Andonishiki 170 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) Welcome to the second basho of the revived Salary Cup Sumo ! Please send your teams to SCS2013@LIVE.COM deadline: noon, 12pm, Tokyo time on Sunday, July 7th, 2013 Rules: a) Each player has 1000 Yen to pick a team of rikishi from below price list b) Each team consists of a minimum of 4 rikishi c) Place the selected rikishi in the order of expected number of wins, top rikishi has his wins multiplied by 10, second by 9, third by 8, and so on. Points: Wins: 3 points Ginboshi: adds 3 extra wins to the rikishi's win count Kinboshi: adds 5 extra wins to the rikishi's win count Special prices: 12 points each Yusho: 50 points Jun-Yusho: 32 points Tiebreaker rules unchanged - see Natsu basho. Pricing: Hakuho 469 Chiyotairyu 123 Aran 119 Harumafuji 417 Aminishiki 126 Chiyonokuni 107 Kisenosato 259 Kyokutenho 119 Daido 113 Kotoshogiku 216 Fujiazuma 112 Tochinoshin 121 Kakuryu 213 Ikioi 123 Kaisei 114 Kotooshu 177 Toyonoshima 124 Kotoyuki 105 Myogiryu 158 Baruto 141 Tamawashi 102 Goeido 153 Okinoumi 129 Jokoryu 116 Shohozan 127 Takarafuji 117 Masunoyama 112 Tokitenku 119 Yoshikaze 115 Tamaasuka 99 Takekaze 116 Toyohibiki 117 Wakanosato 103 Takayasu 122 Kitataiki 116 Sokokurai 95 Tochiozan 135 Aoiyama 120 Tokushoryu 97 Gagamaru 119 Sadanofuji 111 Shotenro 108 Thank you for all your critics & suggestions for the game. Obviously the x-tra points were not a decisive factor in Natsu 2013, so there were upgraded for Nagoya. To increase the number of strategies, the minimum rikishi in a team was reduced to 4. Kachikoshi points were abolished Please keep improvement suggestions coming ! GOOD LUCK Edited July 18, 2013 by Andonishiki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,688 Posted July 2, 2013 top rikishi has his wins multiplied by 10, second by 9, third by 8, and so on. Points: Wins: 3 points Ginboshi: adds 3 extra wins to the rikishi's win count Kinboshi: adds 5 extra wins to the rikishi's win count Special prices: 12 points each Yusho: 50 points Jun-Yusho: 32 points A ginboshi is worth more than the yusho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 2, 2013 Asashosakari, can u elaborate on your thought ? not sure, if I understand your calculation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,688 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) Asashosakari, can u elaborate on your thought ? not sure, if I understand your calculation... You've written that the rikishi's wins are subject to the multiplier, which implies that the points calculation is: Points = (wins * multiplier) * 3 + bonuses. Gin/kinboshi give extra wins, so a ginboshi would be worth up to 90 points, while the yusho/sansho bonuses don't get multiplied at all. 90 points > 50 points. Edited July 2, 2013 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achiyama 1,247 Posted July 2, 2013 I think Asashosakari has a point here. Even I think, the total of such bout comes to 120 points. max for ginboshi ( 3 extra wins, total 4 wins * 3 points/win = 12 points, and if you have this Maegashira on spot #1, 12 multiplied by 10 = 120 points). For kinboshi the same case equals to 180 points. I think ginboshi and kinboshi should be awarded additional points only, say 20 for kinboshi and 10 for ginboshi, or whatever points you decide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achiyama 1,247 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) i have another question. In case there are 2 or more Jun-yusho winners: 1.) Does every Jun-yusho winner get 32 points? or 2.) 