Hashira 0 Posted July 8, 2003 this is a dumb question, but what is the rule about what part of a person's body may not touch the ground? i know it's any par besides the feet, but i was looking at Toki today and wondering: would he lose if someone plucked a handful of his sideburns and dropped them on the dohyo? i wouldn't think so, but you never know... also, i heard that someone once lost when his topknot touched, even though his opponent's body touched before the rest of his body. can someone tell me who it was and if their is a video and finally- i didnt expect this question to last so long- is it true that a rikishi once lost when his mawashi unravelled and touched the dohyo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted July 8, 2003 this is a dumb question, but what is the rule about what part of a person's body may not touch the ground? i know it's any par besides the feet, but i was looking at Toki today and wondering: would he lose if someone plucked a handful of his sideburns and dropped them on the dohyo? i wouldn't think so, but you never know...also, i heard that someone once lost when his topknot touched, even though his opponent's body touched before the rest of his body. can someone tell me who it was and if their is a video and finally- i didnt expect this question to last so long- is it true that a rikishi once lost when his mawashi unravelled and touched the dohyo? I can't answer all of this, but I may speculate: Side burns probably wouldn't mean a loss, but it's quite a special situtation. I think Takanohana I, Taka and Waka's father, current Futagoyama-oyakata once lost because his top knot touched the ground when he made a throw, but I can't be more precise than that. If the mawashi unravels, it touching the ground is the last of that rikishi's problems... A rikishi whose mawashi unravels suffers an immediate loss, not to mention a great deal of embarrassement... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 8, 2003 (edited) would he lose if someone plucked a handful of his sideburns and dropped them on the dohyo?(...) can someone tell me who it was and if their is a video (...) is it true that a rikishi once lost when his mawashi unravelled and touched the dohyo? Only if the owner of the sideburns would follow close by as already told. I'm absolutely positive I saw an excellent image of that famous Takanohana vs. Takamiyama bout somewhere only few weeks ago but can't find it right now. Probably in some book... Video I haven't seen. On Sunday Buyuzan's mawashi opened and I think it touched the ground but the gyoji didn't react. Only a full unravelment of mawashi (fujomake, morodashi) and an exposure of reproductive organs (How's that for an euphemism?) results in immediate loss. Few years ago Oshima-beya's sandanme rikishi Asanokiri suffered that and got his fifteen minutes of fame. I believe it was the only sumo related news that year in Finnish newspapers. :'-( I would've provided a link for more information but banzuke.com's search engine seems to be off duty now. Edited July 8, 2003 by Kotoseiya Yuichi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,138 Posted July 8, 2003 Few years ago Oshima-beya's sandanme rikishi Asanokiri suffered that and got his fifteen minutes of fame. I believe it was the only sumo related news that year in Finnish newspapers. :'-( Sorry to nitpick, but he was from then Wakamatsu (now Takasago) beya. I know. I was there.. He has since then retired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted July 8, 2003 Why do I vaguely remember that Kasuganishiki once lost due to complete mawashi unravelment. I also vaguely remember hearing that due to his "well-endowedness" it wasn't "AS embarrassing" for him. :-) Strut it if you got it, I guess. (Eh?) Or, am I imagining this whole thing (in which case, I would start to worry about myself, given the topic!!) :'-( Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted July 8, 2003 (edited) Why do I vaguely remember that Kasuganishiki once lost due to complete mawashi unravelment. I also vaguely remember hearing that due to his "well-endowedness" it wasn't "AS embarrassing" for him. :-) Strut it if you got it, I guess. (Eh?) Or, am I imagining this whole thing (in which case, I would start to worry about myself, given the topic!!) :'-( Cheers Zenjimoto I don't think you imagine it, but rather that you have confused some facts and names. It is indeed rare to lose the mawash Edited July 8, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 8, 2003 Sorry to nitpick, but he was from then Wakamatsu (now Takasago) beya. I know. I was there.. He has since then retired. Of course Wakamatsu, not Oshima. I must have thought Asahi instead of Asa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Furutakanohe 0 Posted July 8, 2003 I'm absolutely positive I saw an excellent image of that famous Takanohana vs. Takamiyama bout somewhere only few weeks ago but can't find it right now. Probably in some book... Video I haven't seen. If it's the bout in 1970 Aki basho, it's available on the DVD "Ozumo in the 20th Century." I haven't seen it, mind you, just read about it. (At last, something I can comment on without sounding like a total git.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted July 9, 2003 Not Aki basho 1970, but Aki basho 1980! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 9, 2003 Found it! Page 123 of Lora Sharnoff's Grand Sumo - The Living Sport And Tradition (First Edition, 1989). Sorry Furutakanohe, Tony's right. It was in September 1980. No big deal. (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hashira 0 Posted July 9, 2003 thats right. i thought i had seen a picture of it somewhere. now, my question is this: it appears impossible that the referee would have been able to see the topknot from his angle, and perhaps only the judge immediately in front of te action would have been able to see it. so, how did they come to the decision? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 9, 2003 (...) how did they come to the decision? A shimpan (or several) objected gyoji's decision to give the victory to Takanohana and they reversed it after a discussion. sashi-chigae, overruling and reversing decision by shimpan against the original ruling of gyoji concerning torikumi's kekka; sashi-chigae is quite negative occasion to gyoji and sashi-chigae are intensively observed, compare with torinaoshi, gunbaidoori, see mono-ii, kyougi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeokage 0 Posted July 13, 2003 Isn't his hand touching the ground as well as the top-knot in that picture? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted July 13, 2003 Isn't his hand touching the ground as well as the top-knot in that picture? It sure doesn't appear so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted July 13, 2003 At first I thought it was his hand as well, then I realized it's probably his right leg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted July 13, 2003 One things for sure though-That is a great action shot,it captures the moment perfectly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
