Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) The Shikona Game The aim is to create a Shikona as long as possible by connecting several existing Shikona. The rules: First you choose any of the Shikona on the current Banzuke. Then your second Shikona has to begin with (at least) the last two letters of the first one you have chosen. Then the third one has to begin with (at least) the last two letters of the 2nd Shikona. And so on. An example (post it this way): Kotomitsukitanoumiyabiyamainoumiyagino In difference to the example you only are allowed to choose active Rikishi from the Haru Banzuke (Y1e – Jk22e). You must not pick the same Shikona more than once in your entry and you are not allowed to pick the already posted ones. The points: Only the number of letters counts (not the number of Shikona). You get 1 point for each „usual letter“ and 2 points for every „connection letter“ (the underlined letters in the example), so that if the real number of letters is equal, the number of connections is decisive. The connection between two Shikona always has to consist of at least two letters, but could be even longer (for example two syllables). Bonus points were awarded if one Shikona is inside another one, for example „Toki“ in „Tokitsuumi“ (the number of bonus points depends on how long the including Shikona is, in the example 10 bonus points for „Tokitsuumi“) The player with the most points is the winner of the game. Tiebreaker is the total number of wins of all your picked Rikishi (at the Haru Basho 2015). Probably this is a one-time game. The deadline is Shonichi, 10 a.m. Final Standings: 1. Achiyama 1156 2. chishafuwaku 903 - Achiyama 400 3. Wamahada 168 4. Rufakiyama 109 5. Kasutera 22 _____________________________________ (Yusho winner...) Achiyama (Yusho winner...) ___________________ _________________________________________._____._ 1 ______________ (Second prize...) chishafuwaku (Second prize...)______________________ (Third prize...) Wamahada (Third prize...) __________________________2____________________________.________________3 Achiyama takes the Yusho. Congratulations! (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) Edited March 9, 2015 by Tenshinhan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufakiyama 16 Posted March 2, 2015 ororaoiyamaetamawashidenoumiyakojimasunoyamasutenryukisenosatochiozan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted March 2, 2015 Ama.... DOH!!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) ororaoiyamaetamawashidenoumiyakojimasunoyamasutenryukisenosatochiozan Nice Job! (Nodding yes...) 69 total letters + 23 connection letters + 17 bonus points for Aoiyama (7, including Aoi) and Kisenosato (10, including Sato). 109 points for Rufakiyama! picked Rikishi: Orora, Rao, Aoiyama, Maeta, Tamawashi, Hidenoumi, Miyakojima, Masunoyama, Masutenryu, Ryuki, Kisenosato, Tochiozan Edited March 2, 2015 by Tenshinhan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,299 Posted March 2, 2015 I can not count Orora because the rules say, the next Shikona has to begin at least with the last two letters (and it's not Raoiyama... :-) )I overlooked it at first, too (yay for the delete button...) - I think that's supposed to be Orora - Rao - Aoiyama. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 2, 2015 I overlooked it at first, too (yay for the delete button...) - I think that's supposed to be Orora - Rao - Aoiyama. Haha, you are brilliant. Thank you! (Applauding...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,299 Posted March 2, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, the shortest non-trivial solution is Chiyooume - Meisei. So avoid that one. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Shouldn't Rufakiyama also get bonus points for Sato in Kisenosato? Edited March 2, 2015 by Senkoho 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasutera 258 Posted March 2, 2015 All I can think of is Ichinojokoryu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Shouldn't Rufakiyama also get bonus points for Sato in Kisenosato? Yes, of course. You are right. Obviously I am a bit overstrained with my own rules... :-) Edited March 2, 2015 by Tenshinhan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 3, 2015 All I can think of is Ichinojokoryu 13 letters + 2 connection letters + 7 bonus points for Jokoryu (including Okoryu) 22 points for Kasutera! picked rikishi: Ichinojo, Jokoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chishafuwaku 476 Posted March 3, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, the shortest non-trivial solution is Chiyooume - Meisei. So avoid that one. ;-) Ako - Koba it´s trivial for you? chishafuwaku 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chishafuwaku 476 Posted March 3, 2015 Other players are not allowed to pick: Aoiyama, Hidenoumi, Ichinojo, Jokoryu, Kisenosato, Maeta, Masunoyama, Masutenryu, Miyakojima, Orora, Rao, Ryuki, Tamawashi, Tochiozan I don´t agreed with that for example kisenosatochiozan it´s different of kisenosatoyohibiki the ban should be for the same connections only chishafuwaku 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 3, 2015 Other players are not allowed to pick: Aoiyama, Hidenoumi, Ichinojo, Jokoryu, Kisenosato, Maeta, Masunoyama, Masutenryu, Miyakojima, Orora, Rao, Ryuki, Tamawashi, Tochiozan I don´t agreed with that the ban should be for the same connections only But this is how it works. The earlier the entry the easier the choice. And there are more than enough other Rikishi to pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wamahada 63 Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) Kurikomayamatsushimatsubayamatonaminishikioisatoyohibikisenoshonannouminatoshokahondaitenyumatsudaishokinouminatoryuki (made of: Kurikomayama, Matsushima, Matsubayama, Yamatonami, Aminishiki, Ikioi, Oisato, Toyohibiki, Kisenosho, Shonannoumi, Minatosho, Hokaho, Honda, Daitenyu, Yuma, Matsuda, Daishoki, Okinoumi, Minatoryu, Yuki) I think it is possible to connect even more Shikona to one new Shikona. Edited March 3, 2015 by Wamahada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 3, 2015 Kurikomayamatsushimatsubayamatonaminishikioisatoyohibikisenoshonannouminatoshokahondaitenyumatsudaishokinouminatoryuki (made of: Kurikomayama, Matsushima, Matsubayama, Yamatonami, Aminishiki, Ikioi, Oisato, Toyohibiki, Kisenosho, Shonannoumi, Minatosho, Hokaho, Honda, Daitenyu, Yuma, Matsuda, Daishoki, Okinoumi, Minatoryu, Yuki) I think it is possible to connect even more Shikona to one new Shikona. Very good. I counted 118 letters + 44 connection letters + 6 bonus points for Oisato (including Sato) = 168 points Wamahada takes the lead! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chishafuwaku 476 Posted March 3, 2015 I still do not agree because there are irreplaceable My entry would look something like 1 Asakanai Jd24 2 Aiyama Sd13w 3 Masutenryu Jd3e 4 Yuki Sd30e 5 Kiyomusashi Jk8e 6 Hisatsukasa Jd46w 7 Sadanosato Sd57e 8 Tochinoshima Jk14e 9 Matsumoto Ms31w 10 Tochihayate Sd28e 11 Terutsuyoshi Ms8e 12 Hisanotora Ms54e 13 Rao Sd30w 14 Aonosho Ms46e 15 Hokutohomare Jd25e 16 Rendaiyama Sd17w 17 Masunosho Ms20e 18 Hokutohana Sd51w 19 Nankairiki Ms34e 20 Kisenowaka Sd38w 21 Kakehashi Sd25w 22 Hidenoumi J7e 23 Minatosho