32 points are divided by the number of Jun-yusho winners, and the resulting points are asigned to each Jun-yusho winner. Say, 2 Jun-yusho winners = 16 points for each of them, 3 Jun-yusho winners = 10.67 points for each of them, 4 Jun-yusho winners = 8 points for each of them, etc. Edited July 2, 2013 by Achiyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pandaazuma 1,310 Posted July 3, 2013 Andonishiki...thanks for all your hard work on the game. Much appreciated. Yes, clearly there's undue weight on the bonus points for kinboshi and ginboshi. Perhaps, like the special prizes, these could be just a single bonus score? Too late to change the rules for this basho, but this is a good game so I hope we can all (via suggestions) come up with a good balanced set of rules for Aki...and then it can reclaim its deserved spot on the Superbanzuke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,688 Posted July 3, 2013 I think Asashosakari has a point here. Even I think, the total of such bout comes to 120 points. max for ginboshi ( 3 extra wins, total 4 wins * 3 points/win = 12 points, and if you have this Maegashira on spot #1, 12 multiplied by 10 = 120 points).360 actually, 90 per ginboshi. With the rules given in the OP, a ginboshi is worth 3 wins = 9 points, to be multipled by the slot value, so up to 9*10 points. I dunno, maybe that's not the intended result and there's just some serious mixing-up of "wins" and "points" in the stated rules? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nomadwolf 8 Posted July 4, 2013 I got an email notification of a post by Andonishiki about a rules update to go closer to the original rules, but it seems to have been deleted. Was this intentional? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 4, 2013 yes, that was intentional... I found out yesterday with the help of Doitsuyama, that my 'new' rules were radically changing the nature of the game... I had never 100% understood the "old" rules and I got really angry of myself being so stupid... Basic difference: "old" Gusoyama rules: add ALL points of one rikishi together (wins, yusho, kinboshi, etc) and then multiply with rank (10,9,8, etc) "new" andonishiki rules: take points for win only, then multiply with rank. Add extra points for yusho, kinboshi etc at the end.... I hereby confess, that changing the game so much was not intentional ! Further I think the old rules are better and should be reinstated.... I already had a draft ready for going back to old rules - with some slight modifications - but I deleted it, as already more than ten players have submitted teams and changing the rules now looks really bad. It might be the best, if I post my new version of rules in a seperate thread in this forum, that gamers can discuss them and install them for aki basho 2013 as Pandaazuma suggested. apologies for a the confusion it's not easy to step into gusoyama's shoes they are BIIIIIG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 5, 2013 update 23:46h Japan time on Friday: 22 entries. Keep 'em coming! Can we top the 42 from Natsu? Baruto is out - if you picked him, pls resubmit your team... if you don't he will drop to the last rank of your team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GONZABUROW 0 Posted July 6, 2013 10 Hakuho 9 Myogiryu 8 Okinoumi 7 Tochiozan 6 Shotenro GONZABUROW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) It's about time.... time for a quick look at what happened so far. 48 entrants, a plus of more than 10%, THANK YOU. 28 players picked Hakuho, 12 players chose a team of only four rikishi, coz they wanted both Hakuho AND Kisenosato in their team. The below ranking is after day 11 WITHOUT any extra points for kinboshi, ginboshi. I plan to post my spreadsheet very soon. The current leader has chosen the following team, scoring 45 wins so far. 10 Kisenosato, 9 Goeido, 8 Tochiozan, 7 Aoiyama, 6 Okinoumi, 5 Wakanosato, 4 Sokokurai. Rank Player points 1 Wamahada 975 2 Kitakachiyama 960 3 chishafuwaku 954 4 Vikanohara 954 5 GONZABUROW 945 6 Larissi 927 7 Doitsuyama 912 8 Pandaazuma 903 9 Chisaiyama 888 10 mishashimaru 885 11 kuroimori 885 12 Jejima 885 13 Taka 885 14 Gibuten 879 15 Sebunshu 870 16 Achiyama 864 17 Andonishiki 864 18 Gaijingai 861 19 Fuseigou 855 20 Zenjimoto 855 21 Screeching Owl 840 22 Tikosan 834 23 Haidouzo 834 24 Terarno 831 25 Bunjiman 828 26 Kaiowaka 825 27 Konosato 822 28 Randomitsuki 819 29 Tosahayate 810 30 Kotononami 807 31 kamogawa 804 32 Marimo 801 33 Frinkanohana 801 34 Ganzohnesushi 801 35 Fuheika 798 36 Yoohoo 771 37 Heikotoriki 765 38 Aoyume 765 39 Flohru 741 40 Kaiomitsuki 723 41 Ruziklao 714 42 Pitinosato 702 43 Marushiki 690 44 Torafujii 693 45 aderechelseamaru 690 46 Neko 630 47 Holleshoryu 627 48 Mmikaazuma 513 @ Torafujii and Mmikaazuma I never received a mail from you