Makunouchi demotion

[Gernobono 467]

hi sumo-statistics-gurus

i recently was surfing through chiyozakuras website and came across the makunouchi results of kyushu basho 1995....the only demotion from makunouchi was kiraiho and tamakasuga was promoted from juryo.....as i was looking at the results in detail i realized that kiraiho could have gotten a kk with all the other rikishi at the end of makunouchi could problably have gotten lower kks and therefore there might have been no demotion to juryo......has this ever happened?....at least since WW II.....

i was just thinking about getting some 12-3 as J1e and not being promoted because the worst makunouchi is some 7-8 at M13e.....just look at the kyushu 1995 results at

http://www.sumoinfo.de/Basho/1995/November...ember_1995.html

[Chiyozakura 163]

In Haru 1996 no Makuuchi rikishi was demoted but Kirishima retired, making place for one Juryo. In May 1997 there was no Makuuchi demotion M#14w Yamato beeing the closest to demotion with a 7-8. He only fell to 15w. So Chiyotaikai, who had a 9-6 as Juryo #1w was moved to Juryo #1e.

[Asashosakari 20,213]

In Haru 1996 no Makuuchi rikishi was demoted but Kirishima retired, making place for one Juryo. In

Edited June 14, 2003 by Asashosakari

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Anyone remember that basho (from 80's?) where more or less everyone in the lower half of makuuchi got a 8-7 and couldn't be demoted? Or have I been hallucinating again? :-D

[Asashosakari 20,213]

Anyone remember that basho (from 80's?) where more or less everyone in the lower half of makuuchi got a 8-7 and couldn't be demoted? Or have I been hallucinating again? :-D

Maybe Kyushu 1985, moto-Ozeki Kotokaze's retirement basho?

Kyushu 1987 looks like a good candidate, too...

Looking at those results, there do seem to be lots and lots of bashos from around 1984-1988 in which very few low-ranked rikishi went make-koshi, often as little as 1 or 2 out of the last 10+ maegashira. Perhaps that's the answer to my own question about why the number of Makuuchi rikishi fluctuated so wildly at that time. :-P I'm not a fan of the y-word at all, but I guess with those results, it's not so surprising that people have claimed that era as a prime period of yaocho...

Edited June 14, 2003 by Asashosakari

[Manekineko 200]

I know this is going :-D , but.

Does anyone else think that new no-kosho rule might spawn another golden era for yaocho? Less risk of injury, less risk of falling down from salaried ranks, and if the bout looks attractive all the better for audience... :-P

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

I know this is going :-D , but.

Does anyone else think that new no-kosho rule might spawn another golden era for yaocho? Less risk of injury, less risk of falling down from salaried ranks, and if the bout looks attractive all the better for audience... :-P

Yes, I was thinking that too... I hope we're wrong though...

[Asashosakari 20,213]

I know this is going  :-D , but.

Does anyone else think that new no-kosho rule might spawn another golden era for yaocho? Less risk of injury, less risk of falling down from salaried ranks, and if the bout looks attractive all the better for audience...  :-(

Yes, I was thinking that too... I hope we're wrong though...

I don't think it necessarily takes yaocho for that same effect, under those circumstances. Imagine you're a mid-Maegashira who's fortunate enough to stand 8-5 after 13 days. Right now, you have nothing to lose by going all out in your last two bouts...you've got KK anyway and if you do get injured, you get kosho for the next basho, preserving your mid-/high-Maegashira rank, but with a 10-5 you could possibly get into Sanyaku with some luck.

But without kosho...who's going to risk their health just to be M1 instead of M4, if the downside is that a potential injury could send you to the bottom of Makuuchi or even into Juryo with only one missed tournament. Better take a safe 8-7 and stay injury-free...

I'm still hoping the whole thing was just hot air from Kitanoumi and it won't be implemented the way he envisions it. :-P

[Fujisan 533]

I bet Taikai wasnt too happy about missing out,I wouldnt have been.

You can almost hear him cursing the first moment he gets on his own.

(Sorry should have used the quote there,I think you know what Im talking about)

Edited June 15, 2003 by Fujisan

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

hi sumo-statistics-gurus

i recently was surfing through chiyozakuras website and came across the makunouchi results of kyushu basho 1995....the only demotion from makunouchi was kiraiho and tamakasuga was promoted from juryo.....as i was looking at the results in detail i realized that kiraiho could have gotten a kk with all the other rikishi at the end of makunouchi could problably have gotten lower kks and therefore there might have been no demotion to juryo......has this ever happened?....at least since WW II.....

i was just thinking about getting some 12-3 as J1e and not being promoted because the worst makunouchi is some 7-8 at M13e.....just look at the kyushu 1995 results at

http://www.sumoinfo.de/Basho/1995/November...ember_1995.html

With the topic somewhat straying, I

Edited July 24, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

I said it before and I say it again... When I talk bullshit please correct me (Pulling hair...)

As attentive readers already have noticed (that is no one I suppose since no one have replied (In a state of confusion...) ) I of course happened to miss THREE more basho with no Makunouchi promotions, all of them close enough to even be in living memory... That teaches me to write something without checking ALL data (In a state of confusion...)

Anyway, for completeness (and I strive for it... ) there are three more occasions with no promotions, namely:

After the 1995.07 basho

http://www.juryo.com/banzuke/95-07.htm

After the 1997.07 basho

http://www.juryo.com/banzuke/97-05.htm

And after the 1998.01 basho

http://www.juryo.com/banzuke/98-01.htm

I assume there are STILL mistakes, but I can only correct what I know of, so for now, that

[Yoavoshimaru 0]

This is an interesting topic. A bit of a pain to research as you have to look at all the banzuke, or to have been around sumo long enough to actually remember these events... (In a state of confusion...)