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How would there be more agreement on Meisei than Kinbozan? Meisei can't be moved one spot further up and Kinbozan can't be moved one spot further down. Who else are they putting in Kinbozan's spot other than Meisei?

I assume this is what I submitted. Hoshoryu(5-5 Ye) Y Onosato(12-3 Oe) O Kotozakura(8-7 Ow) Daieisho(9-6 Se) S Takayasu(12-3 M4e) Kirishima(8-7 Ke) K Wakatakakage(9-6 M1e) Wakamotoharu(9-6 M1w) M1 Oho(6-9 Sw) Tamawashi(10-5 M7w) M2 Abi(6-9 Kw) Gonoyama(7-8 M2e) M3 Hiradoumi(9-6 M6e) Takerufuji(9-6 M6w) M4 Chiyoshoma(6-9 M2w) Ichiyamamoto(7-8 M4w) M5 Tobizaru(6-9 M3e) Ura(7-8 M5e) M6 Oshoma(9-6 M8w) Hakuoho(9-6 M9e) M7 Churanoumi(11-4 M14w) Onokatsu(10-5 M12w) M8 Aonishiki(11-4 M15e) Midorifuji(9-6 M11e) M9 Meisei(9-6 M11w) Kinbozan(6-9 M5w) M10 Shodai(6-9 M7e) Shishi(9-6 M13w) M11 Endo(7-8 M9w) Atamifuji(6-9 M8e) M12 Takanosho(3-12 M3w) Tokihayate(10-5 M18e) M13 Sadanoumi(8-7 M15w) Roga(11-4 J3e) M14 Kotoshoho(8-7 M16w) Ryuden(6-9 M14e) M15 Kayo(9-6 J2e) Shonannoumi(4-11 M10w) M16 Tamashoho(8-7 J1e) Tochitaikai(9-6 J3w) M17 Asakoryu(6-9 M16e) Nishikigi(3-12 M10e) M18

Results: Top score: 1332 Top half of Makuuchi median = 1236 - step size = 12.8 Player Score Wins ScreechingOwl 1321 14.14 Oortael 1298 12.34 Sakura 1285 11.33 Norizo 1273 10.39 Bill 1257 9.14 Frinkanohana 1255 8.98 Torafujii 1253 8.83 Athenayama 1252 8.75 Pandaazuma 1250 8.59 Bunbukuchagama 1237 7.58 Joaoiyama 1235 7.42 Kajiyanosho 1224 6.56 Kintamayama 1212 5.63 Kotononami 1210 5.47 Kobashi 1198 4.53 Oskahanada 1179 3.05 Chishafuwaku 1175 2.73 Andoreasu 1173 2.58 Susanoo 1164 1.88 Asapedroryu 1161 1.64 Bottom Half of Makuuchi median = 1214.5 - step size = 15.666... Player Score Wins Flohru 1301 13.02 Hisui 1272 11.17 Hakuryuho 1272 11.17 Beeftank 1272 11.17 Ketsukai 1271 11.11 Choshu-Yuki 1269 10.98 Next-ozeki-ura 1249 9.7 BlackPinkMawashi 1238 9 Konya ga Yamada 1234 8.74 Metzinowaka 1220 7.85 Itchynotoe 1209 7.15 Asashosakari 1207 7.02 Kaito 1199 6.51 Terarno 1198 6.45 Achiyama 1185 5.62 Kitakachiyama 1178 5.17 Ganzohnesushi 1155 3.7 Balon 1154 3.64 GONZABUROW 1150 3.38 Kuroimori 1094 0 Juryo median = 1222 > Bottom half of Makuuchi median, so the latter median and step size are used. Player Score Wins Wamahada 1332 15 Gusoyama 1314 13.85 Kachikoshi 1284 11.94 Mariohana 1271 11.11 Saruyama 1267 10.85 Anjoboshi 1267 10.85 Fujisan 1259 10.34 Gaanaa 1258 10.28 Warusaru 1252 9.89 Kamibaka 1247 9.57 Arawaka 1225 8.17 Kaiowaka 1224 8.11 Andonishiki 1220 7.85 Unkonoyama 1218 7.72 Hogashi 1217 7.66 Zannah 1197 6.38 WAKATAKE 1196 6.32 Papayasu 1181 5.36 Unagiyutaka2 1175 4.98 Tetsukabe 1174 4.91 Gansekiiwa 1154 3.64 TochiYESshin 1146 3.13 Kiriazuma 1146 3.13 KakushoyamaII 1131 2.17 Makushita median = 1158 - step size = 23.2 Player Score Wins Edamamejin 1295 13.41 Joputosu 1295 13.41 CaptSmarta$$ 1289 13.15 BlindOzekiMcTell 1277 12.63 Tyerenex 1275 12.54 Ippikiōkami 1272 12.41 Oyama 1263 12.03 Shatsume 1245 11.25 Kyodaitimu 1224 10.34 Takanorappa 1223 10.3 Gatakiriba 1205 9.53 Nantonoyama 1204 9.48 Yarimotsu 1197 9.18 Profomisakari 1188 8.79 Terukaze 1166 7.84 Rowitoro 1158 7.51 Doreikishi 1158 7.51 Gustl 1152 7.24 Anjinsan 1142 6.81 Furanohana 1139 6.68 Ruziklao 1133 6.42 Akishiki 1128 6.21 Multimikstar 1127 6.16 Akagitsune 1123 5.99 Hagamachikuni 1122 5.95 Hakunojo 1112 5.52 Stusan 1102 5.09 Kishikaisei 1097 4.87 Randomaru 1076 3.97 EdwardUrahara 1051 2.89 Jimizakura 1010 1.12 Shimodahito 962 0

Pandaazuma is demoted from Ozeki after two straight MKs. He can return the easy way with 10 wins next basho. Sakura also gets an MK this basho and will be kadoban. No Sekiwake managed 10 wins so there are no Ozeki promotions. Andoreasu returns to Sekiwake with a small KK and his target score for promotion next tournament is 13.49 wins. Kintamayama and Kotononami also had scores good enough for Sekiwake promotion under my standards. They both only need 10 wins next tournament for Ozeki promotion. If all the Ozeki candidates had promotable scores and Sakura were not demoted, then by the Ozeki crowding rules, Andoreasu's target score would go over 15, and thus would be impossible to meet, while the others' target would not change (Pandaazuma's is fixed at 10, the others have at least 22 wins the last two tournaments). If all but one Sekiwake meets their goal and Sakura is not demoted, or if they all meet their goal and she is demoted, Andoreasu's target would become 14.49. Athenayama returns as Komusubi. Frinkanohana gets the auto-promotion to Komusubi from M1e with a KK, while Susanoo has just a good enough score to create a 9th sanyaku spot. Chishafuwaku(Ow, 9.15 wins) O Sakura(Oe, 3.63 wins) Andoreasu(Se, 8.63 wins) S Kintamayama(Ke, 10.48 wins) Kotononami(M8w, 15 wins) S2 Pandaazuma(O2e, 4.15 wins) Athenayama(Kw, 7.9 wins) K Susanoo(M10w, 14.53 wins) Frinkanohana(M1e, 8.02 wins) K2 Bunbukuchagama(M3w, 10.2 wins) M1 Norizo(M4e, 9.6 wins) Joaoiyama(M5e, 10.08 wins) M2 Oortael(M8e, 11.71 wins) Kobashi(M3e, 7.51 wins) M3 ScreechingOwl(K2e, 6.33 wins) Torafujii(M4w, 8.47 wins) M4 Asapedroryu(M2e, 6.33 wins) Bill(Sw, 2.9 wins) M5 Kajiyanosho(M1w, 4.48 wins) Oskahanada(M7e, 7.69 wins) M6 Choshu-yuki(M11w, 9.78 wins) Hisui(M15e, 10.7 wins) M7 Ganzohnesushi(M7w, 7.31 wins) Itchynotoe(M14w, 9.91 wins) M8 Kitakachiyama(M13w, 9.34 wins) Flohru(J4w, 13.07 wins) M9 Konya ga Yamada(M2w, 1.61 wins) Next-ozeki-ura(M15w, 10.13 wins) M10 Kaito(J4e, 12.15 wins) Kuroimori(M9w, 6.65 wins) M11 Golynohana(S2w, kyujo) Asashosakari(J5w, 12.63 wins) M12 Ketsukai(M11e, 6.77 wins) Hakuryuho(M12e, 7.06 wins) M13 Beeftank(J1w, 9.37 wins) BlackPinkMawashi(M12w, 6.61 wins) M14 Terarno(M5w, 0 wins) Kōrinokoishi(M6e, 0.2 wins) M15 Balon(M13e, 6.14 wins) Metzinowaka(M17e, 8.07 wins) M16 GONZABUROW(M10e, 3.7 wins) Achiyama(J9e, 12.06 wins) M17 Gansekiiwa(J1e, 7.63 wins) J1 Kiriazuma(J2w, 8.45 wins) Unkonoyama(J3w, 8.64 wins) J2 Papayasu(M14e, 4.05 wins) Hironoumi(J3e, kosho) J3 Andonishiki(Ms3e, 14.7 wins) Hogashi(J9w, 10.38 wins) J4 KakushoyamaII(J11w, 11.27 wins) Oshirokita(M6w, kyujo) J5 Mariohana(M16e, 3.89 wins) Kaiowaka(J14e, 11.58 wins) J6 Unagiyutaka2(J7e, 8.04 wins) Taliesin(M9e, kyujo) J7 Gaijingai(M16w, 2.37 wins) Kamibaka(J6e, 6.49 wins) J8 Arawaka(J10e, 8.48 wins) Zannah(J2e, 3.54 wins) J9 Gusoyama(Ms5e, 12.93 wins) Fujisan(J7w, 6.65 wins) J10 Kachikoshi(Ms1e, 10.21 wins) Saruyama(J11e, kosho) J11 Warusaru(Ms4e, 11.42 wins) TochiYESshin(J8e, 5.92 wins) J12 Gaanaa(J5e, 3.07 wins) Anjoboshi(J10w, 6.74 wins) J13 Wamahada(J13w, 7.51 wins) WAKATAKE(J8w, 5.28 wins) J14 Tetsukabe(Ms2w, 9.13 wins) Ruziklao(J12w, 6.49 wins) Ms1 Yarimotsu(Ms7e, 11.23 wins) EdwardUrahara(Ms9w, 12.04 wins) Ms2 Joputosu(J14w, 6.9 wins) Kishikaisei(Ms1w, 7.27 wins) Ms3 Takanorappa(Ms7w, 9.67 wins) CaptSmarta$$(J13e, 4.24 wins) Ms4 Kyodaitimu(Ms5w, 7.7 wins) Netsuzakura(J6w, kyujo) Ms5 Terukaze(Ms11e, 9.67 wins) Furanohana(Ms6e, 7.24 wins) Ms6 Edamamejin(J12e, 0 wins) Jimizakura(Ms2e, 4.98 wins) Ms7 Jejima(Ms8e, 7.94 wins) Profomisakari(Ms3w, 5.41 wins) Ms8 Akishiki(Ms8w, 7.41 wins) Hakunojo(Ms10e, 7.97 wins) Ms9 Oyama(Ms9e, 7.46 wins) Doreikishi(Ms12w, 9.1 wins) Ms10 Shatsume(Ms10w, 7.89 wins) Anjinsan(Ms6w, 5.12 wins) Ms11 Hagamachikuni(Ms11w, 7.54 wins) Nantonoyama(Ms4w, 2.37 wins) Ms12 Gustl(Ms17e, 9.1 wins) Ippikiōkami(Ms13w, 5.36 wins) Ms13 Stusan(Ms13e, 4.47 wins) Asanosanpo(Ms14e, kosho) Ms14 Rowitoro(Ms12e, 3.29 wins) Akagitsune(New, 6.62 wins) Ms15 Shimodahito(Ms16e, 5.71 wins) Tyerenex(New, 5.92 wins) Ms16 Multimikstar(Ms16w, 4.01 wins) Randomaru(Ms15e, 0 wins) Ms17 Stalnato(Ms14w, kyujo) Bg Kutoyama(Ms15w, kyujo) Bg

