Zentoryu 154 Posted January 21, 2003 It's been reported on several news outlets and on the SML that Asashoryu suffered a couple of injuries during his loss to Kaiho. One was a muscle tear in his left leg, the other being a dislocated 4th toe. Asa is apparently in a great deal of pain, but has stated that he will continue to wrestle. Is the Yusho in Jeopardy??? Oh boy, what a disaster this would be for Sumo in general if Asa had to pull out now. Especially considering he was their only healthy Ozeki/Yokozuna (something is clearly wrong with Musoyama). (But, but...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted January 21, 2003 That would really blow, wouldn't it? Someone would end up winning the basho by sheer attrition... Dejima? Takamisakari? Takanotsuru? Kotomitsuki? Wakanosato? One of these, more than likely... Would sure go down in history as one of the most bizarre bashos, I think... One Yokozuna out, the other in, winning two controversial bouts, then injured and out, then back in, then loses, then intai, two Ozeki out, two other Ozeki stink badly, Yokozuna candidate injured and drops out of the Yusho race...possibly two other veterans facing retirement also (Akinoshima, Daizen?), and who would be the most bizarre Yusho winner...? Dejima? After his drop from Ozeki, and people writing him off already when he went lower Maegashira? Takanotsuru, the new sideburn King in just one tournament, taking that title from Toki, achieving more than the veteran has in his whole career so far in just one tourney? Takamisakari, the public's darling and most awkward character on tour? Wakanosato, who was about as bad as Tochiazuma was this time last time, and somehow manages to regain his strength? Kotomitsuki, who many people wrote off when he started the basho with two badly bandaged arms and looked real weak the first couple days? I can't wait to see what happens :) One thing that worries me, though: Asashoryu's injury, and it possibly having longer-term implications. What if he keeps wrestling and aggrevates the injury badly... no kosho for next time, first of all. Then, what if the injury takes a long long time to heal? I don't know, but partially torn muscle sounds pretty severe to me... what if it tears all the way? He may be kyujo for a while, and perhaps never be the same after that (playing the devil's advocate here)... and he might fade into Maegashira and eventually become another Hayateumi... instead of possibly the great Yokozuna we all think he would be. ***shudder*** Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted January 21, 2003 I can't wait to see what happens Hey, who knows ? If almost everybody get injured during the remaining days, even Toki could win it ? (Exclamation) (That was the joke of the day, of course) (Baaa...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted January 21, 2003 So THAT's what's going on... HOSHIFRANSU! *YOU* are behind all this, trying to make Toki the Yusho champion, aren't you??? :) Ah, here's a question for the historians... has it ever happened that a rikishi who went kyujo late in the tournament STILL won the Yusho (say, of they go 13 wins, and two absences)? Does one have to finish a basho to win the Yusho? Cheers! Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hashira 0 Posted January 21, 2003 i know you do not have to finish the basho to win yusho i remember reading aobut someone who got injured the second-to-last day and couldn't fight the final day, but still won with 14 wins, but i can't remember who or when it was...stupid brain, cuz im studying for exams now, all the IMPORTANT information like sumo is leaving my brain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted January 21, 2003 i know you do not have to finish the basho to win yusho i remember reading aobut someone who got injured the second-to-last day and couldn't fight the final day, but still won with 14 wins, but i can't remember who or when it was...stupid brain, cuz im studying for exams now, all the IMPORTANT information like sumo is leaving my brain I think you're right, I also remember reading about a rikishi who won a yusho after missing on the last day, or something like that. But I also can't remember who it was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 21, 2003 I think you're right, I also remember reading about a rikishi who won a yusho after missing on the last day, or something like that. But I also can't remember who it was. Yokozuna Wajima in Kyushu Basho 1973: In this match, recently promoted yokozuna Wajima was facing a man who was to become the greatest ozeki of all time; Takanohana I. At the tachi-ai or initial charge, both men opened their attacks fighting for an advantageous grip. Takanohana then proceeded to switch to a tsuppari or slapping attack but Wajima was able to get a left hand outside, right hand inside grip. At that instant the yokozuna launched his attack, pulling his opponent in and up to beat him by tsuridashi (lift out).That victory left Wajima with a perfect 12-0 record but it proved a costly one; in winning the match he tore the webbing between two fingers of his right hand. After receiving several stitches he attempted to fight the next day but lost. However, his two rivals in that tournament's championship race, sekiwake Kitanoumi and yokozuna Kotozakura both lost on that day as well. This automatically guaranteed Wajima his fourth top division title while allowing him to withdraw on the fourteenth day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted January 21, 2003 One thing that worries me, though: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted January 23, 2003 Actually theres a more recent occurrence in the 1988 Haru basho,whenChiyonofuji dislocated his shoulder fighting Onokuni on day 14,missed day 15 but still claimed his 27th basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted January 23, 2003 And since there is apparently no question our distinguished collection of forum experts can't answer :-D here is another one: :) So you don't have to finish a basho to win it, but do you have to start it? Rikishi have pulled out in the middle of the basho, but have they ever not started on day(s) 1 through x, then joined the action later? Anybody who ended up winning the Yusho even like this? Cheers! Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 23, 2003 Rikishi have pulled out in the middle of the basho, but have they ever not started on day(s) 1 through x, then joined the action later? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted January 23, 2003 So you don't have to finish a basho to win it, but do you have to start it? Rikishi have pulled out in the middle of the basho, but have they ever not started on day(s) 1 through x, then joined the action later? Anybody who ended up winning the Yusho even like this? As far as coming back and winning the Yusho, I don't know, but... I don't think there's a rule in place that says you can't win the Yusho if you don't start the basho. I mean it all comes down to wins, doesn't it? If you miss the first two days then come back and win 13 in a row and no one else has more than 12, shouldn't you win the Yusho? To say that you couldn't because you didn't start the tournament seems kinda ridiculous to me. I don't remember anyone ever missing shonichi and joining later. Does someone? It sounds surreal. Well, I may sticking my foot in my mouth, as I am not at all certain about this, but I could swear Konishiki once participated in a basho where he missed the first day. And if it wasn't Konishiki, maybe it was someone else? I could swear I've heard of this happening before, but I don't remember if it was on a TV special or something I read about on the SML. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 23, 2003 And if it wasn't Konishiki, maybe it was someone else? I could swear I've heard of this happening before, but I don't remember if it was on a TV special or something I read about on the SML. Haru Basho 1997 and Konishiki with hepatitis indeed. No wonder I didn't remember as I started following ozumo only later in 1997. :-D I would have thought participating a basho required presence on shonichi but apparently not. I don't know why but it just sounds like a reasonable requirement. Apparently not. Now I know better. :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
