Asa in hot water again?

[Kintamayama 47,194]

The "Doctor Who" Would Not Return-(in the middle, Imasaka-san)

[Kintamayama 47,194]

Is anyone still around? Now, the new doctor who examined Asashouryuu today will be submitting a ranged medical plan on the 20th, after conferring with Takasago Oyakata and the head of the Sumo clinic Yoshida-san. And guess what? Going to Mongolia for treatment is an option once again.

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj 0]

Is anyone still around? Now, the new doctor who examined Asashouryuu today will be submitting a ranged medical plan on the 20th, after conferring with Takasago Oyakata and the head of the Sumo clinic Yoshida-san. And guess what? Going to Mongolia for treatment is an option once again.

yes. That is the way it should be. He should go to Mongolia. Asashoryu made little mistake playing soccer ( only 10 minutes) on the way to his final destination Khujirt hot spa. He was called back, not even seeing his family members, as his mom stated.

Khujirt is well know hot spa west of Ulaanbaatar 500 km. The town of Khujirt, occupying a large bowl in the valley of Khujirtyn Creek, a tributary of the Orkhon River, is famous for its medicinal hot springs and attendant resort. Many Mongolians come here to take cures under the supervision of the resort's therapists or simply to relax in the hot springs with their fellow countrymen

http://mn.wikipedia.org-Ху ...;ын рашаан

Healing quality of Khujirt mineral water/hotspa was discovered by local man Shunhlai who observed that a deer (with lame leg/ injured leg) used to come to water everyday and lay down in water. After sometime it was healed. So news spread, Khujirt became well known for its healing quality for bone/joint injury. Official hot spa facilities were built in 1940

little town of Khujirt is "sister town" of Matsura , Nagasaki

Edited August 17, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Shomishuu 0]

No, if the Kyokai had acted more swiftly and nipped Asashoryu's antics in the bud years ago, we'd probably be exactly where we are now, except that we'd be talking about the potential intai of a seven-yusho winner (or thereabout) rather than a 21-yusho guy, and the whole tone of the discussion would be more of a Futahaguro-esque "who knows what might have been without this incident", not the "aww, we're gonna prematurely lose one of the all-time greats, how sad" that's prevalent right now.

True enough, but since the seven-yusho potential intai point would have been reached three years or so ago, the situation would have been solved without all the embarrasing dither surrounding this whole event. NSK is in this mess because they didn't act decisively then, and they are compounding it because they don't act decisiviely now. Also, Asashoryu would have known up front that he wasn't running sumo and we wouldn't be dealing with a (possible) case of mental illness, among other things. The reputations of many of the key players involved would also probably still be intact as well. When you have a good plan or policy and don't use it, bad things usually follow.

Ahh, but hindsight is a very good thing, isn't it?

[Joeblack 0]

I had no idea that he was missing the exhibition events, but he told me after the event that his arm was really bothering him. He even looked in pain as he reached for his plates over dinner. He said that he came back to Mongolia to receive treatment and that there was a good onsen (hot springs) in the area that helped the problem.

This is from the soccer star. Well well well, so much for the "FAKE" injury claim by Japanese media and many Asa haters. I hope Asa survive this and break Taiho's record so Japanese can forever feel the bitterness.

[Asashosakari 20,225]

True enough, but since the seven-yusho potential intai point would have been reached three years or so ago, the situation would have been solved without all the embarrasing dither surrounding this whole event. NSK is in this mess because they didn't act decisively then, and they are compounding it because they don't act decisiviely now. Also, Asashoryu would have known up front that he wasn't running sumo ...

I think you're giving Asashoryu too much credit. In my estimation, Asashoryu's attitude regarding his position within Ozumo was already decisively ruined by 2004 and we would be having pretty much the same goings-on if the Kyokai had already manned up back then. Perhaps Takasago wouldn't have been quite so irrelevant, but I doubt even that. The time to educate Asashoryu properly was between 1999 and his yokozuna promotion; all that was left afterwards was merely hope that he would be introspective enough to "get it" on his own. I suspect it didn't help that there was no other active yokozuna to emulate during practically his entire run.

[Kintamayama 47,194]

"Why aren't Asashouryuu's relatives arriving in Japan to be with him?" is the question lately being asked by reporters and Kyokai people. "If they do, they will become targets of a media frenzy. Both his parents have a chronic heart situation. They really want to come, but we are asking them not to at this point", say Asa's people. "I want to go to Mongolia. I miss my mother's cooking", is apparently what Asa is saying when he is speaking at all. He hardly speaks to the visitors and the doctor, it is reported.

[Sasanishiki 57]

Is it just me who sees an irony in Asa being assessed by a psychiatrist who deals with anorexics?

[Randomitsuki 2,898]

We already have another thread for news and maybe "serious discussion" in place, and for the moment I'd suggest to keep this particular thread still alive in case members need to vent off a little more.

