2nd stern warning for Nishonoseki

[Akinomaki 41,828]

As the supervisor in the heya. The heya's tokoyama Tokoni caused money trouble and had to quit, his NSK page is deleted. The one he caused damage to is not named (Tokoni also not in the articles, just as tokoyama in the heya).  o

After that for underage rikishi drinking for him and Onosato last year April, the 2nd stern warning for Nishonoseki, still no other consequences. Usually the 2nd in such a short time leads to at least a rank demotion as oyakata or pay reduction.

Edited September 30 by Akinomaki

[RabidJohn 2,071]

Not enough information.

I know if I discovered someone I was supervising was misappropriating company funds, and I dealt with it promptly, reporting it to my superiors, I would not expect to be on the receiving end of disciplinary action beyond maybe a bollocking for not spotting it sooner.

At the moment, this feels to me like the compliance committee's desire to be seen doing something.

It's not a repeat offence, nor does it seem as 'bad' as underage drinking. 

[Akinomaki 41,828]

2 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Not enough information.

I know if I discovered someone I was supervising was misappropriating company funds, and I dealt with it promptly, reporting it to my superiors, I would not expect to be on the receiving end of disciplinary action beyond maybe a bollocking for not spotting it sooner.

At the moment, this feels to me like the compliance committee's desire to be seen doing something.

It's not a repeat offence, nor does it seem as 'bad' as underage drinking. 

If someone gets basically thrown out of the NSK for illegal deeds, it is a much worse shisho negligence than underage drinking.

It is a repeat offence, negligence.

The kyokai wants to keep an eye on the heya

We'll see what the tabloids make of this.

[Kintamayama 47,265]

The Kyokai  announced on the 30th that a tokoyama belonging to Nishonoseki beya had been involved in financial trouble and had retired on the 29th. The Compliance Committee will conduct an investigation, and will refrain from making any announcement in order to protect the victim's privacy. The tokoyama, the perpetrator, retired due to the trouble. His master, Nishonoseki Oyakata was severely reprimanded by Chairman Hakkaku for inadequate supervision. The Kyokai stated, "The Kyokai intends to continue to pay close attention to the lifestyle guidance of rikishi and other Kyokai members at Nishonoseki beya, including past drinking issues within the heya."

[Yamanashi 4,078]

So, Double. Secret. Probation,

[RabidJohn 2,071]

Thanks to all for the additional information. My opinion has been modified, and will be modified further should further details emerge.

[Akinomaki 41,828]

Of course the top sumo tabloid Daily Shincho picked it up at once and connected it with the former scandal. Tokoni was an underage drinker there and the one who handled the bottle.

Now 21, he kept forcing money out of an underage tokoyama kohai of another heya of the same ichimon and put it in his account, "borrowing" 700-800 000 yen, with no intention to return it. 

Several other bad behaviour reported and plenty of pics from the scandal party of last time: http://www.dailyshincho.jp/article/2025/10011131/?all=1

- someone on one level with Hokuseiho 

Edited October 1 by Akinomaki

[RabidJohn 2,071]

That's not "money trouble", though. Demanding money from a junior is bullying. 

This seems to have been someone Nishonseki should have been keeping a closer eye on, which is negligent, but when it's happening outside the heya it must be harder to catch.

I have some sympathy with that, which arises from my time as a coal face supervisor. I know from experience that people are capable of doing the most unexpected things. Down there it was usually something Darwin Award winningly stupid that got them seriously hurt or killed - and I was legally responsible for their health and safety. These were all highly trained men. All reasonable steps to prepare them for working safely underground had been taken. I found it immensely frustrating that I could not actually prevent them from being where they weren't supposed to be or doing what they weren't supposed to do.

Edited October 1 by RabidJohn

[Akinomaki 41,828]

39 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

That's not "money trouble", though. Demanding money from a junior is bullying. 

Only the tabloid posted these details so far, offcially it's still money trouble, but with a victim and a perpetrator, so some criminal money trouble.

Other deeds of Tokoni by the tabloid: house arrest for underage smoking, seduction tries the Amuru style: getting women into bars by claiming on SNS to be a friend of Onosato

main candidate(s) for the victim:  - Minato-beya's Tokosakura (16)

- Naruto's TokoOu is 19 and after the law change mostly no longer underage

- Nakamura has new Tokowaka, too new

Edited October 1 by Akinomaki

[Yamanashi 4,078]

4 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Demanding money from a junior is bullying.  

How quaint.  If it were a yakuza and a shopkeeper, we might call it extortion.

[RabidJohn 2,071]

46 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

How quaint.  If it were a yakuza and a shopkeeper, we might call it extortion.

So is somebody taking your lunch money at school. There's only a difference of scale. 

Here's a senior abusing his relationship with a junior. I don't know what else to call it.

Yes, the crime known as extortion may be found to have occurred, but if this were a case of physical abuse the crime would be assault and you wouldn't hesitate to call it bullying.

[Sumo Spiffy 667]

1 hour ago, RabidJohn said:

Here's a senior abusing his relationship with a junior. I don't know what else to call it.

Theft. Saying it's also bullying is reasonable under these circumstances, but taking someone's money without an intention or agreement to return it is straight-up theft. I hope we can agree theft is generally more serious.

[RabidJohn 2,071]

12 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Theft. Saying it's also bullying is reasonable under these circumstances, but taking someone's money without an intention or agreement to return it is straight-up theft. I hope we can agree theft is generally more serious.

Thank you. Yes, it's bloody serious. That's a big chunk of money to take from a teenage hairdressing apprentice.

The senpai/kohai thing is at the heart this, though, and whatever you want to call the symptom that gave it away, the relationship has been seriously abused.