after your first team set-up, which included Baruto.... Therefore I set Baruto on the last spot of your team. If that mail got lost in web space or was caught by the NSA, pls resend with time stamp and error message (if any). Kamogawa has yet to doublecheck my spreadsheet greets Andonishiki SALARY CAP SUMO is proudly sponsored by helideluxe2010 - the premium model helicopter channel on youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/helideluxe2010 Edited July 17, 2013 by Andonishiki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 18, 2013 after day 12 - Wamahada still in the lead, Vikanohara climbed 2 ranks to second, Kitakachiyama dropped 1 to third. Five players have jumped over the 1000 point barrier already. Rank Player points 1 Wamahada 1086 2 Vikanohara 1047 3 Kitakachiyama 1047 4 GONZABUROW 1026 5 chishafuwaku 1014 6 Larissi 993 7 Chisaiyama 990 8 Doitsuyama 987 9 Pandaazuma 972 10 Andonishiki 972 11 Taka 969 12 mishashimaru 963 13 kuroimori 963 14 Gibuten 957 15 Jejima 957 16 Screeching Owl 951 17 Achiyama 951 18 Sebunshu 945 19 Zenjimoto 945 20 Gaijingai 939 21 Tikosan 933 22 Terarno 933 23 Fuseigou 930 24 Bunjiman 924 25 Konosato 915 26 Haidouzo 915 27 Kaiowaka 906 28 Kotononami 903 29 Randomitsuki 894 30 Tosahayate 891 31 kamogawa 879 32 Fuheika 879 33 Frinkanohana 873 34 Yoohoo 870 35 Marimo 858 36 Ganzohnesushi 855 37 Heikotoriki 843 38 Aoyume 831 39 Flohru 825 40 Kaiomitsuki 798 41 Ruziklao 795 42 Pitinosato 759 43 aderechelseamaru 756 44 Torafujii 750 45 Marushiki 744 46 Neko 732 47 Holleshoryu 708 48 Mmikaazuma 543 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted July 18, 2013 Even with Tochinoshin in 2nd spot ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 18, 2013 @ Vikanohara - at current stage without calculation of extra points YES. cause Kise on 10 is not bad and your guys on 8 Oki, 7 Aoi, 5 Ozan and 4 Masunoyama all do quite well. Your total number of wins is 50 after day 12, same as Wamahada ! A third player has 50 wins, that is Taka, but he got Tochinoshin on 10 and Toyonoshima on 9, so he's only 11th overall. I'm currently working on the kinboshi / ginboshi inclusion till day 12, I expect a lot of changes after that calculation is done. stay tuned Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 18, 2013 wow. till day 12, we have seen 2 Kinboshi - Takayasu and Chiyotairyu and 7 (seven !) Ginboshi (3x Ozan, 2x Takayasu, 1x each Chiyotairyu & Aminishiki) honestly, that is MUCH more, than I have expected. the rules say, Ginboshi: adds 3 extra wins to the rikishi's win countKinboshi: adds 5 extra wins to the rikishi's win count therefore.... Takayasu 3+3+5 = adds 11 extra wins Tochiozan 3+3+3 = adds 9 extra wins Chiyotairyu 3+5 = adds 8 extra wins Aminishiki adds 3 extra wins Lets's have a look, how many times, these heros have been chosen into a SCS Team: no one has chosen Takayasu. 4 players have chosen Aminishiki 3 players have chosen Chiyotairyu 21 players have chosen Tochiozan Ranking after day 12 including kin & ginboshi: Rank Player points 1 Pandaazuma 1470 2 chishafuwaku 1446 3 Wamahada 1302 4 Kitakachiyama 1290 5 GONZABUROW 1215 6 Larissi 1209 7 Randomitsuki 1209 8 Zenjimoto 1188 9 Vikanohara 1182 10 mishashimaru 1179 11 kuroimori 1179 12 Doitsuyama 1176 13 Taka 1158 14 Gibuten 1146 15 Achiyama 1140 16 Frinkanohana 1116 17 Ganzohnesushi 1098 18 Tosahayate 1080 19 Marimo 1074 20 kamogawa 1023 21 Chisaiyama 990 22 Andonishiki 972 23 Torafujii 966 24 Jejima 957 25 Screeching Owl 951 26 Sebunshu 945 27 Gaijingai 939 28 Tikosan 933 29 Terarno 933 30 Fuseigou 930 31 Bunjiman 924 32 Konosato 915 33 Haidouzo 915 34 Marushiki 906 35 Kaiowaka 906 36 Kotononami 903 37 Fuheika 879 38 Aoyume 873 39 Yoohoo 870 40 Heikotoriki 843 41 Flohru 825 42 Kaiomitsuki 798 43 Ruziklao 795 44 Pitinosato 759 45 aderechelseamaru 756 46 Neko 732 47 Holleshoryu 708 48 Mmikaazuma 543 note: panda has Toichiozan, Ami and Chiyotairyu in his team ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 19, 2013 Day 13 - no new kin or ginboshis The panda still in the lead, but only 3 points left to chishafuwaku in second place. Wamahada remains third, but Mt. Kitakachi is katching up fast. 30 players have