QttP 0 Posted January 16, 2003 Is there any explanation to what's happening with this guy? He's 0-5 at J12, very likely to end up with MK and drop to Makushita. Today he's had his 16th(!) straight loss in Juryo, after going 3-1 in November. I'm not able to watch his bouts. Perhaps someone who does get to see them can explain me what's going on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted January 16, 2003 I suppose the mood in Kokonoe-beya isn't at its highest right now with the trial against them and since Chiyotenzan is one of the rikishi specifically pointed out for this hazing I suppose it affects him quite a bit. It doesn't take much to get off balance mentally, and this seems the best explanation for Chiyotenzan's complete breakdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokimori 0 Posted January 16, 2003 Trial against Kokonoe? What do you mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted January 16, 2003 This is from the sumo mailing list, September 8. I'm quite sure it has come up later than that, and I have been under the impression that it's still not completely resolved. Kokonoe Oyakata and Chiyotenzan are reportedly beingsued by a former riksihi and his father for five million Yen for causing severe physical and emotional sufferings at a Yamaguchi Prefecture Regional Court. Accordint to papers filed at the court, a former rikishi joined Kokonoe Beya in February, 1999 and was promoted to Jonidan in 2000. He became a Tsukebito for Chiyotenzan and then was alleged to have been shot by an air gun after he was forcibly disrobed. He also was beaten by a Makushita rikishi who heard he went to the oyakata directly to complain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted January 16, 2003 An ex-rikishi to Kokonoe-beya accused Chiyotenzan to hit him. Violence problems so! As we say in France, " faut pas pousser m Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 16, 2003 Few years ago there was a mass exodus from Kokonoe. Something like seven or eight or so toriteki left the heya simultaneously. To this day I haven't heard an explanation to that incident. One hears all kinds of stuff. Especially of Kokonoe, the heya and Kokonoe, the oyakata. I for one won't accuse anyone of anything. I just hear stuff I wouldn't like to hear and that's all I for my part have to say about this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted January 16, 2003 Chiyotaikai is an ozeki! Chiyotenzan was komusubi! Kokonoe Oyakata proved that his way bear fruits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted January 16, 2003 Chiyotaikai is an ozeki! Chiyotenzan was komusubi!Kokonoe Oyakata proved that his way bear fruits. Which not necessarily justify the means. I'm sure there are similar things happening in a lot of heyas, and I think it's important that the line is drawn somewhere. Here in Sweden similar things have been in focus lately, because of a trial of a few teenagers who abused younger players during a soccer camp. I really hope that it's at least kept down to a minimum and I don't think an oyakata can stay completely away from the issue if he knows or suspects his deshi are too hard on the younger ones. Apart from that I agree with Kotoseiya. I hear things I don't like, and that's about it, since we can't do much about it from here, or can at all say whether it's true or false. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokimori 0 Posted January 16, 2003 I see. It is hard to make judgments from our position as out of the sumoworld. I still don't like what I hear. This behaviour can't be good for the wrestlers. And if it isn't good for the wrestlers, it isn't good for anyone. The sport has already a problem with recruiting, as far as I know. But it is all guesswork, based on what comes out of the newspapers. That's why these things are so hard to discuss... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted January 16, 2003 Chiyotaikai is an ozeki! Chiyotenzan was komusubi!Kokonoe Oyakata proved that his way bear fruits. You think that this justifies the following: He became a Tsukebito forChiyotenzan and then was alleged to have been shot by an air gun after he was forcibly disrobed. There is a fine line between what qualifies as "training" and what qualifies as "vicious physical abuse." If the above quote is indeed true, and that has yet to be proven, this goes WAY over that line. If all rikishi who recieved hits in their career, would make a trial to heya... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted January 18, 2003 19 losses in a row! (Nervous...) (Holding vomit...) Is it a record for a sekitori? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
