyone would do it in the heat of combat so all he has to do is the next time to bring dishes to break them.

I think the problem is that Waka believes those outbursts make him a tough guy...

Edited May 20, 2008 by ilovesumo

[sekihiryu 51]

Disclaimer this post is tongue in cheek - its a light hearted joke......(Kensho parade...)

Question what the difference between these two chaps?

well one is a Russian fairy renowned for stunning aerial manoeuvres.......the other was well hung Russian ballet dancer ;-)

[Ossetian Yokozuna 1]

sekihiryu -

Do you want to know the difference between them?

Ok.

The first is OSSETIAN.

The second is TATARIAN.

No one of them are RUSSIANS.

Edited May 20, 2008 by Ossetian Yokozuna

[Mark Buckton 1]

His lack of understanding Japanese and sumo manners are rather glaringly obvious at this point. He basicaly excused himself by saying everyone would do it in the heat of combat so all he has to do is the next time to bring dishes to break them.

I think the problem is that Waka believes those outbursts make him a tough guy...

(In a state of confusion...) why do you think so?

[Harry 67]

Sorry if this is a dupe but his tirade made it to English news, Reuters in fact: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080519/od_nm/sumo_tantrum_dc

[ilovesumo 12]

You know, yesterday, an old japanese gramps, totally drunk, was insulting mongolians yokozuna before they fight. The guy was the seat next to mine... He was saying "baka mongoru ! makero !" before each yokozuna bouts... So about Ama's fight, it's not surprising me, 'cause maybe there are lots of people like the guy I had near from me... ? (In a state of confusion...)

Happened all the time when I was there...shocking, hum?

Those tourists without any knowledge of the language go back home much happier...

[Mark Buckton 1]

Sorry if this is a dupe but his tirade made it to English news, Reuters in fact: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080519/od_nm/sumo_tantrum_dc

don't recall any wooden shelves in the bathroom area? Showers and bath to the right, toilets to the left in the shitaku-beya facilities. Shelves?

[Harry 67]

Sorry if this is a dupe but his tirade made it to English news, Reuters in fact: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080519/od_nm/sumo_tantrum_dc

don't recall any wooden shelves in the bathroom area? Showers and bath to the right, toilets to the left in the shitaku-beya facilities. Shelves?

Perhaps lost in translation but he broke some dishes, didn't he? Were the dishes on a shelf? Do they keep dishies in a todana 戸棚? Perhaps they meant to say a cupboard? A shokidana? A shokitodana?

Edited May 20, 2008 by Harry

[Mark Buckton 1]

You know, yesterday, an old japanese gramps, totally drunk, was insulting mongolians yokozuna before they fight. The guy was the seat next to mine... He was saying "baka mongoru ! makero !" before each yokozuna bouts... So about Ama's fight, it's not surprising me, 'cause maybe there are lots of people like the guy I had near from me... ? (In a state of confusion...)

Happened all the time when I was there...shocking, hum?

Frankly I cannot believe this is anything more than the proverbial porky pie. Given that you spoke almost no Japanese when here - ..................???? How did you understand them? There are always one or two that don't like the foreign rikishi, but to be seated beside or near them 'all the time' in a stadium that seats just over 11,000 (Sign of disapproval...) you must have been REALLY unlucky.

You are German but we wouldn't label all Germans based on the one time I was stopped in London with (exact language used in one case) ''Stop. Where is Buckingham Palace?'' - no excuse me, no, can I ask you a question - just a pair of 6 foot 5 lads saying ''stop'' and gesturing like a policeman - palm of the hand pointed towards me.

I know 99.99% of German guys and gals would never speak like this - I was just unlucky - and I can tell you that 99.99% of Japanese would never speak like that - regardless of what they actually think in their hearts.

[Kuroyama 715]

You know, yesterday, an old japanese gramps, totally drunk, was insulting mongolians yokozuna before they fight. The guy was the seat next to mine... He was saying "baka mongoru ! makero !" before each yokozuna bouts... So about Ama's fight, it's not surprising me, 'cause maybe there are lots of people like the guy I had near from me... ? (In a state of confusion...)

