Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 7, 2003 I will complete a thoroughal analysis on Asashoryu vs other sanyaku rikishi before Haru basho starts. This is the first part featuring some analysis on Asashoryu against Maru and Kaio. Any comments are welcomed and if you have opposing views PLEASE share them! :-) Asashoryu-Musashimaru 4-5 01 Haru 11 Lost Okuritaoshi Strange strange hold by Maru after an ineffective tsuki-attack by Shoryu. 01 Natsu 1 Won Shitatenage Shoryu worked his way to morozashi by performing his usual move; grapping foe's wrist with his right hand and turning it aside using the opened space to get superb grip. Once Maru bulldozed forward with a very shallow semi-kime hold Shoryu planted his supporting leg firmly on the dohyo and used Maru's momentum to topple him with great shitatenage. 01 Nagoya 1 Lost Yorikiri Largely similar move by Shoryu grapping Maru's wrist/arm and turning it aside brough Shoryu a good grip but this time Maru had more leverage with his right arm and used his power to pivot Shoryu around and continued the pressure until Shoryu fell off the dohyo. 01 Aki 6 Won Ashitori Maru was in poor shape this basho giving 5 or more kinboshi. Asashoryu dived low and under, grapped Maru's thigh and stormed forward making Maru look horrible. 01 Kyushu 12 Lost Kotenage Again the same move by Shoryu. After one major face thrust Shoryu got left hand inside and then tried the usual grapping of Maru's wrist and swinging it aside. It worked pretty well once again but MAru's counter attack to this is to pivot Asa around and dispatch him with kotenage of authority and attitude. 02 Haru 11 Won Katasukashi This was Shoryu at his best. Huge harite without an effect. Maru shoved Shoryu back but the man is quick! Great footwork and avoiding Maru's deadly pushes and finally jumping aside, taking a katasukashi grip and pulling Maru down. Speed! 02 Natsu 12 Lost Yorikiri SHoryu tried a rerun of his ashitori trick in Aki basho. Maru was alert this time and caught Shoryu in the act and powered him out easily. 02 Nagoya 14 Won Oshidashi Once again the opening harite + left hand inside and trying that wrist grap. Maru was in bad shape at this phase due to painful neck and was clumsy enough to let Shoryu back up and move aside after which he easily ousted Maru. 02 Aki 12 Lost Kotenage Shoryu got morozashi AGAIN against Maru after very familiar opening tussles of the bout. Maru had his kime and once again pivoted around and sent Shoryu crashing down. Analysis: It is very common that Shoryu gets left hand inside against Maru. Then he tries to work his right hand inside too. If this works Maru gets kime-hold or if the move works partly Maru gets kote-hold. From this position Maru is usually too strong for Shoryu if he has a tight hold but he does get himself in rather awkward position. If the bout is open, Shoryu's speed is up against Maru's strength. Shoryu can't push Maru back so the key elements are whether he can outmaneuver Maru and get behind or slap/pull Maru down. Interesting is that Maru never establishes a good mawashi-grip against Shoryu! Never has happened so far and Shoryu's tactics seem to concentrate on not letting that evert happen either. Maru finds it easy to stay awake against Shoryu so assuming Maru's wrist won't cripple his sumo he should humble the new yokozuna many many times. Asashoryu-Kaio 4-4 01 Natsu 4 Won Shitatenage Kaio's 1st back problem basho. Shoryu opened up with vast amount of face thrusts while Kaio walked forward. He got inside and kept his low centre of gravity down while forcing Kaio into a desperate kotenage attempt. It took some time to fell Kaio but finally he managed to do that. Kaio withdrew few days later. 01 Nagoya 6 Lost Yorikiri Kaio absorbed some harite and tsuki while grapping Shoryu's elbow. Powered Shoryu into a package and walked him out. Didn't give room to Shoryu to move much. 01 Aki 2 Won Yorikiri Kaio's second back problem basho (0-4-11). Immediate deep morozashi by Shoryu followed by yorikiri against upright Kaio. 01 Kyushu 7 Lost Kotenage Strong tachi-ai by Kaio drove Shoryu backwards. Shoryu tried the same arm grapping as he does against Maru but without success. Kaio threw him with kotenage as Shoryu tried a defensive throw. 