As for ironic remarks, I personally would condemn it if irony or sarcasm were expelled from this Forum. Nishinoshima has been trying various approaches - if he gets in full grumpy attack mode, he is dissed by the mods, and when he changes to witty ironic mode he is criticized for using irony. Hey, you must give him some form of expression, and I for one enjoy the witty ironic mode much more.

Back to the topic - is there confirming evidence that Asa will be in hot water again soon? (Talking of hot water of course I am referring to the pleasant springs of Khujirt).

[Jonosuke 28]

The Kyokai will likely decide to let him go back to Mongolia for "treatment" soon. He wants to go back and he feels obviously more at home there among his family and friends.

I am sure you will know if you ever have gotton sick away from home to be wanting to go back home to be treated so in the end this is the best solution of this worst situation Asashoryu and the Kyokai find themselves in.

Once he is gone, the Kyokai can focus themselve on the next basho and things more sumo related. I am sure certain oyakata will not be happy giving Asashoryu the exception as the directors already decided what measures should have been taken against him but it will all be better for everyone concerned not keep having this zoo in front of Asashoryu's apartment every day.

This Jyungyo tour has gone well without Aasashoryu's presence and despite having all the hooplas surrounding him so the Jyngyo oyakata have been happy. It appears that most fans have already moved on. Their view seems to be if he comes, it's OK but he doesn't, that's OK too. It's more like out of sight, out of mind attitude.

The question is after Asashoryu goes back to Mongolia, can he be ready by November 25 when his suspension expires and be ready for the Winter Jyungyo. Longer he stays out, slimmer his chance of ever coming back strong.

I will give 50-50 chance that he will come back if he stays there after the new year.

Edited August 20, 2007 by Jonosuke

[Shomishuu 0]

True enough, but since the seven-yusho potential intai point would have been reached three years or so ago, the situation would have been solved without all the embarrasing dither surrounding this whole event. NSK is in this mess because they didn't act decisively then, and they are compounding it because they don't act decisiviely now. Also, Asashoryu would have known up front that he wasn't running sumo ...

I think you're giving Asashoryu too much credit. In my estimation, Asashoryu's attitude regarding his position within Ozumo was already decisively ruined by 2004 and we would be having pretty much the same goings-on if the Kyokai had already manned up back then. Perhaps Takasago wouldn't have been quite so irrelevant, but I doubt even that. The time to educate Asashoryu properly was between 1999 and his yokozuna promotion; all that was left afterwards was merely hope that he would be introspective enough to "get it" on his own. I suspect it didn't help that there was no other active yokozuna to emulate during practically his entire run.

Thanks for your thoughts, and I can see where you're coming from. Agreeing to disagree works wonders for me. Both sides very theoretical, and would make a nice sub-thread I think, but at this point it's getting a little exhausting.

(I mean the entire thread, not this discussion here).

Edited August 20, 2007 by Shomishuu

[Jonosuke 28]

If anyone has the previous poster, it will be a real collectors item.

I wonder how many times in their history, they had to scratch their basho poster....

Incidentally I was writing on the mailing list about how often Asashoryu has been on the front page of sports dailies and the importance of having a great impact front page for them, especially considering how these papers are displayed in kiosks and convenience stores.

Perhaps one day you can do us a favor by taking a shot of kiosks so we know how the sports papers front pages are being displayed so that the only most impact words (and often misleading) and pictures are visible.

[Hananotaka 8]

Perhaps one day you can do us a favor by taking a shot of kiosks so we know how the sports papers front pages are being displayed so that the only most impact words (and often misleading) and pictures are visible.

Like the one recently that had a picture of Asashoryu and the words, "Asashoryu...INTAI" and then when you unfold it you see the much smaller word "scenario".

[Manekineko 200]

This thread is now reopened if any wish to comment on posts it contains. All other current discussion should be kept in the secon Asa hot water thread. Your personal impressions of this sad affair are best suited in this thread:

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13102

first reactions to Asa's suspension

Several parts of this thread have been split into new threads:

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13099

does oyakata outrank yokozuna?

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13100

medical look at Asa in hot water (elbow, back, able to play?)

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13104

in defence of Asashoryu (first defenders)

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13105

basho prospects without Asa

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13109

Madness of king Asashoryu + psychiatry in Japan (mental state of Asa)

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13110

NSK conspiracy against Asa

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13115

where is Asa's family

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13131

Asagate: Takasago at fault or not?

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13133

Uneducated Asa setting a bad example

Some other (mostly Mongolian and "Japanese way" discussions) have been moved to Off Topic and Japan-Japanese. All have been clearly marked as "split from Asa hot water 1" in subtitle.

Splitting is by its own nature imperfect. If you find any glaring errors or have any suggestions, please let me know. To PM if you please.