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In my experience, that's one of the many great side-effects of playing sumo games, especially games like Makushita Game, Sandanme Game, Pick the Yusho Winners or now Perfect Team and Class Dismissed - you will occasionally learn things like that.. Thanks Wakatake for providing the latter two!

Not different at all (at least if the rookie does not strike back which, I believe, many would do nowadays). I understood your original comment differently and thought that you are comparing on- and off-court violence (= fights between athletes) in western sports with the case of this beating and I disagreed on that. I do agree that we have lost proportions, mainly due to all the recent scandals - but also due to the fact that there was (and, unfortunately still seems to be) a structural issue with and a culture of "hierachy-based" violence in sumo.

You're right, obviously, though I am unsure whether "bullying in the clubhouse" in western sports would (nowadays) include the kind of a blunt punishment beating that seems to have taken place here. In any case I just wanted to point out that it is problematic to compare cases of on-/ and off-court fights between athletes in any sports with what Takayoshitoshi did.

True, there is violence in every sports and someone watching e.g. ice hockey may find the calls for a police investigation in this case rather absurd. But then I guess it makes a difference if two (or more) athletes are fighting each other on (theoretically) equal terms or if one guy is simply beaten up by his senior. I assume that NBA or MLB would have a serious problem, too, if, say, a junior player is beaten up by a veteran because he failed to hand over a water bottle or a towel in time, at least if this is perceived to be a structural issue.

Not sure what you mean: neither Fujikawa nor Uminishiki even entered this basho with their injuries, they dropped out last basho after getting injured which was what Yubinhaad was referring to.

15 - Tamawashi 13 - Takakeisho 12 - Shodai 11 - Mitoryu 10 - Daishoho 9 - Tomokaze 8 - Tokimaru 7 - Tsukahara 6 - Naya

I think your team is already retired; at least Fujisan is not on the banzuke anymore (and not included in the ciber rikishi list). BTW: I have trouble entering Cibersumo every basho, because the password required is not the one I use for all the other sumo games - it is the name of my team oyakata. I think that password was set automatically in the past...

Mitakeumi Hokutofuji Yoshikaze Mitoryu Asanoyama Nishikifuji Ichiyamamoto Tanabe Tomokaze Shunba Tetsuyuzan Mitotsukasa Shiba Wakatakakage Kamiyutaka Alternate - Enho TB - Yago, Maeta

Yes, very sad to hear this; I was getting fond of Unstable Team. No need to excuse yourself, though: Thanks for providing these games and the 2nd League and all the best for you!

1. B 2. A 3. B 4. B 5. X 6. A 7. A 8. X 9. B 10. A 11. X 12. X 13. X 14. B 15. B 16. A 17. X 18. A 19. B 20. X 21. B

I assume you are right - a basho for the record books. Unfortunately I don't keep track of all the results, but since 2004 I had 7 yusho and 7 jun-yusho in this game and none came with less than 64 points...

Why would they? With that 5 basho record as yokozuna (39 wins) he would completely crush the number of wins by current yokozunae Kisenosato and Kakuryu taken together in their last 5 basho (26)! ;)

True of course, but given the fact that the assailant was 172 cm and 75 kg while the victim was 190 cm and 123 kg hierarchy may well played a role (assuming that the victim was in a position to defend himself).

Makuuchi 1 - 15/win: Hokutofuji Makuuchi 2 - 13/win: Asanoyama Makuuchi 3 - 12/win: Kagayaki Juryo 1 - 11/win: Mitoryu Juryo 2 - 10/win: Tokushoryu Makushita - 9/win: Yago Sandanme - 8/win: Shoji Jonidan - 7/win: Hayashi Jonokuchi - 6/win: Yoshoyama

Tokushino Aozora Yago Enho Tanabe Asanoyama Daishomaru Mitoryu Kizaki Hokutofuji Myogiryu Tomokaze Sotairyu Mitakeumi Wakatakakage Alternate: Tobizaru Tiebreaker 1: Tokushoryu Tiebreaker 2: Kaonishiki

x15 Daiamami x13 Ishiura x11 Daieisho x10 Kagayaki x9 Aminishiki x8 Ryuden x7 Takarafuji x6 Shohozan x5 Daishomaru

You cannot compare ACL cases of private persons/amateur athletes and professional athletes. Due to various reasons (more intensive and faster first aid after a rupture, faster surgery, better medical care, more aggressive rehab..) professional athletes are able to recover more quickly (5-7 months is the usual time frame in the case of footballers for example) and usually fully nowadays..

1-5 Pandaazuma 6-10 Norizo 11-20 ScreechingOwl 21-40 chishafuwaku 41-80 Tenshinhan 81-120 Metzinowaka 121-200 Kintamayama 201 – Ende McBugger

1. A 2. A 3. B 4. A 5. A 6. B 7. B 8. B 9. B 10. B 11. B 12. A 13. B 14. B 15. A 16. A 17. B 18. B 19. A 20. A 21. B

You are (barely) right concerning Hakuhou, though there are quite a lot of rikishi who are/were more versatile than Harumafuji, not only those you would expect (like Aminishiki or Ura), but also rikishi such as Kakuryu or Goeido. Here are some random stats from the Doitsubase: Harumafuji: 44 different kimarite KV50: 15.2 (kimarite in 50 wins) Hakuho: 42 different kimarite KV50: 14.5 (kimarite in 50 wins) Kakuryu: 36 different kimarite KV50: 15.3 (kimarite in 50 wins) Takayasu: 33 different kimarite KV50: 15.9 (kimarite in 50 wins) Goeido: 33 different kimarite KV50: 15.5 (kimarite in 50 wins) Aminishiki: 46 different kimarite KV50: 17.3 (kimarite in 50 wins) Ura: 22 different kimarite KV50: 15.8 (kimarite in 50 wins) Ishiura: 26 different kimarite KV50: 15.6 (kimarite in 50 wins) Sokokurai: 30 different kimarite KV50: 15.4 (kimarite in 50 wins) Arawashi: 38 different kimarite KV50: 15.8 (kimarite in 50 wins) Asashoryu: 46 different kimarite KV50: 17.6 (kimarite in 50 wins)

Different times, but still: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3801 http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3743

Yago, Ichiyamamoto, Enho, Tanabe, Asanoyama, Ikegawa, Irie, Takemasa, Kizaki, Jokoryu, Tomokaze, Fukuyama, Arikawa, Shodai, Yutakayama - Alternate: Mitoryu

15 - Shodai 13 - Asanoyama 12 - Ikioi 11 - Yutakayama 10 - Yago 9 - Enho 8 - Tomokaze 7 - Shoji 6 - Hayashi

15 Aminishiki 13 Takekaze 11 Kaisei 10 Takarafuji 9 Endo 8 Mitakeumi 7 Myogiryu 6 Daishomaru 5 Okinoumi

1. A 2. B 3. A 4. A 5. A 6. A 7. A 8. B 9. B 10. A 11. B 12. A 13. A 14. X 15. B 16. A 17. A 18. A 19. A 20. A 21. B