02 Hatsu 12 Won Sukuinage Harite-tsuppari start by Asashoryu but Kaio once again just walked forward ignoring. Close to tawara Shoryu was able to avoid Kaio's push and got his left hand to Kaio's back and shifted aside letting Kaio fall. 02 Haru 4 Lost Oshidashi Same story. Shoryu came up with tsuppari and harite but Kaio bulldozed forward this time moving sharply not letting Shoryu any chance of mobility tricks. Easy win for Kaio. 02 Natsu 6 Won Shitatenage This time Shoryu went for belt. Kaio went forward and Shoryu squirmed away. Another try during which Shoryu performed a classic grip change getting inside, dropping his hips and leaving Kaio at high desperate kotenage-position. Very good bout by Asashoryu. 02 Aki 9 Lost Okuridashi Asashoryu opened up with major tsuki but Kaio's Toki/Taikai destroying arm swinging move was too much for Shoryu too turning him around and to okuridashi loss. Analysis: When Kaio wins Shoryu, he wins with authority not leaving much chance to him. The standard flow of the bout is that Kaio goes forward (Aki 2001 is not counted since Kaio would have lost every bout not being able to fight) and Shoryu tries to find a way to alter the tangent of the move or to get a superior grip. Harite-tsuppari approach has been largely ineffective and the best chance for Shoryu to beat Kaio is to get inside deep and not letting Kaio grap the mawashi. When successful Kaio drifts to desperate high kotenage position which is not a position to fight Shoryu who goes for low shitatenage or leg graps. To be continued with: Asashoryu-Chiyotaikai Asashoryu-Tochiazuma Asashoryu-Musoyama Asashoryu-Kotomitsuki Asashoryu-Wakanosato Asashoryu-Tochinonada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted February 7, 2003 Ah. History schmistory. Shoryu'll dominate Maru and Kaio EASILY if they EVER come back :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted February 8, 2003 This is great stuff. I always enjoy such detailed analysis. Keep up the good work Kaikitsune-zeki! I look forward to the future reports. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted February 8, 2003 Ah. History schmistory. Shoryu'll dominate Maru and Kaio EASILY if they EVER come back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted February 8, 2003 Hmmm,that is interesting,I dont know why but I didnt realise Asa had beaten Maru that many times,should be some interesting battles between them in the future hopefully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokimori 0 Posted February 8, 2003 Great analysis! More of this! :-9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oshirokita 198 Posted February 8, 2003 Excellent info! I really like your commentary and kimarite analyses too. I think it is apparent that Asashoryu will be a dominant yokozuna. Musashimaru is potentially his toughest opponent (when he keeps his balance) IMO. One of my favourite statistics is comparing a rikishi's win-loss record against each opponent's rank. For Asashoryu, his record is as follows: v. OPPONENT W-L(Career) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 9, 2003 Ozeki 21-16 [11- 4] Stripping this down for last 6 bashos, following stats emerge: 11-4 consists of: 1-2 Kaio 2-1 Tochiazuma 3-1 Chiyotaikai 5-0(!!) Musoyama More detailed analysis of the nature of the bouts and Shoryu's success against Musoyama will come soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 9, 2003 Maru finds it easy tostay awake against Shoryu so assuming Maru's wrist won't cripple his sumo he should humble the new yokozuna many many times. Very interesting analysis, but I don't agree with the conclusion ;) I think a couple of things have happened over time in their meetings: - Asa gaining strength - Asa gaining confidence - Musa not looking likely to be 100% healthy again Musa has pride and is the senior yokozuna. I think from now on it'll be 67-33 in Asa favor, winning 2 out of 3 times ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted February 9, 2003 Maru finds it easy to stay awake against Shoryu so assuming Maru's wrist won't cripple his sumo he should humble the new yokozuna many many times. Very interesting analysis, but I don't agree with the conclusion ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hashira 0 Posted February 11, 2003 are these kind of statistcs available anywhere on the net for other rikishi, so we can compare asasho to the other recent yokozuna, aka takanohana? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 11, 2003 Asashoryu-Chiyotaikai 5-3 01 Natsu 5 Won Yoritaoshi Chiyotaikai came out pretty well but missed Shoryu's face which enabled Shoryu to get a morozashi. Taikai's sumo was killed and yoritaoshi by Asashoryu after some wriggling from Taikai was decisive. What Shoryu did was to take Taikai's charge while pressing his hands against his chest, then a rapid low grasp with both arms which interfered perfectly Taikai's push. 01 Nagoya 3 Lost Oshidashi Same thrill. Taikai comes out and Shoryu is waiting for him with both hands half streched and a little Shoryu's characteristical knees bent posture . This time Taikai fights through and dominates Shoryu in tsuki-battle. 01 Aki 3 Won Hikiotoshi Shoryu welcomes Taikai with two hands on the throat followed by a fast yank down. 02 Hatsu 2 Lost Oshidashi Well it is easy to describe these bouts heh. Taikai came out while Shoryu was in familiar reception posture. Shoryu tried a little slap down again but wasn't effective and Taikai bulldozed him out with speed. 02 Haru 8 Won Ketaguri Shoryu performed a perfect ketaguri at the tachi-ai. Taikai's right foot was just about to take a step forward when Shoryu kicked it hard with success as a fruit of brilliant timing. Taikai had a "Wait until next time"-look on his face when he bowed out. 02 Natsu 15 Won Oshidashi Taikai's tachi-ai was as unsyncronized as one can imagine. Shoryu's usual reception was enough to divert shaky Taikai into plummeting mode. Horrible bout from Taikai. 02 Nagoya 13 Lost Oshitaoshi Even tachi-ai this time neither giving any centimetres away. Taikai then did a little pull down which got SHoryu slightly off balance. Taikai followed with a tsuki-attack making Shoryu collapse while he himself jumped down off the dohyo and looked like a big mean cannonball in the process. 02 Aki 10 Won Oshidashi Taikai's tachi-ai had all the tools of being one of the most devastating ones in the history of sumo but to his missfortune Shoryu was skillful and shifted just a little bit causing Taikai miss the target fully and lose all momentum and position. Shoryu finished confused Taikai with ease. Analysis: Basically Asashoryu's strength against Taikai is definitely his skill in reading Taikai's tachi-ai. Three of his 5 wins over Taikai were direct consequence of brilliant tachi-ai. The other side is that when Taikai survives the tachi-ai, and by surviving I mean not failing to hit Shoryu or fall for tricks, the bout favours Taikai a lot. Bouts have been very short or short always Aki 2002 excluded which had a bit more wrestling. Asashoryu can't go for tsuki battle against Taikai as he loses that. Then again Taikai can't afford to miss the target at the tachi-ai as Shoryu is capable of closing the distance immediately (imagine pushing someone's face/upper chest and missing it, not that difficult for the opponent to close up, in this Shoryu is VERY skillful) and hence not giving Taikai room for withdrawing his arms to start another attack with enough leverage for his upper body muscles to work on. When Taikai has the stance good after tachi-ai he won't let anybody to his belt and then Shoryu is in big trouble. All 3 Taikai wins were one-sided. Their bouts should be very fast to one way or the other in the future too. My personal prediction would be 50-50 but I consulted a Shoryu-fan to get some objectiveness and his prediction was 60-40 to Shoryu in the future.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 12, 2003 Asashoryu-Chiyotaikai I love these battles. I haven't done an in depth analysis like you, but from the gut I would give Chiyotaikai a 50% chance of beating Asa on average. That's probably as high as anyone, including Musashimaru and Kaio. Even tachi-ai this time neither giving any centimetres away. Taikai thendid a little pull down which got SHoryu slightly off balance. Taikai followed with a tsuki-attack making Shoryu collapse while he himself jumped down off the dohyo and looked like a big mean cannonball in the process. Great fight. I remember this one. Impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 15, 2003 Asashoryu-Tochiazuma 4-4 01 Natsu 6 Lost Yoritaoshi Long even bout where Shoryu attacked with tsuki, Azuma forced the bout onto belt and after short yotsu-battle, Shoryu tried sotogake which Azuma blocked and once the bout drifted near the edge Azuma was stronger in turning Shoryu onto tawara and out. Good exciting bout. 16 seconds 01 Nagoya 4 Won Tsukidashi Shoryu came out with massive tsuki attack never letting Azuma to get in offensive. Azuma absorbed the streched thrusts but then got a big one straight onto his mouth which knocked couple of his teeth and made him blunder backwards near the edge. Shoryu unmeekly rushed to him and delivered some more vicious blows making Azuma fall. Azuma took a bit time to get up and call the dentist. Furious bout! 10 seconds. 01 Aki 7 Won Tsukiotoshi Yotsu-bout immediately, then both lean strongly forward without any belt grip. Shoryu tries a swift move to side which Azuma easily sees and stays in front of Shoryu gaining ground little by little forcing Shoryu into defensive mode now in tsuki-battle. Close to the tawara Azuma misses one push, then misses another one and tawara circling Shoryu gets the close win! 16 seconds. 01 Kyushu 4 Lost Oshidashi This bout had more than 100 separate defensive and offensive moves! In a nutshell it was an arm fencing tsuki bout spiced up with some slap down attempts, hikkake attempt, leg trip attempt but all the time Azuma was adamantly stable not giving up room and finally Shoryu found himself at the edge and out. 15 seconds. 02 Hatsu 4 Lost Uwatedashinage The famous bloody bout where Shoryu slapped Azuma multiple times in a MAJOR arm fencing bout. Tremendous tsuki by Shoryu, Azuma wasn't able to do much else than absorb and maintain his balance. Finally he interrupted the onslaught destabilizing Shoryu after which the bout calmed down and went into leaning mode before gyoji stopped the bout because Azuma was bleeding a lot from his nose. After a longish nose wiping, cotton into nose putting and bout ending posture redetermining by gyoji and shimpan, the bout was restarted. Bout goes to belt with Azuma with left uwate while Shoryu has right hand inside. Shoryu goes for his skillful grip changes but Azuma is alert and utilizes the moment bulldozing forward. Shoryu tries one last thing at the tawara but Azuma's neat dashinage sends him out. VERY furious bout which lasted about 1 minute active wrestling. 02 Haru 5 Won Yoritaoshi After a short tsuki and pursuing advantageous position Shoryu gets morozashi leaving Azuma with upright stance and no grip. Azuma tries kotenage at the end but fells out before Shoryu touches down. 6 seconds. 02 Natsu 7 Lost Yorikiri Haru in reverse. After opening tussle, Azuma gets morozashi and forces wriggling Shoryu out. 8 seconds. 02 Kyushu 14 Won Uwatedashinage Even bout where both use tsuki until Azuma's right foot slips and slides back and Shoryu gets a grip and leans on Azuma who is on his way down to the clay already. 6 seconds. Analysis: Arm fencing is often present at some part of the bout meaning they engage into pushing and rapid little arm movements without establishing a grip. Bouts between these two are very even. It is furthermore evident that both find their best fighting spirit against each other. Key elements are hard to find as so much usually happens in their bouts. There has been two bouts where the winner (both once) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 16, 2003 The famous bloody bout where Shoryu slapped Azuma multiple times in aMAJOR arm fencing bout I went and saw this one on banzuke.com after reading your analysis. Wow! Thanks for the good analysis :-D I agree with the conclusion: Asa and Azuma have been very even when they're both healthy. We'll see how the rivalry continues once Azuma gets back to 100% health. As for Musoyama: different league. Even though he's an ozeki, Asa is much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted March 8, 2003 Asashoryu vs. Wakanosato 5-4 01 Natsu 12 Lost Hikiotoshi Wakanosato got right uwate and with enourmous power launched a tremendous throw which made Shoryu fall on his head. 01 Nagoya 10 Won Yorikiri Some tsuppari followed by a loud slap on Waka's face disorienting him enough for Asa to get a grip deep behind Waka's belt. Waka tried to pull Asa down while backing up but ended out out before Asa bit the clay. 7 seconds. 