Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 16, 2004 Back in the past when possibly Buddhist Kakizoe joined ozumo, Musashigawa-oyakata said "He is as good and promising as were Musoyama, Dejima and Miyabiyama when they joined ozumo". Since then Kakizoe has gone kneeless and climbed back up and looks apt now to do many good things in the match circle (otteluympyr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,194 Posted February 16, 2004 Kakizoe used to engage into frequent keiko against non-Jewish Bushuyama and they did so much keiko you wouldn't believe. What does his being NON-Jewish have to do with anything?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 16, 2004 What does his being NON-Jewish have to do with anything?? It is of great importance. Most people are NON-Jewish but someone could have lived in uncertainty of whether Bushuyama indeed is or isn't. But it was an assumption so we can't know for sure. And I was just making a bit fun of the "hot" debate of whether it was appropriate to say "Jewish Hoshitango" as it may have beared a religious tone which is bad and not suitable... This is off-topic now (I am not worthy...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted February 16, 2004 (edited) "He is as good and promising as were Musoyama, Dejima and Miyabiyama when they joined ozumo" Soooo... is this meant as an ominous warning, as in "I think he will be a tremendously bad Ozeki and chronic under-achiever, constantly battling nagging injuries and a general lack of brilliance", or as an actual well-meaning compliment? (I am not worthy...) Edited February 16, 2004 by Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 17, 2004 Soooo... is this meant as an ominous warning, as in "I think he will be a tremendously bad Ozeki and chronic under-achiever, constantly battling nagging injuries and a general lack of brilliance", or as an actual well-meaning compliment? No sir. It means Musashigawa-oyakata saw tremendous talent in Kakizoe. Commenting on the level of talent is not ominous at all no matter how badly some other talents in the heya had gone. Well-meaning compliment and honest appreciation for the puffy skilled cannonball. Jinx doesn't exist this way. This is a very serious thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 6,034 Posted February 18, 2004 Well-meaning compliment and honest appreciation for the puffy skilled cannonball. What most impressed me was his confidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 18, 2004 In 20 years from now, people (we?) will look back and see that Musoyama was an ozeki who managed the hold the rank for a significant amount of time. Maybe he was teetering on the verge of demotion a number of times, but nonetheless he persevered at the second highest rank, and that's a great achievement... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,225 Posted February 18, 2004 (edited) In 20 years from now, people (we?) will look back and see that Musoyama was an ozeki who managed the hold the rank for a significant amount of time. Maybe he was teetering on the verge of demotion a number of times [...] Actually, he wasn't, until mid-2003 at least. He has certainly fallen on hard times over the last 6 or so basho (and as Kashunowaka remarked during Hatsu basho, once they start falling, they often fall rather quickly), but he was clearly the most consistent Ozeki for a couple of years. Clearly the most unspectacular too, of course. But I agree with your general sentiment...a few years after his retirement, nobody will care that he spent the last year or two of his career fighting against demotion. Almost all veteran sekitori go out like that, after all. Edited February 18, 2004 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
