Guess the Kotomitsuki winner!

[Jejima 1,494]

With Nishinoshima currently indisposed, it is my great pleasure to announce the winner of this competition.

Many, many players guessed the correct Kotomitsuki record of 8-7, which means we have to look at the tie-breakers.

From previous instructions from Nishinoshima, I know that the tie-breakers are to be treated like a sudden death penalty shoot out, going through them in order....

So, the very first tie-break question was 'what was the day one kimarite for K's bout?'

The win (over Dejima) was by hatakikomi.

Only one player who guessed the 8-7 record correctly also got this correct. So all the rest are eliminated (without any need to look at the other tie-break questions), and the winner is......

M9E Flohru

Well done! (Applauding...)

Edited November 28, 2005 by Jejima

[Jejima 1,494]

Here are the results. Strangely Heitaikai gets a better record than the Yusho winner, but that's the way the rules work (On the banzuke...)

Gusoyama (S1E 8-7) S1 Jakusotsu (S1W 10-5)

Heitaikai (S2E 12-3) S2 Doitsuyama (S2W 9-6)

Azumaryu (K1E 6-9) K Misisko (K1W kosho)

Konosato (K2E 10-5) K2

Sakana (M1E 8-7) 1 Kachitakai (M1W 9-6)

Oshirokita (M2E 9-6) 2 Araiwa (M2W 10-5)

Golynohana (M3E 9-6) 3 Tamanaogijima (M3W 9-6)

Kaiyahaiya (M4E 6-9) 4 Frinkanohana (M4W 7-8)

Randomitsuki (M5E 8-7) 5 Zeokage (M5W 8-7)

Aderechelsea (M6E 9-6) 6 Mattjila (M6W 9-6)

Flohru (M7E 11-4 (Applauding...) ) 7 Mmikasazuma (M7W 10-5)

Hakuyobaku (M8E 0-0-15) 8 Sekihiryu (M8W 9-6)

Tomitsuki (M9E kosho) 9 Jejima (M9W kosho)

Vincentoryu (M10E 0-0-15) 10 Gernobono (M10W 6-9)

Tomoe (M11E 8-7) 11 Fujisan (M11W 8-7)

Faustonowaka (M12E 8-7) 12 Brewdude (M12W kosho)

ilovesumo (M13E 6-9) 13 Kotoshu_bulgaria (M13W 8-7)

Feginowaka (M14E 10-5) 14 Odoriou (M14W kosho)

Sashimaru (M15E 8-7) 15 Marcomisakari (M15W 7-8)

Nishinoshima (M16E 7-8) 16 Anjoboshi (M16W 8-7)

Torideyama (M17E 6-9) 17 the mind (M17W 9-6)

Susanoo (M18E 9-6) 18

Jonazuma (J1E kosho) J1 Zuikakuyama (J1W kosho)

Kotononami (J2E 4-11) 2 Adachinoryu (J2W 0-0-15)

Tominishiki (J3E 0-0-15) 3 Kashunowaka (J3W 0-0-15)

Zenjimoto (J4E 10-5) 4 Rodarvus (J4W 0-0-15)

Furanohana (J5E 8-7) 5 Beaumaru (J5W kosho)

Boltono (J6E 7-8) 6 Bishonohana (J6W kosho)

Takanorappa (J7E 10-5) 7 Wolfgangho (J7W kosho)

Kaiomitsuki (J8E 9-6) 8 Takamueda (J8W 6-9)

Norizo (J9E 7-8) 9 Maguroyama (J9W kosho)

Usagi (J10E 11-4) 10 Tajoha (J10W 10-5)

Ookihito (J11E 9-6) 11

Mae-zumo:

Ganzohnesushi (new 11-4)

Jonosuke (new 5-10)

Erkhembulgan (new 9-6)

Yaezakura (new 9-6)

Andoreasu (new 8-7)

Edit: New / Returning changed to 'Mae-zumo' for clarification.

Edited December 6, 2005 by Jejima

[Jejima 1,494]

Here is the new Guess the Kotomitsuki Banzuke. It was a little tricky to make due to the large numbers of playing getting their KK - especially for the players already ranked near the top of the banzuke (you guys really know your Kotomitsuki (On the banzuke...) ). The sanyaku has now become packed, and I am hoping that Miki will do something unexpected next basho, so that we can have a big clear out. The expansion of thye sanyaku means that a vacuum was created just below the joi-jin, into which a lot of players rise with a lot of banzuke luck.

