Mark Buckton 1 Posted October 14, 2003 Can anyone explain to me why a book dated Heisei 15 gives Iwakiyama's stable as being Naka-dachi (beya) but a recent glance at the associations HP comes up with it as Sakaigawa (beya)? Same address etc etc but....? Any of you wiser heads shed some light on this for me? Ta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted October 14, 2003 (edited) Can anyone explain to me why a book dated Heisei 15 gives Iwakiyama's stable as being Naka-dachi (beya) but a recent glance at the associations HP comes up with it as Sakaigawa (beya)? Edited October 14, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted October 14, 2003 Thanks for that info Y- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,213 Posted October 14, 2003 Nakadachi-oyakata swapped toshiyori stocks (his name as an oyakata/stable boss) with Sakaigawa-oyakata when the latter retired. And the whole thing has been puzzling me ever since. Was there some relation between the old and the new Sakaigawa that prompted them to do that swap? Or does the Sakaigawa kabu have such a super-important history that it's a bigger honor for the heya to be named Sakaigawa (now that the kabu became available) instead of Nakadachi? (Whistling...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted October 14, 2003 Off Topic- Welcome aboard Adachi- Take time out to introduce yourself properly in the members introductions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiyozakura 163 Posted October 15, 2003 Current Sakaigawa Oyakata is former Komusubi Ryogoku of Dewanoumi Beya. His Shisho, former Yokozuna Sadanoyama, was elected Rijicho in 1992 (if my memory serves me well...) and some time later he handed over his Heya to Washuyama, his former deshi and current Dewanoumi Oyakata. The old Dewanoumi took the name of Sakaigawa Oyakata. Ryogoku took the Oyakata name of Nakadachi, which as far as I know does not have an important history. Shortly before Ex-Sadanoyama retired he gave the Sakaigawa name, which if not a big heya at least stood for a Rijicho, to Ex-Ryogoku, using the Nakadachi name for the last weeks of his Kyokai career. So Iwakiyama fought in Makuuchi as a Nakadachi Beya rikishi for one basho, since then he is a Sakaigawa Beya rikishi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,213 Posted October 15, 2003 The old Dewanoumi took the name of Sakaigawa Oyakata. Ryogoku took the Oyakata name of Nakadachi, which as far as I know does not have an important history. Shortly before Ex-Sadanoyama retired he gave the Sakaigawa name, which if not a big heya at least stood for a Rijicho, to Ex-Ryogoku, using the Nakadachi name for the last weeks of his Kyokai career. That's shedding some light on the matter...thanks! (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted October 15, 2003 Off Topic-Welcome aboard Adachi- Take time out to introduce yourself properly in the members introductions. Fujisan, would be happy to post an intro on myself but I'm not aware where the 'members intro' section is bar the info all can get by clicking on my name. May be off topic and if anyone gets annoyed by that apologies in advance - from England like yourself - south Manchester - got into sumo once I got here some years back - here being the northern Tokyo area. Lots of access to the stables due to location and regular visits took me to Tamanoi and Azumazeki in the last 2 weeks - Tamanoi and the former Naka-dachi next week as well as Musahigawa to do a piece for a local bi-lingual (E/J) magazine I contribute to. Guess everything else is on the page you get when you click my name. Thanks to all for the above info. ANR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted October 15, 2003 (edited) Off Topic-Welcome aboard Adachi- Take time out to introduce yourself properly in the members introductions. Fujisan, would be happy to post an intro on myself but I'm not aware where the 'members intro' section is bar the info all can get by clicking on my name. May be off topic and if anyone gets annoyed by that apologies in advance - from England like yourself - south Manchester - got into sumo once I got here some years back - here being the northern Tokyo area. Lots of access to the stables due to location and regular visits took me to Tamanoi and Azumazeki in the last 2 weeks - Tamanoi and the former Naka-dachi next week as well as Musahigawa to do a piece for a local bi-lingual (E/J) magazine I contribute to. Guess everything else is on the page you get when you click my name. Thanks to all for the above info. ANR Hello and welcome! (Eh?) Btw, what Fujisan-zeki was referring to was the "Member Introductions" subforum. If you look at the start page and scroll down to "Non-Sumo related subjects" you will find "Member Introductions" as the first one. (Laughing...) Edited October 15, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted October 15, 2003 Like I said Adachi welcome aboard,especially knowing you are a fellow Englander theres far to few of us. Like Yubi said check down the site at the non sumo related for member introductions and while your down there check the 'off topic' sub forum where there is a poll on which country your from,so far I am the only English member to take part,Im getting lonely there. The only other regular from England is Jomojo and hes from your neck of the woods Leeds to be exact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted October 16, 2003 Like I said Adachi welcome aboard,especially knowing you are a fellow Englander theres far to few of us.Like Yubi said check down the site at the non sumo related for member introductions and while your down there check the 'off topic' sub forum where there is a poll on which country your from,so far I am the only English member to take part,Im getting lonely there. The only other regular from England is Jomojo and hes from your neck of the woods Leeds to be exact. It's all on there now Fujisan - for the world to see as they say. ANR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted October 17, 2003 What a soap opera these kabu swaps are :-/ ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
