Manekineko 200 Posted March 23, 2003 Ah, the basho is over, it's time again for inter-basho fun. This question came to me while I was swimming my not-quite-daily rounds... My thoughts floated to Takanohana, his intai, and how nevermore the announcer will proclaim: "Kimarite wa uwatenage. Uwatenage de Takanohana no kachi!" (He did have the most wondrous uwatenage...) But then I started wondering... is it "uwatenage de" (which would be correct if you take uwatenage as a noun), or "uwatenagete" (if you take it as compound verb from "nageru"). I remembered that for yorikiri the phrase is "yorikitte", "te" form of verb (gerund). So I ask now those of you who with good ears and/or good command of Japanese, what exactly is the form for each and every of known kimarite? For your convenience, the kimarite are grouped by ending verb... I suppose that all kimarite derived from the same verb behave the same, which might or might not be correct. Thank you. * DASHI > DASHITE or DASHI DE (Kime-, Okuri-, Okuritsuri-, Oshi-, Tsuki-, Tsuri-, Wari-) * GAKE > GAKE DE or GAKETE (Chon-, Kawazu-, Soto-, Uchi-, Okuri-) Hikkake -> Hikkake DE or Hikkakete * HINERI > HINETTE or HINERI DE (Gasshou-, Kaina-, Kote-, Kubi-, Shitate-, Uwate-) * KAESHI > KAESHITE or KAESHI DE (Ke-, Kiri-) * KOMI > KONDE or KOMI DE (Hataki-, Watashi-) - I'm pretty sure I heard "hatakikonde" in announcements... * NAGE > NAGETE or NAGE DE? (Harima-, Kake-, Koshi-, Kote-, Kubi-, Nicho-, Okuri-, Shitatedashi-, Shitate-, Sukui-, Tokkuri-, Tsukami-, Uwatedashi-, Uwate-, Yagura-) * OTOSHI > OTOSHITE or OTOSHI DE (Hiki-, Maki-, Okurihiki-, Okuritsuri-, Sokubi-, Tsuki-, Tsuri-) * TAOSHI > TAOSHITE or TAOSHI DE (Abise-, Kime-, Okuri-, Oshi-, Tsuki-, Yori-) * TORI > TOTTE or TORI DE (Ashi-, Kodzuma-, Suso-, Tsuma-) * ZORI > ZOTTE or ZORI DE (I-, Kake-, Shumoku-, Sototasuki-, Tasuki-, Tsutae-) * Kimarite with verbs that do not belong to any of the above groups: Amiuchi > Amiutte or Amiuchi de Ipponzeoi > Ipponzeotte or ipponzeoi de Katasukashi > Katasukashite or Katasukashi de Ketaguri > Ketagutte or Ketaguri de Komatasukui > Komatasukutte or Komatasukui de Mitokorozeme > Mitokorozemete or Mitokorozeme de Nimaigeri > Nimaigette or Nimaigeri de Sabaori > Sabaotte or Sabaori de Susoharai > Susoharatte or Susoharai de Ushiromotare > Ushiromotarete or Ushiromotare de Yobimodoshi > Yobimodoshite or Yobimodoshi de Yorikiri > Yorikitte or Yorikiri de (again, pretty sure I heard "yorikitte") * Kimarite that are not derived from verbs, as far as I can see: Oomata > Oomata de Oosakate > Oosakate de (Saka)Tottari > (Saka)tottari de Sotokomata > Sotokomata de Soto-, Uchi-musou > Soto-, Uchi-musou de Utchari > Utchari de Zubuneri > Zubuneri de Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,132 Posted March 24, 2003 I am by no means a Japanese expert, but I'll try with my healthy insticts..I erased what I think is wrong. * DASHI > DASHITE (Kime-, Okuri-, Okuritsuri-, Oshi-, Tsuki-, Tsuri-, Wari-) * GAKE > GAKE DE (Chon-, Kawazu-, Soto-, Uchi-, Okuri-) Hikkake -> Hikkake DE or Hikkakete * HINERI > HINERI DE (Gasshou-, Kaina-, Kote-, Kubi-, Shitate-, Uwate-) * KAESHI > KAESHITE (Ke-, Kiri-) * KOMI > KONDE (Hataki-, Watashi-) - I'm pretty sure I heard "hatakikonde" in announcements... * NAGE > NAGE DE (Harima-, Kake-, Koshi-, Kote-, Kubi-, Nicho-, Okuri-, Shitatedashi-, Shitate-, Sukui-, Tokkuri-, Tsukami-, Uwatedashi-, Uwate-, Yagura-) * OTOSHI > OTOSHITE (Hiki-, Maki-, Okurihiki-, Okuritsuri-, Sokubi-, Tsuki-, Tsuri-) * TAOSHI > TAOSHITE (Abise-, Kime-, Okuri-, Oshi-, Tsuki-, Yori-) * TORI > TORI DE (Ashi-, Kodzuma-, Suso-, Tsuma-) * ZORI > ZORI DE (I-, Kake-, Shumoku-, Sototasuki-, Tasuki-, Tsutae-) * Kimarite with verbs that do not belong to any of the above groups: Amiuchi > Amiuchi de Ipponzeoi >ipponzeoi de Katasukashi > Katasukashi de Ketaguri >Ketaguri de Komatasukui > Komatasukui de Mitokorozeme >Mitokorozeme de Nimaigeri >Nimaigeri de Sabaori >Sabaori de Susoharai >Susoharai de Ushiromotare >Ushiromotare de Yobimodoshi >Yobimodoshi de Yorikiri > Yorikitte * Kimarite that are not derived from verbs, as far as I can see: Oomata > Oomata de Oosakate > Oosakate de (Saka)Tottari > (Saka)tottari de Sotokomata > Sotokomata de Soto-, Uchi-musou > Soto-, Uchi-musou de Utchari > Utchari de Zubuneri > Zubuneri de -------------- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites