Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 9, 2003 In one day tournament held on Sunday in front of 9796 spectators at Kokugikan Wakatenro surprisingly won the juryo division. In Makuuchi 4 remaining rikishi after early elimination rounds were Musoyama, Asashoryu, Wakanosato and Tokitsuumi. Musoyama beat Tokitsuumi with oshidashi to make his way to final whereas new yokozuna Asashoryu was manhandled by Wakanosato who shows promising power now after already having done quite well in Haru basho. He is one of the few totally injury-free high class rikishi. In the final Musoyama bulldozed Waka to acclaim nice computer + 2,5 million yen prize money or should I write 250 man yen :-P Musoyama said he was pleased with his performance and joyed over his healthy status which hasn't been the case for some time now. He hopes to maintain health and genkiness for Haru basho and show some powerful sumo. Asashoryu was disappointed in his loss and said he lacked strength in legs. He will fly to Mongolia tomorrow where people come to tap his shoulders and congratulate him a lot! Official speeches may occur since some of the festivities are very official with government participation and all. Other news: Chiyotaikai and Kaio training, not together yet though. Taikai did a lot of keiko with Chiyotenzan (who may have problems with high sugar level in blood implying to diabetes) and is looking forward to Haru. Kaio had 33 training bouts against Sentoryu, Tanaka and others. He says he is still in only 40% shape but showed strong sumo without much worrying about his arm. Evidently he won 29 bouts and "let his opponent" push him out 4 times. That is what was said, go figure! :-) Taking good care of his back with chiropractic treatment in addition to training and aiming for good success in Haru basho showing smiling face and high spirit. http://www.sponichi.co.jp/others/kiji/2003/02/10/08.html http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/hochi/sports/feb/o20030209_40.htm http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/hochi/sports/feb/o20030208_35.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted February 10, 2003 Asashoryu was manhandled by Wakanosato who shows promising power now after already having done quite well in Haru basho. Now he beats him... And I think you meant Hatsu Basho. In the final Musoyama bulldozed Waka to acclaim nice computer + 2,5 million yen prize money or should I write 250 man yen Now he shows some character. Maybe he really wanted that computer... Evidently he won 29 bouts and "let his opponent" push him out 4 times. That is what was said, go figure! That means he lost 4 times. Nothing more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 10, 2003 In one day tournament held on Sunday in front of 9796 spectators at Kokugikan How often are these tournaments held? Do they count for anything with the Kyokai, or just for the fans and some prize money? Wakanosato healthy is good, but I'd still pick Asashoryu over him 90% of the time :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 10, 2003 That means he lost 4 times. Nothing more. The point was that the article which was not necessarily the one listed in links (and translation help from Japanese person) spesifically mentioned he "intended to be pushed out". That sounded so odd in the context that it was worth mentioning as never had I heard such phrase. The articles often use the "lend one's chest" (also in context of training bouts) when makuuchi rikishi trains against makushita and lower so the concept of the possible "intentional" defeats for training purposes may bear some significance. It would be interesting to know how far superior rikishi adapts his sumo to lower ranked rikishi' sumo in order to get a good work-out. If I'd be an ozeki and fought dozens of bouts against makushita rikishi I would definitely "give room" to my foe and let him get me in trouble at the edge or offer him perfect oshi-position to get training in defense. This is why it would be soooooooooo interesting to actually see keiko between makuuchi and makushita rikishi! The details would shed a light. Once it was reported that genki Musoyama trained with Buyuzan losing all the time and Buyuzan was then just getting up to makuuchi I think. The reporter pondered whether Musoyama just gave Buyuzan a good work out and didn't simply go for a win in the bouts. This is all just really detailed stuff but interesting as such :-) These in between honbasho tournaments don't have any effect on rankings or anything concerning their status. I guess mostly it is just for the fans and especially during jungyo tours the chance to let people living far from honbasho arenas to see top rikishi wrestling live. Wakanosato healthy is good, but I'd still pick Asashoryu over him 90% of the time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted February 10, 2003 Sometimes saying let his opponent push him out 4 times means just that he lost 4 times, not that he intentionally lost. It's just a creative form of speech. Very popular in the russian language, I must say. If that is what was written in the original (I don't know japanese), I'd assume that it doesn't have any hidden implications. Now intented to be pushed out is altogether different and clearly means deliberate loss. So which one was it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 10, 2003 This is why it would be soooooooooo interesting to actually see keiko between makuuchi and makushita rikishi! Are practices ever open to the public? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted February 10, 2003 Are practices ever open to the public? Yes. Some heya open their doors for the public to view practice. But I'm told that one must call ahead to be sure that it is OK. I've also heard that some heya frown upon foreign visitors (they don't know how to act, etc) I'll let the more educated fill in the details. Sometimes saying let his opponent push him out 4 times means just that he lost 4 times, not that he intentionally lost. It's just a creative form of speech. Very popular in the russian language, I must say. To an American like myself, "let his opponent push him out 4 times," sounds like "he let his opponent win 4 times". The word "let" implies that he "allowed" his opponent to push him out. I guess it really depends on your own interpretation of it. :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 11, 2003 foreign visitors (they don't know how to act, etc) Seeing as how I would be a foreign visitor, what is the appropriate way to act when observing practice? Clearly I must be quiet and keep out of everyone's way, but is there anything else? BTW, Zentoryu-zeki, I count you among the "more educated" :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted February 11, 2003 Clearly I must be quiet and keep out of everyone's way, but is there anything else? Refrain from using flash in your camera. Use camera in the first place only if given a permission beforehand. Stay focused to whatever happens on the training area, don't talk loudly. Don't step onto the training area (especially women)! Besides, a small gift as a token of appreciation to the shisho will always make a favourable impression. But what do I know? Never been closer than 10 000 kms from Japan. Those things are just something I've read in the net. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,114 Posted February 11, 2003 Clearly I must be quiet and keep out of everyone's way, but is there anything else? Don't use a flash, like I did, TWICE, at Futagoyama.. No talking, eating,lying down, stretching your legs forward. It is really hard physically- the floor is usually wood, with no cushions, and it's a real ass-kicker.. But it shouldn't be a problem if you re a real fan and not a curious tourist wanting to see some "fat butts"..the whole experience is so exciting you forget eveything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 12, 2003 Don't use a flash, like I did, TWICE, at Futagoyama Wow, you got to attend practice! That's awesome. (Exclamation) How long was it? Was it very intense? Or were they more cautious and focused on teaching rather than winning? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 14, 2003 Bulgarian 202cm powerful Kotooshu injured his knee in training against sekitori opponent at Sadogatake-beya (must have been against Kotomitsuki, Kotonowaka or Kotoryu). Medial collateral ligament was injured in his right knee and Haru basho kyujo is inevitable according to doctor. http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/hochi/flash/hc_5.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted February 15, 2003 Medial collateral ligament was injured in his right knee and Haru basho kyujo is inevitable according to doctor. :~-( (Nervous...) (Going nuts...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 16, 2003 Medial collateral ligament was injured in his right knee and Haru basho kyujo is inevitable according to doctor. :~-( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 17, 2003 Musashimaru has warmed his big body in Hawaiji meeting family, hotels and sun + had a party without alcohol. Rehabilitation is intense and climate optimal. Desire to participate in Haru is evidently strong but no guarantees naturally. Maru will return to Japan tomorrow with rested mind, soul and body. He plans to restart keiko on 21st. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,114 Posted February 18, 2003 Wow, you got to attend practice! That's awesome. (Exclamation) How long was it? Was it very intense? Or were they more cautious and focused on teaching rather than winning? It was a week before Aki 98, and yes, it was intense, though Taka ,Waka, Akinoshima(injured) and Takatouriki were taking it easy doing mostly small barbell lifting and such, while the lower ranked were very busy and intense. Nami wasn't even there.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 26, 2003 Depending on the source figures alter but Asashoryu had 19 training bouts against Senshuyama, Toki, Asanowaka and Asasekiryu losing either 1 or 2 bouts to Asasekiryu which made him angry of course. Before Hatsu basho he lost to Kaiho 3 times in a row in training, got furious and demanded rematches so this guy definitely finds a loss as personal insult heh! Kaio is coming back. 25 training bouts at Tomozuna-camp yesterday. He has tape around his right arm and says he isn't ready yet but isn't bad either. At least he has done keiko for about a month now and shows vigour and determination. Musashimaru didn't step onto dohyo as keiko still isn't possible. Looks rather gloomy considering his prospects in taking part in Haru basho. http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/hochi/sports/feb/o20030225_40.htm http://www.sponichi.co.jp/others/kiji/2003/02/26/01.html http://www.sanspo.com/morespo/top/more2003...2003022602.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 26, 2003 Interesting news. Thank you Kaikitsune Makoto. Asasekiryu losing either 1 or 2bouts to Asasekiryu Maybe Asasekiryu is better than I thought??? so this guy definitely finds a loss as personal insult I think that's good. I like competitiveness and pride! Musashimaru didn't step onto dohyo as keiko still isn't possible. I don't think he'll be active in haru :-D Too bad. Still, maybe he will make a miraculous recovery! (Being an angel...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted February 26, 2003 Maybe Asasekiryu is better than I thought??? I've been following him through the lower divisions and recently have gotten to see him participate in Juryo bouts. He is definetly very promising. :-0 He seems to possess the same "never say die" fighting spirit as Asashoryu when on the dohyo. His yusho playoff match with Kasugao a couple of basho ago was a spectacle to behold, even though he ended up losing the bout. Musashimaru didn't step onto dohyo as keiko still isn't possible. Looksrather gloomy considering his prospects in taking part in Haru basho. I think it would be foolish for him to even try. He should wait until that hand is completely healed from the surgery. The kyokai is probably willing to give him the time he needs, especially after all the leeway they gave Taka, so he should take it. I doubt he'll miss much more than Haru anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 26, 2003 Chiyotaikai came to Takasago-camp to fight Takamisakari, Toki and Asashoryu. 8 bouts against Asashoryu but only 2 wins. Triceps injury is history and he intends to train hard at de-geiko for the last week before Haru. Kaio continued working against his heya-mates overwhelming them in 28 training bouts. He was protecting his right arm a bit saying "There is still some pain" but he was happy with the training and continues to prepare for Haru with devotion. Musoyama has practised abstinence from alcohol. He says it takes efficiency off from training so he has been on a water wagon. 12 bouts against Dejima, Miyabiyama and others winning 11. Akinoshima has some foot/leg injury and he reiterates he will quit if demotion to juryo will become inevitable. He has good motivation though and worked hard at Futagoyama-beya where also Tamanoshima had come to flow sweat and smell the Futagoyama-beya training atmosphere. http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/hochi/sports/feb/o20030226_10.htm http://www.sponichi.co.jp/others/kiji/2003/02/27/01.html http://www.sanspo.com/morespo/top/more2003...2003022701.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted February 27, 2003 I've been following him through the lower divisions and recently have gotten to see him participate in Juryo bouts. He is definetly very promising. Yes! Absolutely. I really look forward to seeing him in makuuchi this basho. He has already become one of my very favourites. I really enjoy his sumo and I think he will go far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted February 27, 2003 There is no doubt training with Asashoryu (and of course the oyakata and other coaches) has been very helpful to Asasekiryu. Looking at his page on the Kyokai site, I see Debut: January, 2000 Juryo Debut : July, 2002 Makuuchi Debut : March, 2003 Nice fast pace. Musoyama has practised abstinence from alcohol. He says it takes efficiency off from training so he has been on a water wagon. 12 bouts against Dejima, Miyabiyama and others winning 11. Wow, very good record for Musoyama. He too may be in better shape that I thought. Even without Musashimaru, it will be very exciting to have Kaio, Musoyama, Chiyotaikai back at or close to 100% (Exclamation) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted February 27, 2003 Musoyama has practised abstinence from alcohol. He says it takes efficiency off from training so he has been on a water wagon. 12 bouts against Dejima, Miyabiyama and others winning 11. Wow, very good record for Musoyama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted February 27, 2003 Yes Muso is always good in training.... Chiyotaikai lost to Asasekiryu. 4-2 to either Taikai or Sekiryu, I can't figure out which way but Asasekiryu was said to have beaten Taikai successively too during the session. Asashoryu took a day off. Sekiryu said he was able to beat Taikai for the first time in training. Taikai seems somehow off-tuned. Takamisakari also participated in training. Takanohana wore mawashi and gave training to lower rank rikishi. http://www.sponichi.co.jp/others/kiji/2003/02/28/01.html http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/hochi/sports/feb/o20030227_10.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted February 27, 2003 said he was able to beat Taikai for the first time in training. Taikai seems somehow off-tuned. Wonder if he still isn't completely healed. Kaio seems to getting better every day at least, though he still is said to have a tender shoulder. Hopefully it won't bother him when the basho finally starts. Wow, very good record for Musoyama. He too may be in better shape that I thought. The never ending story for him. Great in practice, like Tochinonada, then the basho comes around and, well... (Dozing off...) Maybe this time will be different... (Sarcasm...) (Huh?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