Both Heitaikai and Jakusotsu probably require just a double digit record next basho to gain promotion to Ozeki.

Heitaikai (S2E 12-3) S1 Jakusotsu (S1W 10-5)

Doitsuyama (S2W 9-6) S1 Gusoyama (S1E 8-7)

Konosato (K2E 10-5) S2

Araiwa (M2W 10-5) K1 Kachitakai (M1W 9-6)

Oshirokita (M2E 9-6) K2 Sakana (M1E 8-7)

K3 Misisko (K1W kosho)

Golynohana (M3E 9-6) M1 Tamanaogijima (M3W 9-6)

Flohru (M7E 11-4 (Applauding...) ) 2 Mmikasazuma (M7W 10-5)

Aderechelsea (M6E 9-6) 3 Mattjila (M6W 9-6)

Randomitsuki (M5E 8-7) 4 Zeokage (M5W 8-7)

Azumaryu (K1E 6-9) 5 Sekihiryu (M8W 9-6)

Frinkanohana (M4W 7-8) 6 Feginowaka (M14E 10-5)

Kaiyahaiya (M4E 6-9) 7 Tomoe (M11E 8-7)

Fujisan (M11W 8-7) 8 Kotoshu_bulgaria (M13W 8-7)

Tomitsuki (M9E kosho) 9 Jejima (M9W kosho)

Faustonowaka (M12E 8-7) 10 the mind (M17W 9-6)

Sashimaru (M15E 8-7) 11 Susanoo (M18E 9-6)

Anjoboshi (M16W 8-7) 12 Brewdude (M12W kosho)

Gernobono (M10W 6-9) 13 Zenjimoto (J4E 10-5)

Takanorappa (J7E 10-5) 14 Odoriou (M14W kosho)

Marcomisakari (M15W 7-8) 15 Usagi (J10E 11-4)

ilovesumo (M13E 6-9) 16 Furanohana (J5E 8-7)

Jonazuma (J1E kosho) J1 Zuikakuyama (J1W kosho)

Nishinoshima (M16E 7-8) 2 Tajoha (J10W 10-5)

Torideyama (M17E 6-9) 3 Kaiomitsuki (J8E 9-6)

Ookihito (J11E 9-6) 4 Boltono (J6E 7-8)

Hakuyobaku (M8E 0-0-15) 5 Beaumaru (J5W kosho)

Kotononami (J2E 4-11) 6 Bishonohana (J6W kosho)

Vincentoryu (M10E 0-0-15) 7 Wolfgangho (J7W kosho)

Norizo (J9E 7-8) 8 Takamueda (J8W 6-9)

Maguroyama (J9W kosho) 9 Ganzohnesushi (new 11-4)

Erkhembulgan (new 9-6) 10 Yaezakura (new 9-6)

Andoreasu (new 8-7) 11 Jonosuke (new 5-10)

Banzuke gai

Adachinoryu (J2W 0-0-15)

Tominishiki (J3E 0-0-15)

Kashunowaka (J3W 0-0-15)

Rodarvus (J4W 0-0-15)

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

Both Heitaikai and Jakusotsu probably require just a double digit record next basho to gain promotion to Ozeki.

Since that will be my second basho with a shot at Ozeki, history advises all of You to look at my entry and submit the inverse record as a winning guess. (On the banzuke...)

Cheers Jejima for taking the gunbai and congrats to Flohru! (Applauding...)

[Sakana 46]

8-7, back in sanyaku... Yes I can finally see the sun in this sad basho (Applauding...)

(apoligizes if my english is not well built (On the banzuke...))

(I'll make the update later in the day ; thanks Jejima for doing banzuke so quickly ! (Neener, neener...))

Edited November 28, 2005 by Sakana

[Odoriou 0]

Firstly my congratulations to the winner (Neener, neener...) and to those who were otherwise successful in this round of GTK. (Applauding...)

I thought I had made my GTK entry, but now I noticed that I didn't. (Nodding yes...) Thanks to a very generous kosho rule I was allowed to keep my rank...

(Blushing...) I want to apologize to everybody who made an entry and scored a mk (what probably would have happened to me, too). (On the banzuke...) And I promise that next time I'll make my entry as soon as possible to get a well deserved mk - fair and square. (Hugging...)

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

(In jonokuchi...) Phew! What a relief! (Showing respect...)