Sd53e 24 Hokutogo Sd56w 25 Gonoumi Sd65e 26 Mitoyutaka Sd3w 27 Kasugakuni Ms43w 28 Nishikikaze Sd38e 29 Zendaisho Jd22e 30 Honda Jd6 31 Daishoiwa Ms17e 32 Wakayamanaka Jd1e 33 Kawabata Ms1w 34 Takayoshitoshi Ms42w 35 Hirose Jd12w 36 Sekizuka Jk1w 37 Kanamori Jk18w 38 Rikito Sd83w 39 Tochigidake Sd86e 40 Kenho Jd44e 41 Hokutowaka Ms59w 42 Karatsuumi Ms54w 43 Mitotsukasa Sd34e 44 Sadanoumi M2e 45 Mienosato Sd75e 46 Tokitenku M8w 47 Kurosawa Jk18e 48 Wakanosato J4w 49 Toyonoshima M5e 50 Matsuda Jd13e 51 Daishoko Jd3w 52 Kotodaigo Ms28e 53 Goshi Sd6w 54 Higonohana Jd45e 55 Nakao Jd14e 56 Aoto Sd79w 57 Tokkoriki Jd19 58 Kiriarashi Jd23e 59 Hidano Jd42w 60 Nogami Ms48e 61 Mizuta Ms57w 62 Takayasu M3e 63 Suzaku Ms22e 64 Kurenishiki Jd5e 65 Kisenosho Jd84e 66 Horyuyama Ms27e 67 Maeta Ms60e 68 Tamaasuka J3w 69 Kaganohana Jd2w 70 Narumi Sd34w 71 Miyauchi Sd91e 72 Hienriki Sd16e 73 Kisenosato O1e 74 Tokinowaka Sd65w 75 Kaiho Jd18e 76 Hokutosato Jk2w 77 Tosayutaka J11e 78 Kasugasato Jd63e 79 Tochitensho Jd9 80 Hokuto Jd38e 81 Tochigenbu Jd49e 82 Burinosato Sd36w 83 Tochinosato Ms37e 84 Tochiminato Jk13e 85 Tokushinho Ms2e 86 Hokutosho Jd65e 87 Hokaho Ms12e leading to Asakanaiyamasutenryukiyomusashisatsukasadanosatochinoshimatsumotochihayaterutsuyoshisanotoraonoshokutohomarendaiyamasunoshokutohanankairikisenowakakehashidenouminatoshokutogonoumitoyutakasugakunishikikazendaishondaishoiwakayamanakawabatakayoshitoshirosekizukanamorikitochigidakenhokutowakaratsuumitotsukasadanoumienosatokitenkurosawakanosatoyonoshimatsudaishokotodaigoshigonohanakaotokkorikiriarashidanogamizutakayasuzakurenishikisenoshoryuyamaetamaasukaganohanarumiyauchienrikisenosatokinowakaihokutosatosayutakasugasatochitenshokutochigenburinosatochinosatochiminatokushinhokutoshokaho chishafuwaku 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) Wow! That's impressive! Congratulations for winning the first ever Kousokufuku-sho 拘束服賞 (Golden Straight Jacket Award) ;-) by the way, can you say that monster snake word in the same breath? Edited March 3, 2015 by kuroimori 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,299 Posted March 3, 2015 Ako - Koba it´s trivial for you?That sequence is incomplete, there are shikona to continue with after Koba. Trivial are chains that terminate immediately after the first and only shikona, such as Genju, Irie or Kyokuhozan. Actually I was wrong about Chiyooume - Meisei, I was only looking for two-letter continuations (which don't exist at either side, it's unique for two-shikona chains in that), but of course it's possible to continue with *chi and Sei*. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) The idea behind the "banned" Shikona was to keep the game short and to reward quick entries. But because I don't want to make you angry and I have a lot of respect for the work of Chishafuwaku and Achiyama (sorry for wasting your time by the way), I decided (better: I was forced ;-)) to change the rule as it was suggested. Everybody is allowed to pick any Shikona on the current Banzuke (but not more than once). The players who already entered the game are free to make another try although I believe the Yusho decision has already been made. Here are the points for Chishafuwaku and Achiyama: Chishafuwaku: 587 total letters + 172 connection letters + 144 bonus points = 903 points (even 75 Kaiho was correct. I thought he retired some years ago) :-) (bonus points for Aonosho (7, including Onosho), Nankairiki (10), Kaiho (5, both including Kai), Wakayamanaka (12, including Yamana), Sadanosato (10), Mienosato (9), Wakanosato (10) Kisenosato (10), Kasugasato (10), Burinosato (10), Tochinosato (10), Hokutosato (10, all including Sato), Hokutohomare (12), Hokutohana (10), Hokutosho (9) and Hokutosato (10, all including Hokuto)) Achiyama: Unfortunately you wrote "Hokutowaka" twice (21 & 38) so I counted 1 - 37. 254 total letters + 72 connection letters + 74 bonus points = 400 points (bonus points for Sadanosato (10), Wakanosato (10), Tochisato (9), Tochinosato (11), Mienosato (9, all including Sato), Hokutohana (10), Hokutowaka, Hokutogo (8, all including Hokuto) and Aonosho (7, including Onosho)) Many thanks for your entries (I didn't expect responses this huge) By the way: Even with the old rule, chishafuwaku would have taken the lead with 205 points for the section from 31 to 49 (30 Honda and 50 Matsuda were banned). So you see: It was not impossible to do it! Edited March 4, 2015 by Tenshinhan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Looks like Achiyama has deleted his post. Here is for what he got the points: 1. Takayoshitoshi 2. Hisatsukasa 3. Sagatsukasa 4. Sadanosato 5. Tochigenbu 6. Bungonishiki 7. Kitataiki 8. Kisenowaka 9. Kawabata 10. Takanoiwa 11. Wakanosato 12. Tosayutaka 13. Kaganohana 14. Nakao 15. Aoi 16. Oiwato 17. Tokushinho 18. Hokutohana 19. Nagao 20. Aonosho 21. Hokutowaka 22. Kanamori 23. Rikito 24. Tochiminato 25. Tochisato 26. Tokutaiho 27. Hokutogo 28. Goshi 29. Higohikari 30. Rikiyushi 31. Hirose 32. Seito 33. Tochinosato 34. Tokachiumi 35. Mienosato 36. Toyonoshima 37. Masunosho 38. Hokutowaka (for the second time) leading to: Takayoshitoshisatsukasagatsukasadanosatochigenbungonishikitataikisenowakawabatakanoiwakanosatosayutakaganohanakaoiwatokushinho kutohanagaonoshokutowakanamorikitochiminatochisatokutaihokutogoshigohikarikiyushiroseitochinosatokachiumienosatoyonoshimasunosho Edited March 4, 2015 by Tenshinhan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achiyama 1,272 Posted March 4, 2015 Looks like Achiyama has deleted his post. Here is for what he got the points: 1. Takayoshitoshi 2. Hisatsukasa 3. Sagatsukasa 4. Sadanosato 5. Tochigenbu 6. Bungonishiki 7. Kitataiki 8. Kisenowaka 9. Kawabata 10. Takanoiwa 11. Wakanosato 12. Tosayutaka 13. Kaganohana 14. Nakao 15. Aoi 16. Oiwato 17. Tokushinho 18. Hokutohana 19. Nagao 20. Aonosho 21. Hokutowaka 22. Kanamori 23. Rikito 24. Tochiminato 25. Tochisato 26. Tokutaiho 27. Hokutogo 28. Goshi 29. Higohikari 30. Rikiyushi 31. Hirose 32. Seito 33. Tochinosato 34. Tokachiumi 35. Mienosato 36. Toyonoshima 37. Masunosho 38. Hokutowaka (for the second time) leading to: Takayoshitoshisatsukasagatsukasadanosatochigenbungonishikitataikisenowakawabatakanoiwakanosatosayutakaganohanakaoiwatokushinho kutohanagaonoshokutowakanamorikitochiminatochisatokutaihokutogoshigohikarikiyushiroseitochinosatokachiumienosatoyonoshimasunosho I am sorry. I deleted it by mistake. (Oops!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufakiyama 16 Posted March 4, 2015 ororaoiyamaetamawashidenoumiyakojimasunoyamasutenryukisenosatochiozan picked Rikishi: Orora, Rao, Aoiyama, Maeta, Tamawashi, Hidenoumi, Miyakojima, Masunoyama, Masutenryu, Ryuki, Kisenosato, Tochiozan rao is rao, not raou, thats what the english translation problem sources say ‹ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufakiyama 16 Posted March 4, 2015 (even 75 Kaiho was correct. I thought he retired some years ago) :-) He did, in 2010 :(, 'tis a different kaiho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshinhan 1,612 Posted March 4, 2015 (even 75 Kaiho was correct. I thought he retired some years ago) :-) He did, in 2010 :(, 'tis a different kaiho. Thanks but I know. This was meant to be a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
