Tony 16 Posted September 8, 2002 Do you know Chiyonofuji's records by great opponents ( Takanosato, Wakanohana II, Kotokaze, Wakashimazu, Asashio V, Hokutenyu, Konishiki, Futahaguro, Asahifuji, Onokuni, Kirishima, Takamiyama, Kaiki, Tagaryu, Kotofuji ) ? For Kitanoumi is 6-12. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted September 9, 2002 I surfed the world wide web and impossible to find datas as regard these records by opponents ... But I promise to search deeper ! (Being sly...) (Hehe...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted September 9, 2002 Thanks Hoshifransu-zeki! It's incredible! He's the greatest and it's impossible to obtain these statistics! I posted this topic because I already searched these informations! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted September 9, 2002 Perhaps because the internet wasn't during the late 80's and the early 90's what it is today which could explain why a lot of web sites with databases aren't fully dedicated to past sumotori ... and to a lot of past events and past things ... The books still have a great future ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted September 12, 2002 Let us see. This is a table I got fom the web (japanese original) so I miss a couple of those you asked for, but this is a rather good start I think: Chiyonofuji versus... Takanohana-1 Wakanohana-2 Takamiyama Wajima Mienoumi Kitanoumi Washuyama Takanosato 6-4 5-10 11-1 1-6 3-2 6-12 9-1 12-16 Dewanohana Kirinji Kotokaze Asashio-5 Hokutenyu Wakashimadzu Odzutsu Konishiki 33-2 20-6 22-6 31-15 33-14 25-3 37-5 20-9 Futahaguro Onokuni Asahifuji Masurao Kirishima Terao Akinoshima Takanohana-2 8-6 23-9 30-6 5-2 12-2 16-1 7-4 0-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted September 12, 2002 Yubiquitoyama, could you indicate me website's address please ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted September 12, 2002 Yubiquitoyama, could you indicate me website's address please ? Ok :-( It has been on the web for quite a few years now. Mainly info about Kotonishiki and old Yokozuna Tochinishiki, as well as a few versus records of great yokozunas: http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~fwiy3670/sumo.htm Come to think of it, this is the webpage with the lot of 6 pictures of old rikishi that you put here on the sumo-forum just a few weeks ago (Sigh...) The list of versus records is the link right above the one to the pictures (vs.htm) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted September 12, 2002 Thank you Yubiquitoyama-zeki! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted September 12, 2002 Congratulations, Yubiquitoyama-zeki ! I trust Google a lot and I surfed with every key words and impossible to find it ... But anything is possible with the webmaster of that impressive web site which is a true database with huge quantity of links ! Terrific job ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted September 12, 2002 Very impressive 25-3 against Wakashimazu ... who was a very good technician, though Chiyonofuji was surely a level up ! :-( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted September 13, 2002 These records are very impressive ( 20-9 against Konishiki, 23-9 against Onokuni,... ) However, against 70ies'rikishi ( Wajima, Kitanoumi, Wakanohana II, ... ) are less impressive but Chiyonofuji became a very great rikishi in 1980, but he was already in makuuchi since 1974. It's reason why his face-to-face are more weak. Takanosato was a great rival for Chiyonofuji, as Kitanoumi. Perhaps, his two big rivals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted September 13, 2002 These records are very impressive ( 20-9 against Konishiki, 23-9 against Onokuni,... )However, against 70ies'rikishi ( Wajima, Kitanoumi, Wakanohana II, ... ) are less impressive but Chiyonofuji became a very great rikishi in 1980, but he was already in makuuchi since 1974. It's reason why his face-to-face are more weak. Takanosato was a great rival for Chiyonofuji, as Kitanoumi. Perhaps, his two big rivals. But I think 8-6 versus Futahaguro is definitely notable. If not Futahaguro had been such a difficult figure it's not impossible he could have been the rival of Chiyonofuji the Kyokai wanted when they promoted him, and in that case, many things would probably have turned out differently since. Instead he became known for being kicked out of Ozumo and the only Yokozuna ever to not win a yusho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted September 13, 2002 Futahaguro was a great rikishi despite his early retirement. He would be a great rival for Chiyonofuji, it's true, but "The Wolf" dominated outrageously sumo world when Futahaguro was at top ( 1986-1987 ). While between, 1981 and 1984, Chiyonofuji won " only " 10 yusho ( plus lot of 12-3 and 13-2 ). Nevertheless, it's during this period that he was strongest. That's why, I think that Takanosato, Kitanoumi and Wakanohana II were his three biggest rivals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted September 14, 2002 Sorry, not Wakanohana II. He was a great yokozuna and rival for Chiyonofuji, but he was too irregular due to injuries ( haemorro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted September 24, 2002 Chiyonofuji's records against "heavy" opponents ( 180 kg and plus ) are impressive. For a light rikishi ( around 120 kg ), it's amazing. OK, he's the best, but it's really fantastic. Furthermore, whatever rikishi'style. Asashio V, Konishiki, Takamiyama developped oshi-zumo while Onokuni is an adept of yotsu-zumo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted November 24, 2002 Chiyonofuji 33-14 Hokutenyu. OK, but the Mihogaseki-beya's ozeki was Chiyonofuji's "b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