Edited November 28, 2005 by Jakusotsu

[_the_mind_ 0]

i have been playing this game for several bashos now, but im not exactly sure(at all) how the win/loss record are deduced from the entry compared to the result, and by association dont know how the ranking gets judged afterwords. can this please be explained to me?:)

[Sakana 46]

Congratulations Flohru ! :-)

[Asashosakari 20,243]

i have been playing this game for several bashos now, but im not exactly sure(at all) how the win/loss record are deduced from the entry compared to the result, and by association dont know how the ranking gets judged afterwords. can this please be explained to me?:)

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?...indpost&p=54611

:-)

[Ganzohnesushi 547]

Congratulations to the winner. Although I can not understand why Flohru's 11-4 beats Heitaikai's 12-3....

And with a look at the new banzuke I find it a little disappointing to be ranked only at J9 with a 11-4-record, while others with MK (Norizo and Takamueda) are ranked higher almost losing no ranks. If I'm not wrong this 11-4 means Juryo yusho. Another mystery in these game rules... (On the banzuke...)

Ganzohnesushi

Edited November 30, 2005 by Ganzohnesushi

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

Congratulations to the winner. Although I can not understand why Flohru's 11-4 beats Heitaikai's 12-3....

And with a look at the new banzuke I find it a little disappointing to be ranked only at J9 with a 11-4-record, while others with MK (Norizo and Takamueda) are ranked higher without losing almost no ranks. If I'm not wrong this 11-4 means Juryo yusho. Another mystery in these game rules... (On the banzuke...)

Ganzohnesushi

Well, the first point is easy to explain. The tie-breakers are consecutive, first tie broken wins the yusho. But they are all used for computing the total score. So someone with all but the first tie-breakers correct would lose on the first tie-breaker (no yusho), but still get a very high score, possibly higher than the yusho winner.

The second point can only be explained with Jejima's policy in making the banzuke, which is appending all newcomers at the end by first record. I can't say I agree with him here either. He should append them at the end before making the new banzuke, maybe ordered by entry date (or just all on the same fictional rank). And then make the banzuke from that onwards. Bench Sumo banzuke is done that way, real sumo is done that way (if you omit mae-zumo - in a way Jejima treats new entrants like mae-zumo entrants in real sumo which isn't right).

On the yusho question: there is only one overall yusho - the banzuke is just for fun anyway.

[Ganzohnesushi 547]

... the banzuke is just for fun anyway....

Of course it is all just for fun. Whoever takes all these games too seriously is on the wrong path anyway. Nevertheless, the banzuke ranking by Jejima is absolute bull****. This means that for a newcomer there is no big difference between a 12-3 or a 2-13 as he will be ranked at the end in any case. That's ridiculous.

Ganzohnesushi

[Jejima 1,494]

I treat new players as taking part in 'mae-zumo'. They always get ranked at the bottom. This is the same as for all new players, so noone is different. And no, I won't be changing this policy either ;-) You can read about this policy in the original thread about this game. It is mentioned in the third post down here.

I do the scoring and make the banzuke as a little hobby. It takes time to do.

The real winner is the guy who gets the 'Yusho' everything else is just extra fluff which can be fun to play with, but has no real substance.

I am a little surprised at how seriously people are now taking this game...... It will be a Super Banzuke Game before you know it.

Edit: There is no such thing as a 'Juryo Yusho' or even a 'Makunouchi Yusho', there is just a GTK Yusho which is won by one player from any division. It was even won by a Mae-zumo player once ;-)

Edited December 4, 2005 by Jejima

[Ganzohnesushi 547]

I'm absolutely fine with this. Nevertheless I was a little bit surprised finding myself after a 11-4 only at the bottom of the banzuke. And surely I'm aware that there is no Juryo Yusho or sth. else ... I just wanted to express that with my result of 11-4 I'm second to none in Juryo....

I know it is just a game and you can be sure that I'm old enough not to worry about it. May be it is because it is my job to ask sometimes silly questions....

Ganzohnesushi

Edited December 5, 2005 by Ganzohnesushi

[Jejima 1,494]

But the thing is, you weren't competing in Juryo in November, you were new to the game, and so were competing in mae-zumo. You got the best record there, and therefore you are now ranked the highest out of the new entrants (Blushing...)

I'm absolutely fine with this. Nevertheless I was a little bit surprised finding myself after a 11-4 only at the bottom of the banzuke. And surely I'm aware that there is no Juryo Yusho or sth. else ... I just wanted to express that with my result of 11-4 I'm second to none in Juryo....

[Sakana 46]

update >>> http://setzer.club.fr/GTK_banzuke/index.htm

(sorry, I'm late ^^)