Tumppi 0 Posted July 5, 2003 Ok, I see that sumo is on every day from next Monday to Friday! Days 13-15 of the natsu will be on Sunday. Does this mean that Eurosport will broadcast Nagoya almost LIVE??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 5, 2003 No, it's the rerun of Natsu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tumppi 0 Posted July 5, 2003 Aah, damn them, they could have been on time for once.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted July 5, 2003 Aah, damn them, they could have been on time for once.. Not very probable since the eurosport broadcasts started thursday (at least in my TV (In a state of confusion...) ) and last until this sunday, wich is the same sunday that nagoya starts. Now I'm gonna go and see if I can figure out how to programme my VCR for tonights broadcast (Bleh!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tumppi 0 Posted July 5, 2003 Aah, damn them, they could have been on time for once.. Not very probable since the eurosport broadcasts started thursday (at least in my TV (In a state of confusion...) ) and last until this sunday, wich is the same sunday that nagoya starts. Now I'm gonna go and see if I can figure out how to programme my VCR for tonights broadcast (Bleh!) Well I've already done that! (Blushing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted July 5, 2003 D*mn machines! (In a bad mood...) It says it's programmed correctly, but the recording wont start (Depressed...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tumppi 0 Posted July 5, 2003 Try show view dude, I used it for the first time a few days ago and it worked like a charm! (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeokage 0 Posted July 5, 2003 They showed up to Day 9 last night I think. Who was it that they said always does henka? I've forgotten the name... is he liked at all for that strategy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 5, 2003 (...) is he liked at all for that strategy? I doubt anyone is liked due to use of henka. (In a state of confusion...) When I was young and fool I kind of admired a deviously executed henka. Now when I'm old and fool, I dislike it intensively, cunning or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeokage 0 Posted July 5, 2003 Which kimitare would it be if someone does a henka and wins without any contact being made? I guess there are two of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 5, 2003 Which kimitare would it be if someone does a henka and wins without any contact being made? Kimarite in a henka derived win usually is defined as hatakikomi. Hikiotoshi might also be the kimarite declared and possibly also sokubiotoshi. All of those, however, require a contact between the rikishi. Henka as such can never be the kimarite. If the losing rikishi falls all by himself without initiative from the winner, it's likely to be declared a koshikudake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted July 5, 2003 Who was it that they said always does henka? Gojoro does henka pretty often, doesn't he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted July 5, 2003 Kimarite in a henka derived win usually is defined as hatakikomi. Hikiotoshi might also be the kimarite declared and possibly also sokubiotoshi. And sometimes tsukiotoshi as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted July 6, 2003 (edited) A few impressions of Natsu-basho, as relived on Eurosport... So, Tochinonada's baby girl is called Momoko? Peachy. :-D Ooo, another unidentified flying zabuton hitting a foreign yokozuna on his head after a loss! (Pirate bones...) Hoshifransu, how I miss you. (Lovely loss it was, too, and even lovelier win for Kaio with a capital U). Kotoryu showed a lot of grit wrestling with busted ribs on the last day, and having secured his kk already. I guess he thought Asanowaka was no biggie (and rightly so), but he did look pained as he crouched down to accept his win. Kaio with an U wore a yukata or whatewer-it's-called with his name and lot of small Kaio's on it. Very yellow and extremely cute - I want one! Asahoryu's was bad-guy black and red combo, looking really good on him. :-) Daizen graced the corridors in his security blue - I always enjoy playing "spot the retiree". Edited July 6, 2003 by Manekineko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted July 6, 2003 Who was it that they said always does henka? I've forgotten the name... is he liked at all for that strategy? Asanowaka. He's one of the few rikishi who can wrestle an entire basho while hardly ever being touched by an opponent because he jumps out of the way so much. :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 6, 2003 Daizen graced the corridors in his security blue Minatofuji too! :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted July 7, 2003 It's pretty funno to hear the swedish eurosport commentators views on henka. Especially after having read the sumotalk.com comments :-D I dont think he's ever thought the thought that henka could be a bad thing. He just thinks it's a brilliant strategic move! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,119 Posted July 7, 2003 It's pretty funno to hear the swedish eurosport commentators views on henka. Especially after having read the sumotalk.com comments :-D I dont think he's ever thought the thought that henka could be a bad thing. He just thinks it's a brilliant strategic move! So do I, and quite a few others of the silent majority, who don't wish to open this age old argument again. Henka is a legitimate move. If it weren't, it wasn't. Contrary to what you are led to believe by certain anarchist elements on this forum, Henka kings such as Asanowaka and Akinoshima are well liked by the fans. Usually, the people who are so vehementally against it have had their favorite rikishi fall on his face out of his own stupidity, and lose to some"skinny guy", and that pisses them off to no end.. Most people who are against it think it's "dishonorable" when done by a Sanyaku and higher rikishi, and they may have a tiny point there, considering. Most of those that don't like it think they are being gypped because the "match is too short"..Well, boo hoo hoo. It's legal, it's crafty, and when well executed , a work of art. So there!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 7, 2003 So do I, and quite a few others of the silent majority, who don't wish to open this age old argument again. I agree we don't need another Henka War here. Well, perhaps after the basho... :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted July 7, 2003 Just as this henka debate comes (again) we had another example of the kind of henka many don't appreciate. Chiyotaikai (who else) did an all-out obviously preplanned henka against Tochinonada. There are many debatable ones out there where it's far from certain whether the rikishi planned it or went with the flow, or ones that maybe shouldn't even be considered henka, because there is an initial clash and a quick following sidestep to let the opponent fall. This though was not that kind.... I'm not sure Tochinonada ever touched Chiyotaikai before going down (with the live feed it's hard to tell...). Hm. I wasn't too much against henka and in principal still isn't, but I really would have liked a different match between Tochinonada and Chiyotaikai... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted July 7, 2003 Chiyotaikai (who else) did an all-out obviously preplanned henka against Tochinonada. Say, aren't you a Tochiazuma fan? Isn't he the guy who wins tournaments and secures his ozeki rank through henka? With that said, I will add that I'm not always against henka, but when a high-ranked rikishi does it too often, and preplans it (as in today's bout it obviously was), I don't like it. Chiyotaikai doesn't do it often (he may have been using it frequently, in the past, but I wasn't following sumo in the beginning of his career). And the fact that henka is a legitimate strategy doesn't make it wrong not to like it. I mean, nobody likes a soccer team that only defends for 90 minutes, hoping for a mistake by the other team. Especially, when the competition level is high. It's the same with rikishi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted July 7, 2003 (edited) Chiyotaikai (who else) did an all-out obviously preplanned henka against Tochinonada. Say, aren't you a Tochiazuma fan? Isn't he the guy who wins tournaments and secures his ozeki rank through henka? With that said, I will add that I'm not always against henka, but when a high-ranked rikishi does it too often, and preplans it (as in today's bout it obviously was), I don't like it. Chiyotaikai doesn't do it often (he may have been using it frequently, in the past, but I wasn't following sumo in the beginning of his career). And the fact that henka is a legitimate strategy doesn't make it wrong not to like it. I mean, nobody likes a soccer team that only defends for 90 minutes, hoping for a mistake by the other team. Especially, when the competition level is high. It's the same with rikishi. I am a Tochiazuma fan. He uses henka less than Chiyotaikai career-wise, and the henka he has used has never been as flagrant. Actaually, one of the reasons I dislike henka nowadays is BECAUSE several Chiyotaikai fan were disgusted by Azumas henka against Chiyotaikai which I have considered very ironic given how Chiyotaikai himself uses the technique freely with obvious planning. And on a another note. One does not have to like henka to like a rikishi who uses it. But it is a tendency to actually don't have any problem with the henkas of ones favorite than those of others, which is of course natural. Edited July 7, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted July 7, 2003 It's pretty funno to hear the swedish eurosport commentators views on henka. Especially after having read the sumotalk.com comments B-) I dont think he's ever thought the thought that henka could be a bad thing. He just thinks it's a brilliant strategic move! This is the same guy who believed my April Fool's joke about foreign rikishi being limited to one per country from next year, right? (Punk rocker...) :-( (In love...) :-D :-) :-) Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted July 7, 2003 (edited) It's pretty funno to hear the swedish eurosport commentators views on henka. Especially after having read the sumotalk.com comments Edited July 7, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted July 7, 2003 I still think the classic henka was when Takanohana did it to Taikai in his last but one basho-Taikais face was priceless. :-( Something like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