Happened all the time when I was there...shocking, hum?

Frankly I cannot believe this is anything more than the proverbial porky pie. Given that you spoke almost no Japanese when here - ..................???? How did you understand them?

I have no Japanese at all to speak of, and I understood that perfectly. In fact, I know so little Japanese that the few words I do understand jump right out when I hear them. Which is how I knew what a bad boy Wakanoho was the other day.

Let's get real. There are certainly far more than "one or two" in the 11,000-strong crowd who don't like foreign rikishi. Even if it's only 1 in 10 or 20, chances are you'd always be within spitting distance of at least one of them.

[Kintamayama 47,296]

Perhaps lost in translation but he broke some dishes, didn't he? Were the dishes on a shelf? Do they keep dishies in a todana 戸棚? Perhaps they meant to say a cupboard? A shokidana? A shokitodana?

No he didn't. He said , in a colorful way, that when he's pissed off, he should break some dishes, and added that maybe next time he'll bring some with him and break them instead of taking it out on the wall.

[That-Satsu-Guy 1]

Perhaps lost in translation but he broke some dishes, didn't he? Were the dishes on a shelf? Do they keep dishies in a todana 戸棚? Perhaps they meant to say a cupboard? A shokidana? A shokitodana?

No he didn't. He said , in a colorful way, that when he's pissed off, he should break some dishes, and added that maybe next time he'll bring some with him and break them instead of taking it out on the wall.

Maybe instead of dishes he could bring his teddy bear, and punch it in the face whenever he loses.

Voila! Anger management with no messy clean-up!

Edited May 21, 2008 by That-Satsu-Guy

[yamaneko 2]

Kachikoshi again for our boy ( "Our" as in ossetian yokozuna, nishinoshima, and myself) Quite impressive resume now as 20 bashos with only one makekoshi. Only other sekitori close would be tochinoshin who just heat the wall this basho in his 13, for his first makekoshi.

Wakanoho at M1e next basho? If not for his last second loss by utchari to ama, we could have been looking at komosubi for him, which would have probably caused an uproar here on the board.

[Azumashida 1]

Wakanoho at M1e next basho?

With Aminishiki's 10th win, I'd say M1w is more likely...

[Azumashida 1]

Wakanoho at M1e next basho?

With Aminishiki's 10th win, I'd say M1w is more likely...

And now with Kisenosato's 10th win (likely promotion to sekiwake, possibly alongside the two current ones), M1e becomes more likely again... (Sigh...)

Edit: scenario confirmed after Shogun's hard-fought yotsu win...

Edited May 25, 2008 by Azumaryu

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

Wakanoho at M1e next basho?

With Aminishiki's 10th win, I'd say M1w is more likely...

And now with Kisenosato's 10th win (likely promotion to sekiwake, possibly alongside the two current ones), M1e becomes more likely again... (Sigh...)

Edit: scenario confirmed after Shogun's hard-fought yotsu win...

A promotion to sekiwake is actually not likely for Kisenosato. 11 wins are the mark to create an extra sekiwake slot, just look at Ama in Aki and several more examples. Natsu 1993 was the last time with an extra sekiwake slot for a 10-5 komusubi.

[Azumashida 1]

A promotion to sekiwake is actually not likely for Kisenosato. 11 wins are the mark to create an extra sekiwake slot, just look at Ama in Aki and several more examples. Natsu 1993 was the last time with an extra sekiwake slot for a 10-5 komusubi.

Thanks for the info, it was my feeling that they don't give those extra sekiwake slots easily, but I thought 10-5 just about made it, especially at K1e. In Kisenosato's case, I feel that it may be more likely than usual that they do, given his track record of 5 kachi-koshi at komusubi without being ever promoted to sekiwake. Probably worth a thread of its own...

So, to get back on topic, most likely M1w for Wakanoho...