Kitanoumi rijicho on Tochiazuma's prospects

[Kashunowaka 300]

Quote from the Sumo Mailing list:

Kitanoumi oyakata (re Tochiazuma)

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"My view is that he should only be considered if he

wins the Yusho and wins more than 13 bouts next basho.

If he only wins 12, it lacks the dignity even

if he wins the Yusho. If he wins 13 bouts but loses in

the deciding round, then there should be a due

consideration as an equivalent Yusho."

Whatever.

[Yoavoshimaru 0]

At least he's consistent.

[tominishiki 0]

At least this time we talk about Azuma and no Taikai or U

[Tumppi 0]

Agree with Tominishiki.. at least 1 variable has changed.

So now we have 3 potential Yokozunas, yes I really see Kaio winning 2 in a row. He just needs to stop trying to pull down his opponents. That way he always loses to mediocre rikishi.

[Kashunowaka 300]

At least he's consistent.

Yes he is. The problem is that I don't believe him. Well, I do believe that Kitanoumi is expressing his opinion, but I think Tochiazuma will be promoted if he wins a 12-3 yusho.

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

At least he's consistent.

Yes he is. The problem is that I don't believe him. Well, I do believe that Kitanoumi is expressing his opinion, but I think Tochiazuma will be promoted if he wins a 12-3 yusho.

I agree. I think a 12-3 yusho will be enough.

However, I'm not convinced Kitanoumi really expresses his opinion. His ways are quite difficult to understand, since he's tended to change his mind the closer reality comes... But we'll see (Second prize...)

Edited November 25, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama

[Asashosakari 20,224]

[...] if he wins a 12-3 yusho.

Oh no! If that happens, the Yokoshin...

...will be no doubt thrown into a total confusion.

And just imagine Kitanoumi's confusion on top of that! Can we really afford to have that? (Second prize...)

[Naganoyama 6,024]

So now we have 3 potential Yokozunas, yes I really see Kaio winning 2 in a row. He just needs to stop trying to pull down his opponents. That way he always loses to mediocre rikishi.

It seemed to me that the deciding bout between Azuma and Asashoryu was won and lost in this very manner.

The two (awesome) rikishi were fairly evenly matched until the point where Asashoryu made a poor judgement and tried a hatakikomi move. At that point Azuma started the oshidashi offensive which took Asashoryu out.

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

So now we have 3 potential Yokozunas, yes I really see Kaio winning 2 in a row. He just needs to stop trying to pull down his opponents. That way he always loses to mediocre rikishi.

It seemed to me that the deciding bout between Azuma and Asashoryu was won and lost in this very manner.

The two (awesome) rikishi were fairly evenly matched until the point where Asashoryu made a poor judgement and tried a hatakikomi move. At that point Azuma started the oshidashi offensive which took Asashoryu out.

I agree. In fact, Asashoryu's slap down attempt is somewhat similar to the one he won the match with against Chiyotaikai the day before. The difference was that Tochiazuma was not in bad enough balance at the point of the slapdown attempt to fall for it.

It seems many rikishi, not only the lower ranked ones, resort to pull down attempts when they don't get enough out of their usual sumo. Therefore I'd also say that Kaio not necessarily would be much better without pull downs, since the fact he uses them in a match already is a sign he didn't get the match where he wanted it. It's quite likely such a match is half lost already, so even without the pull down, the odds might then be against him. But I suppose that's mostly specualtion, and definitely not always the case.

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

[...] if he wins a 12-3 yusho.

Oh no! If that happens, the Yokoshin...

...will be no doubt thrown into a total confusion.

And just imagine Kitanoumi's confusion on top of that! Can we really afford to have that? (Help me...)

I don't think he'll be confused. When the wind is blowing in Tochiazuma's direction towards the end of Hatsu, Kitanoumi will have forgot he ever demanded a strong 13-2 yusho and with strength support a Yokozuna promotion with a 12-3 yusho (Annoyed...)

Edited November 26, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama

[tominishiki 0]

At least he's consistent.

Yes he is. The problem is that I don't believe him. Well, I do believe that Kitanoumi is expressing his opinion, but I think Tochiazuma will be promoted if he wins a 12-3 yusho.

I agree. I think a 12-3 yusho will be enough.

However, I'm not convinced Kitanoumi really expresses his opinion. His ways are quite difficult to understand, since he's tended to change his mind the closer reality comes... But we'll see (Help me...)

I dont think that he going to be a yokazuna with this kind of yusho because we also was thinking that because taikai yusho 12-3 he needs next basho 14-1 yusho so I dont see a reason that Azuma will be a yokazuna with this kind of yusho

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

At least he's consistent.

Yes he is. The problem is that I don't believe him. Well, I do believe that Kitanoumi is expressing his opinion, but I think Tochiazuma will be promoted if he wins a 12-3 yusho.

I agree. I think a 12-3 yusho will be enough.

However, I'm not convinced Kitanoumi really expresses his opinion. His ways are quite difficult to understand, since he's tended to change his mind the closer reality comes... But we'll see (Annoyed...)

I dont think that he going to be a yokazuna with this kind of yusho because we also was thinking that because taikai yusho 12-3 he needs next basho 14-1 yusho so I dont see a reason that Azuma will be a yokazuna with this kind of yusho

I didn't think Chiyotaikai needed more than 13-2Y after his 12-3Y and I don't think Tochiazuma will need more than 12-3Y after this his 13-2Y. But of course opinions differ. It's hard to be certain of anything until it happens, especially when Kitanoumi is in the middle of it (Blushing...) But I can assure you that another identical yusho, that is with 13-2, will definitely promote Tochiazuma, unless possibly if he does a henka against Toki (Help me...)

[Kashunowaka 300]

But I can assure you that another identical yusho, that is with 13-2, will definitely promote Tochiazuma, unless possibly if he does a henka against Toki (Help me...)

Especially if he does a henka against Toki. (Annoyed...)

[Yoavoshimaru 0]

There are obviously degrees of winning, including winning a yusho. A zensho yusho in a basho with all sanyaku healthy is one thing. A 12-3 yusho with losses to the yokozuna and a couple of ozeki is another thing. I can see how the YDC will disapprove of that.

So, as before, and as it should be, Tochiazuma's fate is in his own hands. He should do the best sumo he can to even improve on his kyusho performance, and let the dominoes fall.