01 Aki 9 Won Hatakikomi Very uncontrolled bout. Asa attacked with less eloquant arm fencing and general slapping. Waka wasn't very coherent in his moves either. Once again a mean slap got Waka a bit off track and Asa pulled him down with an attitude slap on his back. 9 seconds. 01 Kyushu 5 Lost Hikiotoshi Shoryu attackes with tsuki again and Waka tries to interfere. This time it is Asa who gets tangled up in his own energy boost and Waka shifts aside and lets Asa fall down wrecklessly. Sloppy bout. 10 seconds. 02 Hatsu 9 Won Sotogake Wakanosato chases Asa around and gets a solid right hand outside grip but Asa is quickly up-to-date of the situation and does a rapid sotogake before Waka can use his power to oust him. Brilliant sotogake by Asa who looked very satisfied with the bout. 8 seconds. 02 Haru 3 Lost Yorikiri Waka gets right hand outside and Asa's uchigake attempt is powerless. Waka pushes him strongly out. 6 seconds. 02 Natsu 8 Won Yorikiri Short tsuppari attack leads to yotsu where Asa has better grip-position. Waka gets his left hand outside but Asa suddenly goes for sotogake and Waka's balance is disturbed and he ends up bouncing backwards and Asa follows him with yorikiri victory. Second bout where sotogake was decisive between these two. 02 Nagoya 15 Lost Tsukiotoshi Both rikishi get equal grips. Complete hidari-yotsu battle. Waka tries couple of throws which Asa blocks and gets a bit offensive at the end when Waka loses his left hand grip. However as Asa tries to get rid of Waka, he becomes a victim of Waka's massive power and with his left hand Waka slams Asa down with force. 19 seconds. 02 Aki 13 Lost Yorikiri Waka gets right hand outside and after a while simply outmuscles Asa out with yorikiri. 10+ seconds. 02 Kyushu 13 Won Sotogake Familiar grip combination again. Waka doesn't have his right hand on the belth though which gives Asa more leverage to work. After a bout full of little attempts by both, Asa launches sotogake which is again fatal to Waka. 1 st yusho for Asa and 3rd sotogake-related win over Wakanosato. 26 seconds. 03 Hatsu 13 Won Okuritaoshi Wakanosato starts well but Asa wins this one with a very speedy move which leaves Waka facing the exit. Shoryu gives a little push with his hip and wins with okuritaoshi. 7 seconds. Analysis: Same development has appeared as in many Asashoryu's match-ups; he doesn't go for tsuppari very much anymore. Instead bouts between Waka and Asa follow a quite predictable lead in grip pursuing and certain intimate yotsu. Wakanosato has advantage in power and dominates if he gets better grip that Asa. When Asa gets equal grip he has one good weapon in sotogake. It is not easy for him to throw or outmuscle Waka so he tends to try leg trips or simply outmaneuvre Waka. Waka has to avoid the sotogake pit in order to beat Asa. Often right hand outside grip by Waka is dooming for Asa but on the other hand Asa can't outskill Waka on the belt easily as he does against Musoyama for example. The bouts have been often even and in the future their rivalry may well be 50-50. So far only Wakanosato's right hand outside grip and Asashoryu's sotogake have been major deciders in their bouts. Often the bout is also longer than 10 seconds and Asashoryu can't seem to outspeed Waka too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted March 9, 2003 I enjoy reading these analyses -- thank you Kaikitsune Makoto :-D 02 Nagoya 15 Lost TsukiotoshiBoth rikishi get equal grips. Complete hidari-yotsu battle. Waka tries couple of throws which Asa blocks and gets a bit offensive at the end when Waka loses his left hand grip. However as Asa tries to get rid of Waka, he becomes a victim of Waka's massive power and with his left hand Waka slams Asa down with force. 19 seconds. This was one time where I thought someone really got the better of Asa, with no tricks or quick slants. Waka took everything Asa threw at him, then said "watch this" and just threw him down. Wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted April 21, 2003 Don't know how much interest this thread possesses as warmed leftovers but some updates on the Asashoryu vs other sanyaku stats after Haru basho. He didn't face Musashimaru, Tochiazuma or Musoyama. Asashoryu-Wakanosato 6-4 (5-4 before Haru) Haru day 12 Win oshidashi Asashoryu's best bout of the Haru basho. He attacked Wakanosato's throat after a PERFECT tachi-ai which was very explosive and accurate. Wakanosato was caught off-guard and as Shoryu used the well-fought tachi-ai kinetic energy and balance, he simply prevented any chance for Waka to get into yotsu-sumo. At first seeing this via Dale's videos I thought Wakanosato was weak but now after seeing it on Eurosport with slow motions and all, I revise my view and claim this bout was Asashoryu's dream bout where everything went his way from the start. Brilliant sumo by the Mongolian curser! Asashoryu-Kotomitsuki 6-6 (5-6) Haru day 13 Win tsuridashi Well Kotomitsuki is suffering from severe elbow problems and he wasn't much of an opposition to anyone in Haru (despite his 6-9 record). Shoryu took the win after getting a deep morozashi. Asashoryu-Kaio 4-5 (4-4) Haru day 14 Loss tsukiotoshi Kaio's right uwate pursuing after a solid tachi-ai evoked a "pull hips back now!"-order from Asashoryu's spinal cord or brain and as he did that he did prevent the right uwate by Kaio but at the same time became very vulnerable balance-wise. Seasoned fox then sensed the situation, swang Shoryu's right arm forward sending him to staggering loss. Maybe wearing Tomozuna-beya coloured U-glasses but this bout was more about Kaio's menace (the withdrawal of hip by Shoryu was quite throughal) and sumo sense than Shoryu's weakness or poor balance. Asashoryu-Chiyotaikai 5-4 (5-3) All has been said about this bout earlier but once again Chiyotaikai's sumo 100% brought him the 4th win against Shoryu. Taikai's state before tachi-ai and right after are illustrated with a smiley better than any words: (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted April 21, 2003 Asashoryu-Chiyotaikai 5-4 (5-3)All has been said about this bout earlier but once again Chiyotaikai's sumo 100% brought him the 4th win against Shoryu. Taikai's state before tachi-ai and right after are illustrated with a smiley better than any words: (Laughing...) That smiley should be called: "Chiyotaikai at tachi-ai". (Laughing...) Makes one wonder whether Asashoryu would do the henka in that bout, if he didn't have the "Yokozuna responsibility to fight with strength"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted April 21, 2003 (edited) Makes one wonder whether Asashoryu would do the henka in that bout, if he didn't have the "Yokozuna responsibility to fight with strength"... Well, he's beaten Takai 5 times before, and I don't think he used henka in any of those bouts. That said, it did surprise me that Asa just stood there and absorbed Chiyo's tsuppari while trying to get to his belt, an almost impossible task when Chiyo has you in his sights. One would think he would at least have tried to step away to the side and present Chiyo with a moving target and maybe hope Chiyo would loose his balance in the process. I don't know... maybe it's easier said than done, especially when Chiyo has that nodo-wa going at your throat. (Laughing...) Edited April 21, 2003 by Zentoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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QttP 0 Posted April 22, 2003 Nope, I quoted the wrong thing and have removed my message. The dangers of reading multiple threads at once... (Laughing...) OK... Now I removed my message quoting you quoting the wrong thing. If you remove your message above this which I quoted in this message of mine without adding any new messages, I will removes this message and we will pretend none of it ever happened. (Laughing...) (Laughing...) (I was stupid...