Seiyashi

Araiso-heya branch out

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Unless he had a hand in recruiting them himself, I think it would be considered bad form to take the most promising recruits away from the parent heya. 

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1 hour ago, Mightyduck said:

Is that expected/usual for a yokozuna branching out? Rather than taking one or two good guys?

It must be difficult to build a heya attract talent etc if you are starting out without some recognised talent. 

Well, first of all, you simply need some deshi to kickstart your heya generally. 

After its establishment, Araiso will still have plenty of time to gather real prospects at his stable. 

For example, Kise oyakata also took some - let's say mediocre - rikishi with him, before he turned his heya into a university grad powerhouse years later. 

It doesn't really matter what Araiso is doing now as long as his stable will prosper in the long run, IMO

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1 hour ago, Mightyduck said:

Is that expected/usual for a yokozuna branching out? Rather than taking one or two good guys?

It must be difficult to build a heya attract talent etc if you are starting out without some recognised talent. 

The prior rank of the oyakata hardly matters once the branch out is concerned, I think. Usually, ex-ozeki and ex-yokozuna are expected to start their own heyas, but that has nothing to do with whether they take any rikishi with them.

Conventionally, rikishi that were recruited personally by the branching-out oyakata will follow him to the new heya. Some oyakata choose not to; Shikoroyama (ex Terao) I believe is the most recent notable example of someone who started from scratch. Adachi following Araiso to the new heya is much more unusual than starting from scratch because he's not Araiso's uchideshi but heyamate for a very long time.

While we do hear sometimes that people are attracted to particular heya because of kanban rikishi in it, the quality of the rikishi is not a standalone and the relationships between the prospective rikishi and the heya matter as much if not more, I think. You much more often hear that a rikishi joins a heya because of some connection - same city, familial relationships, scouting networks with the koenkai, alumni, etcetc.

That's not to mention that most branching out oyakata tend not to take kanban rikishi anyway, because if they only take their uchideshi, they'll usually - but not always - not have had time for their uchideshi to get anywhere significant. Also, taking big-name rikishi can be quite a no-no because they come with significant sponsorships and supporter's networks that help keep a heya running.

TLDR; "attracting" talent with the quality of the rikishi in it isn't something that's done, really. It's down to the heya master to show the quality of his heya by the quality of his rikishi scouted from his networks and produced by his methods.

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1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

Some oyakata choose not to; Shikoroyama (ex Terao) I believe is the most recent notable example of someone who started from scratch.

Even he had a couple of uchi-deshi coming along, although just by the strictest definition - all they did out of Izutsu-beya was their maezumo appearances. (The duo making their banzuke debut here in Shikoroyama-beya's first basho.)

 

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Adachi following Araiso to the new heya is much more unusual than starting from scratch because he's not Araiso's uchideshi but heyamate for a very long time.

Not totally unheard of, though; Tochinoyama went to the newly established Chiganoura-beya as a 9-year veteran, also to fill the mentor/old hand role. The connection there was that he and the oyakata were both Takushoku alumni.

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