crossed the 1000-point barrier. Rank Player points 1 Pandaazuma 1518 2 chishafuwaku 1515 3 Wamahada 1377 4 Kitakachiyama 1362 5 GONZABUROW 1314 6 Larissi 1287 7 Doitsuyama 1275 8 Zenjimoto 1272 9 Randomitsuki 1260 10 mishashimaru 1257 11 kuroimori 1257 12 Vikanohara 1254 13 Achiyama 1227 14 Taka 1227 15 Gibuten 1197 16 Frinkanohana 1188 17 Tosahayate 1161 18 Ganzohnesushi 1152 19 Marimo 1131 20 kamogawa 1125 21 Andonishiki 1077 22 Chisaiyama 1047 23 Screeching Owl 1023 24 Torafujii 1023 25 Sebunshu 1023 26 Tikosan 1020 27 Haidouzo 1017 28 Gaijingai 1014 29 Terarno 1014 30 Kotononami 1005 31 Bunjiman 993 32 Jejima 987 33 Konosato 984 34 Fuseigou 978 35 Yoohoo 969 36 Marushiki 963 37 Kaiowaka 963 38 Fuheika 960 39 Heikotoriki 921 40 Flohru 897 41 Aoyume 897 42 Ruziklao 876 43 Kaiomitsuki 870 44 Pitinosato 816 45 Neko 804 46 Holleshoryu 789 47 aderechelseamaru 789 48 Mmikaazuma 570 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted July 19, 2013 So there I go. (Sigh...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) as you may have noticed, the YUSHO was decided on day 13 already. for a busy sumogamer, there's sooo many other more important things, than a Yusho, so apologies for not including it into the ranking yday already. 26 players had Hakuko in their team, everyone gets additional 50 points. Here's the new ranking after day 13 including Yusho, Kin & Ginboshi. Panda's lead increases, GONZA & Doitsuyama climb one notch each, Rando & mischa climb 2 notches. Munich Flaucherboy kuroimori enters the TOP TEN. Rank Player points 1 Pandaazuma 1568 2 chishafuwaku 1515 3 Wamahada 1377 4 GONZABUROW 1364 5 Kitakachiyama 1362 6 Doitsuyama 1325 7 Randomitsuki 1310 8 mishashimaru 1307 9 kuroimori 1307 10 Larissi 1287 11 Zenjimoto 1272 12 Vikanohara 1254 13 Gibuten 1247 14 Frinkanohana 1238 15 Achiyama 1227 16 Taka 1227 17 Tosahayate 1211 18 Ganzohnesushi 1202 19 Marimo 1181 20 kamogawa 1125 21 Chisaiyama 1097 22 Andonishiki 1077 23 Torafujii 1073 24 Haidouzo 1067 25 Gaijingai 1064 26 Terarno 1064 27 Bunjiman 1043 28 Jejima 1037 29 Konosato 1034 30 Fuseigou 1028 31 Screeching Owl 1023 32 Sebunshu 1023 33 Tikosan 1020 34 Yoohoo 1019 35 Marushiki 1013 36 Kaiowaka 1013 37 Fuheika 1010 38 Kotononami 1005 39 Heikotoriki 971 40 Ruziklao 926 41 Flohru 897 42 Aoyume 897 43 Kaiomitsuki 870 44 Pitinosato 866 45 Holleshoryu 839 46 Neko 804 47 aderechelseamaru 789 48 Mmikaazuma 570 day 14 results likely to be posted at 18:15 Japan time on Saturday Edited July 21, 2013 by Andonishiki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 20, 2013 after day 14: Rank Player points 1 Pandaazuma 1616 2 chishafuwaku 1569 3 Wamahada 1458 4 Kitakachiyama 1449 5 GONZABUROW 1385 6 Larissi 1383 7 Randomitsuki 1361 8 mishashimaru 1358 9 kuroimori 1358 10 Zenjimoto 1353 11 Doitsuyama 1346 12 Frinkanohana 1307 13 Vikanohara 1299 14 Achiyama 1296 15 Gibuten 1289 16 Taka 1284 17 Tosahayate 1259 18 Ganzohnesushi 1247 19 Marimo 1232 20 kamogawa 1182 21 Chisaiyama 1145 22 Andonishiki 1143 23 Torafujii 1097 24 Tikosan 1095 25 Haidouzo 1094 26 Gaijingai 1091 27 Terarno 1091 28 Sebunshu 1089 29 Jejima 1079 30 Bunjiman 1070 31 Screeching Owl 1068 32 Yoohoo 1058 33 Marushiki 1058 34 Fuheika 1058 35 Konosato 1055 36 Fuseigou 1049 37 Kaiowaka 1040 38 Kotononami 1035 39 Heikotoriki 998 40 Flohru 972 41 Ruziklao 950 42 Kaiomitsuki 945 43 Aoyume 939 44 Pitinosato 914 45 aderechelseamaru 900 46 Neko 882 47 Holleshoryu 863 48 Mmikaazuma 627 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pandaazuma 1,310 Posted July 21, 2013 Grrr! Dammit...this doesn't count in the world championships, eh!? Oh well...I picked my lads based on the kinboshi/giboshi thing...I assume the rules will be different come September! Thanks for organizing the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 170 Posted July 21, 2013 Kisenosato & Kaisei scored both 11 wins, the 32 jun-yusho points need to be split in half. but a few players have both men in their team, i'm sure... as for sansho, only Takayasu gets one, but no-one has picked him. final scores to be posted within the next few hours. There might be a surprising change in the lead... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
