Chienoshima 0 Posted March 16, 2005 (edited) Hi sumo maniac and experts, As I am translating rikishi quotes for Le Monde Du Sumo, there is something strange about Chiyotaikai which comes out each bacho. Although this guy is an ozeki, he did not win that much kensho. I guess he had always won the smallest amount of kensho among yokozuna and ozeki. Does someone have an explanation for this ? In my opinion, even though I am not a Chiyotaikai fan, I don't like this situation at all. Yes, his pulling habit is not the best to please the customers, but he is still a japanese ozeki and they should support him. Even in his native island in Kyushu, the man did not get so much kensho. As a matter of fact, this affects his mind and maybe his fighting spirit to put a good bout at the end of the day. You can feel his frustation among his quotes, almost on a daily basis. What about his koen-kai (association of supporters) ? Why they don't spend some incentative to help him to clinch more yusho ? In this Haru basho 2005, Chiyotaikai has a fair 3-1 score after 4 days, he is a japanese ozeki and he is not even in the TOP 10 rikishi earning the most kensho, according to Nikkan. That is quite pitifull. One should keep in mind that Chiyotaikai with its 3 yusho is one of the best ozeki of all time. I truly do not understand what is going on around him. Any idea ? Best regards, Chienoshima Edited March 16, 2005 by Chienoshima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted March 16, 2005 Chiyotaikai used to gather lots of kensho. In fact, the bouts that had attracted the most kensho in recent tournaments are his bouts with Asashoryu, even though he has not been able to put up much of a show in most of these bouts. But lately, he seems much weaker than before, his sumo lost the spark, his results are considerably less than adequate. This has led to the low amount of kensho you see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted March 17, 2005 ...there is something strange about Chiyotaikai which comes out each bacho. Although this guy is an ozeki, he did not win that much kensho. I guess he had always won the smallest amount of kensho among yokozuna and ozeki.Does someone have an explanation for this ? ...Yes, his pulling habit is not the best to please the customers... As a matter of fact, this affects his mind and maybe his fighting spirit to put a good bout at the end of the day. You can feel his frustation among his quotes, almost on a daily basis. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the answers you provided explain it nicely - obvious lack of fighting spirit, excessive pulling in his sumo, and constant complaining... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) His popularity outside of Tokyo in particular is in a sharp decline (at least where the sponsers are concerned). In the last four Tokyo basho (Hatsu 04, Natsu 04, Aki 04, Hatsu 05) he's had 55, 74, 97, and 45 Kensho respectively. In the last four non-Tokyo basho (Osaka, Nagoya, Kyushu, and now Osaka again) his totals are 43, 36, 16, and now less than 4 after the first four days of this basho. Edited March 17, 2005 by Zentoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,259 Posted March 17, 2005 The pure number of kensho won isn't a good indicator of popularity. Much better would be number of kensho set up for his bouts to eliminate the effect of how many bouts he actually wins. You know this of course, but where to get this data? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,211 Posted March 17, 2005 The pure number of kensho won isn't a good indicator of popularity. Much better would be number of kensho set up for his bouts to eliminate the effect of how many bouts he actually wins. You know this of course, but where to get this data? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> FWIW, also of interest would be the total number of kensho placed in a basho, as a lower absolute number of kensho on Taikai (particularly in the off-Tokyo basho) may partially be due to lower sponsorship interest in general... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) The pure number of kensho won isn't a good indicator of popularity. Much better would be number of kensho set up for his bouts to eliminate the effect of how many bouts he actually wins. You know this of course, but where to get this data? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Kensho per win could be a good indicator of how many kensho the rikishi is drawing for his bouts, at least on the average anyway. We can make the assumption from this that he is drawing at least this many kensho in his losses. It's not perfect, as there are other factors to consider, like how good of a basho he's having and the popularity of his opponents, but it's a start. For instance: In Kyushu he had 16 kensho for 7 wins (2.3 per win) In Hatsu, 45 kensho on 8 wins (5.6 per win) etc. FWIW, also of interest would be the total number of kensho placed in a basho, as a lower absolute number of kensho on Taikai (particularly in the off-Tokyo basho) may partially be due to lower sponsorship interest in general... I have all the basho totals dating back to Hatsu 04, If I have the time tomorrow, I'll go back through all the numbers and see what Chiyo's percentage of the winnings were from basho-to-basho. Edited March 17, 2005 by Zentoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