It's roughly the same number of miles from Detroit to Japan as it is kilometers from Queensland to Japan. When I was googling the distances, it didn't seem right that Detroit would be the same distance, but hey, that's why I was googling it. It took a couple minutes flipping back and forth before I noticed they were in different units.

Onosho would appreciate it if you stopped confusing him with Onosato. Unless....there was actually a rumor about Onosato retiring?

So we might (not likely given the difference in rank, but reasonably possible) see Mita vs. Mitakeumi next basho.

It's possible that one of the measures of net income is something like EBITDA or Free Cash Flow that's more cash-basis, while the other is accrual-basis accounting income. I don't know enough Japanese to be able to read financial statements, but I suspect that the lower number is likely to be accounting income, as they would have a lot of depreciation, amortization, and accrual of rikishi retirement benefits some which are not part of EBITDA or FCF but would be part of accounting income.

Well, he is. You don't stop being a Ozeki when you become a Yokozuna. And that link does say Yokozuna for rank now - perhaps you have a cached version of the page.

Bad memory.

My memory is that only Sadanohana had a yusho from such a low rank in that time period.

Doesn't seem likely to me. I think if Takayasu lost it would be closer, but given that they don't seem to have as much deference to Komusubi when it comes to Sekiwake promotion compared to maegashira as they might once have, and that Takayasu actually had a harder schedule by some metrics, I personally have little doubt Takayasu gets it. But what do I know anymore?

Kusano(14-1 J14w) J1 Hidenoumi(10-5 J6w) Mitakeumi(6-9 M17e) J2 Fujiseiun(9-6 J5w) Takarafuji(3-12 M12e) J3 Shirokuma(5-10 M17w) Hakuyozan(9-6 J8w) J4 Wakaikari(8-7 J9e) Kagayaki(4-11 J1w) J5 Hitoshi(9-6 J12e) Daiseizan(8-7 J10e) J6 Nishikifuji(0-2 M13e) Shimanoumi(8-7 J10w) J7 Tomokaze(7-8 J7e) Tsurugisho(8-7 J11e) J8 Kotoeiho(7-8 J7w) Shiden(4-11 J4e) J9 Oshoumi(4-7 J4w) Tohakuryu(7-8 J9w) J10 Hatsuyama(8-7 J13e) Kazekeno(8-7 J13w) J11 Mitoryu(4-11 J6e) Wakanosho(7-8 J11w) J12 Nabatame(3-8 J5e) Miyagi(4-3 Ms1e) J13 Daiamami(4-3 Ms2e) Mita(5-2 Ms4w) J14 Mudoho(4-3 Ms3w) Last basho Shirokuma was level with Tamashoho if you consider there to be one full rank extra space between divisions, so it made sense he got promoted, though less sense that he was put over Tokihayate except for what seems like a general desire now of dropping 7-8s at least one place only a few basho after leaving 6-9s with no demotion. This basho we have Kusano and Hidenoumi level with Asakoryu and Nishikigi by the numbers if you don't add some extra space between the divisions. If this was Juryo<>Makushita, we'd see such a tie go to the promotees (in just about the only way in which they favor Makushita promotees), but will they do the same with Makuuchi<>Juryo? I'm not really sure what to do with the J7-J8 area. We have 7-8s that by the numbers could keep their rank, but there are rikishi reasonably close that could make them get at least a one-spot demotion. I also felt Tsurugisho over Tomokaze was a bit too far to go given the latter already had a one-spot demotion, but at the same time keeping the two 7-8s together splitting the 8-7s seemed stupid, so I went with what's shown.