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted June 15, 2003 And more updates to match the current records after Natsu basho: Asashoryu didn't meet Musashimaru. Asashoryu-Wakanosato 7-4 (6-4 before Natsu) Natsu day 11 Win yoritaoshi Beautiful sumo! Wakanosato knows how to fight Asashoryu and muscled him back in yotsu-sumo. Shoryu wriggles free and fights back from the brink and gets morozashi and one all-out hip push gets his offense going. Waka tries one last ditch throw but Shoryu falls on top of him. Excellent sumo by Shoryu but Wakanosato will remain a tough foe for him. Morozashi lightning worked well again. Asashoryu-Kotomitsuki 7-6 (6-6) Natsu day 2 Win yorikiri No comment. Kotomitsuki was handicapped and gave up feebly. Morozashi win for Shoryu and no sweat. Asashoryu-Musoyama 8-3 (7-3) Natsu day 13 Win sotogake Asashoryu continued his domination over Musoyama. Musoyama did his sumo right by avoiding yotsu. He got his other hand in ottsuke but would have needed the other one too. Asashoryu absorbs and then does a neat twisting sotogake. Musoyama can't beat Shoryu. 6-0 for Shoryu last 6 bouts now. Asashoryu-Chiyotaikai 6-4 (5-4) Natsu day 15 Win yorikiri Chiyotaikai missed the target and got his arms off the game. Shoryu took morozashi and easily ousted Taikai. Asashoryu is skillful in destroying Taikai's opening charge. He does little lateral moves and arm interfering which is often poison to Taikai's sumo. Perfect sumo against Taikai. Asashoryu-KaioU 4-6 (4-5) Natsu day 14 Loss uwatenage KaioU's tachi-ai was smart as he prevented Shoryu's morozashi attempts with a elbow angle perfection, got his left hand inside and bulldozed Shoryu back. When Shoryu tried a throw, KaioU got right hand outside and it was all over. 3rd straight loss for Shoryu against KaioU. Can't tsuki KaioU out, can't push him out, can't beat him on belt if he doesn't get morozashi so speedy move followed by morozashi is his weapon against KaioU. This time no chance for morozashi and no chance for speed since he got caught. Asashoryu-Tochiazuma 5-4 (4-4) Natsu day 12 Win tsukidashi Oshi bout with some basic pushing sumo. Weakened Tochiazuma lost after showing some good balance and rhytm but unability to pose a serious forward moving threat to Shoryu. In Nagoya basho Tochiazuma should be stronger so similar oshi bout could turn out to be long and furious again. Same goes for yotsu-scenario. We shall see. (Lifting weight...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chinonofuji 35 Posted June 17, 2003 Hello all, I am new to sumo in the past year, but I really appreciate this site and all of your great comments. (This thread and the photos are my favorites!) Anyway, a couple of questions: 1) For the life of me, I still can't tell if Asashoryu is consistently lucky and in the right place at the right time, or if he incredibly skilled and has the heart (and speed) of a lion. On the one hand, he wins two basho when almost all of the Ozeki and Yokozuna are injured, and his wins since against Kaio and Chiyo and Koto often have a disclaimer attached to them (mostly injuries). He seems so lucky! I find myself thinking "if Akebono, Takanohana, and Musashimaru were all in their prime, that 14-1 would have been 10-5, and he'd be lucky to be an Ozeki." And I still wonder if this "luck" will evaporate and he'll end up with a 9-6 or even 8-7 record one of these basho. On the other hand, Asa has a way of making other rikishi look bad or clumsy, and it comes off as his being lucky. Maru and Musoyama look slow and out of sorts against Asa, so maybe he could have done well against Akebono too? He seems to be bulking up, so he's increasingly less vulnerable to Kaio's thrusts, and Chiyo can't seem to stay fired up for a sustained stretch. And he is a master of technique, including his last-ditch sotogakes. His tachi-ai also seem to be improving. He seems to take his responsibility as a Yokozuna seriously in this regard, at least, driving forward and winning with yori-kiri more, etc. So, my heart is always in my mouth when he wrestles, but maybe that's part of his charm. A couple of basho from now, I could see a healthy Kotomitsuki, Dejima, Musashimaru, Kaio, Chiyo, and Wakanasato all beating Asa easily! But I could also see Asa bulking up without losing speed and continuing to make those split-second adjustments that seal the fate of the other rikishi. Any predictions for the next basho? 2) Quick question: are only yokozuna allowed to become oyakatas, or only yokozuna and ozeki? Or can any rikishi with enough money take over a stable? Thanks! (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites