Kaji 1 Posted August 17, 2009 Hi, in the topic of discussing on for how long will Kaio remain fighting, my guess (a non-educated one, I must say), is that he will try to get to 100 Makuuchi tournaments (breaking Takamiyama's record of 97 presences; Kaio has already 96, so he just needs 4 more basho), and Chiyonofuji's record of 807 makuuchi victories (Kaio has already 790, so, at his current rate of victories --counting on a little help from his friends, the OBSC and some submissive rikishi-- he might get that in the begining of January basho. Perhaps the record of more career wins (Chiyonofuji's 1045) is out of range: at the current rate of victories he would need almost 2 years to get it. (Dificult but by no means impossible.) What do you think? Kaji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sokkenaiyama 81 Posted August 17, 2009 I think this's already been discussed at length elsewhere. I always thought Kaio would retire in Kyushu, but who can know for sure? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilovesumo 12 Posted August 17, 2009 And why would he want that record? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasanishiki 57 Posted August 17, 2009 Perhaps if he passed Chiyonofuji's makuuchi wins then he might retire after Kyushu. He would have the first two records you mention, and would have been able to make his swansongat his home basho. Hard to know. He doesn't outwardly seem to be motivatedby the records, but perhaps he is. Often it seems he is merely squeezing every last drop out of his body while he can. As they say "you are a long time retired", particularly in ozumo where are no comebacks are possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted August 20, 2009 Do you really expect him to say, "I'm just going for a couple more records, then I'll retire," something like that??? No, "I will keep on doing my own sumo as long as my body will let me," is what is expected of him so it is what he does. Besides, they hate knowing when someone is planning on retiring, whether it is when they get 8 losses and look like they'll drop to juryo or after their home tournament. It probably makes the aite think twice about giving them that 8th loss; would you want to be the guy who made Dejima retire? Do you want Kaio to lose on senshuraku of Kyushu basho, his last match? You don't want to set up things like that so its better not to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanvean 0 Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) ilovesumo, Harry: And why do people want to break records? Even though he keeps saying otherwise, I believe it has some meaning for him. But then of course, I think this is not a thing that would decide the moment of his retirement. He will compete until he feels he is unable to. It might be next basho, it might be next year. Edited August 20, 2009 by Sanvean Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 824 Posted August 20, 2009 It's certainly not uncommon for rikishi to set goals for themselves. Takamiyama wanted to fight in 100 makuuchi basho, continue until the age of 40 and compete in the new Kokugikan. (Sadly due to injury he wasn't able to achieve any of those). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orion 431 Posted August 20, 2009 It's certainly not uncommon for rikishi to set goals for themselves. Takamiyama wanted to fight in 100 makuuchi basho, continue until the age of 40 and compete in the new Kokugikan. (Sadly due to injury he wasn't able to achieve any of those). There's one other answer to the question "Why do you go on doing it when most of your contemporaries have retired?" -- "Because I can"; and when you can't cut it, then that's the time to retire. Records in themseves are not important to that sort of person; what matters is to be able to put in just another day at the office. Like you did yesterday. And last year. And ten years ago. And twenty years ago..... Orion been there, still doin' that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