Daieisho was getting an extra sanyaku spot no matter what rank he was put at; the lower sanyaku all had KKs. Pretty much everyone assumed it was going to be Sekiwake due to the last 13-2 at M1, but that it was Komusubi didn't change the number of sanyaku, so it really didn't affect scores any more than just getting him wrong.

A 39-year-old returning from Juryo after over a year there scoring a bare KK might be less impressive in the overall scheme of things, but it's surely about as unexpected.

Full sansho speculation: Shukun-sho conditional on Yusho for all maegashira in contention Gino-sho to Takayasu Kanto-sho to Aonishiki Kanto-sho to Tamawashi if he wins

As mentioned last basho, Kyokutenho got one for getting 10 wins at basically the same age as Tamawashi was last basho. This basho he's equaled his 9 win total from last basho, is in the top half of the division, and beat a Komusubi. Given that he was kinda sorta in the yusho race too (losing to guys who are still in it the last couple days), I would vote to give a sansho to Tamawashi unconditionally.

I was expecting to see a Kizenryu-uwatenage-level percentage on that guy in the top, but it's "only" around 30% or his wins, not 48% for Kizenryu, though that's probably simply because uwatenage is generally more common anyway. That guy's Katatsukashi rate was 40 times the base rate, while Kizenryu's uwatenage rate was "only" 9.25 times. Midorifuji's rate for Katatsukashi is around 25 times the base rate.

I didn't mean for it to become a topic of conversation. I initially referenced an old suggestion that I had, and I've been trying to minimally answer questions about it. I didn't intend to open this can of worms, only to respond to what people were asking. You're being really harsh here for a reason I can't really understand. You could have made all these points in a much more constructive way. I acknowledge most of your points, but I don't really want to argue about it. While I have put some work into thinking about it, it's not like I've declared it as an absolutely air tight way to improve the promotions to Juryo. I'm sorry I ever brought it up here, and I'll be sure to never mention it again seeing as it seems to annoy you so much.

I guess Hoshoryu was really lucky he didn't have to face him on his tsuna run. That's a really bad head to head to see for a Yokozuna, and only twice was Takayasu ranked higher (and once same rank).

I'm not discounting the fact that some people are heavily influenced in their picks by momentum. I'm just quite surprised that it was that much more of a factor to people than career record to date to cause such an imbalance in that direction. If someone told me that the picks for that match were imbalanced and asked which side I thought it went, I would have been wrong.

Of course it's not happening. I don't have any hope that it ever will. But it's more fuel to my wish that something like it should happen, and they do change some things every once in a while that seem beforehand like they'd never happen, but no one really expects them. I don't think anyone expected SdTD to ever be instituted, them to move from MsTD60 to Ms15/10TD and then back 20 years later. It's also not just about TDs, but as a solution to the general trend that a young hopeful languishes in the top of Makushita for a while before breaking through to Juryo and quickly getting promoted to Makuuchi. I first really noticed it with Shodai, but there are plenty of other examples (I just don't remember them as easily). There really need to be more matches between those with prospects of making Juryo in my opinion.

In order to better differentiate those that are aiming for Juryo. I've laid down a more detailed plan here:

I'm surprised that there were plenty of people that said "Shishi has a better record so far, so he must be better" compared to the people who actually analyzed how their careers went so far and determined that Aonishiki is probably stronger, at least on a long enough time scale. Aonishiki's career has gone so much better I find it rather odd to think people thought Shishi would win in general, unless there's just something about their relative styles that suggests Shishi is favored.

Obviously the more recent entries are dominated by MsTDs, who need a lot fewer tournaments to get to Makuuchi, and now it's not possible for them to get to Juryo in one tournament (more reason why I think they should give all the Makushita 6-0s* matches every one of the last three days, so it's reasonable to promote anyone who manages a 9-0 to Juryo). Ichinojo's record is going to be very hard to beat. *And 5-1s, since they're still in the Yusho race under this system, but clearly an 8-1 Ms60 isn't getting promoted, so not relevant to what I'm saying.