Zeokage

I took a look at the ISP standings and got the biggest shock I've had in my mid-basho checks (I try not to see how I'm doing until at least Nakabi so I don't jinx anything) when I saw my name at the top of the table after Day 9. I can't see that staying that way though... Not to mention surviving more than 3 days in Chaingang.

There is a console game that came out which involved managing your stable of rikishi, although the name escapes me right now. I think it was on the SNES...

jd24w Kinryuzan jd27e Nakatsunishiki

Jd24e Ogata Jd2e Tensho

Jd40w Kainohama

sd56w Arawashi

Oh, I know that they would have to have missed the entire basho with a recognised injury for kosho status in sumo (that IS correct, isn't it?) but to cover the whole "there are only 4 slams compared to 6 basho" thing I expanded it a bit for the tennis ranking.

All of my "Yokozunas" except Newcombe, Lendl (!), Edberg, Davenport and Sanchez-Vicario had back-to-back GS wins at some point of their careers -- after all this is the key promotion criterion. The problem, if you wish, is that many of them were not "Ozekis" when they started this "run". With only 4 instead of 6 competitions per calendar year, cobbling subsequent Sanyaku, Ozeki and Yokozuna runs together IS much more difficult. It requires a degree of consistency over a long time period and across surfaces that simply is very rare in tennis, at least the men's game. And, yes I have an equivalent to Yusho--Jun-Yusho--Yusho for Yokozuna promotion. This is why Lendl, Davenport and Sanchez-Vicatio also are Yokozunas. See the opening post. By the search, I meant that while it's happened in Tennis, the door has been open for it to happen in Sumo, but it has yet to happen.So the French Open being an example for making things "easier" doesn't quite hold as the greats still manage to make the final there don't they? And in the end, isn't that consistency, being able to get to finals even though it's not their best surface a defnintion of a great player? I would assume Hakuho or Asashoryu might be among the quickest from sanyaku debut to Yokozuna, but who was the quickest to get there in your tennis banzuke? Sorry I meant Magnus Norman, not Magnus Larsson (Larsson didn't get higher than komusubi). Norman reached the semis at the Aussie Open in 2000 and the final at the subsequent French Open (losing to Kuerten). This grants him an Ozeki promotion according to my criteria. Btw, he was ranked #1 at the time, but could never repeat these performances. Using those base numbers over 3 tournaments, Norman wouldn't have made it to Ozeki as he had an MK at Wimbledon in 1999 and 2000 (I'm classing the 1999 US Open as a "kosho" as he retired hurt in the 4th round). Well I look at performance over the past 3 tournaments. Actually these are pretty much my criteria. See the opening post. I guess the only thing I can really point out is the rise of an unseeded player to sanyaku when they didn't win the tournament, so if any other changes could be made it would be to take out the "he or she reaches a seminfinal/final" criteria (especially if you intend to look at performance over 3 tournaments) but acually winning the tournament is, as we have seen, is a reasonable exception for getting to Komusubi. I had things like "average a 4th round appearance over 4 grand slams" for Komusubi and the same with a quarter final average for a sekiwake, but that's over a whole year's tennis and I know the first thing that could be a negative is that the rise to the top could be even slower. Also, I don't know how often a seed retires hurt, but maybe a kosho status could be implemented as well?

As far as my searching goes, no-one's taken advantage of this, but haven't some stipulations said that a Yusho/Jun-Yusho/Yusho run could also mean becoming a Yokozuna should the times need one? Winning the Aussie and Wimbledon with a final in the French must have been done by more than just Federer. You're also forgetting the frequency the other consecutive victories (the ones not including the French Open) occur. It seems that the clay court is the "bogey court" for even the best Tennis Yokozuna. Out of curiosity, as I can't find it that quickly, what was Larsson's Ozeki run? If a sumo Ozeki run is 33(?) wins at sanyaku (and assuming a base win count of 8/9 for QF, 10/11 for SF, 12/13 for the final with 14/15 for the win), Larsson's run would have to be 3 tight quarter finals in a row to be considered, and that would be pushing it. Another way to figure in Sekiwake and Komusubi ranks could be to look at their performance over the last 4 tournaments (especially with Sekiwake). It would seem that without banzuke luck, it's the consistency rather than the one good basho that gets you up there."Komusubi runs" for the past 5 years... "Sekiwake runs" for the past 5 years... I tried to make my own criteria, and thought about what could be expected of a tennis sanyaku: Yokozuna: Win the title Ozeki: Reach the semis but with some finals and the odd title in there Sekiwake: Quarters with a healthy dollop of semis Komusubi: Constant quarter-finals The only people they should lose to are those above them in the rankings, so with 2 people at each rank as a base point, you would expect the quarter finals to be just those sanyaku players. Any other seeds that make it should be taking their place.

I'd have to agree with that sentiment. The number of times you've already said "But so-and-so would only be this rank" already makes it look like you've added some bias to this. Hence me trying to figure out whether I should make an attempt at this myself... I guess the way to mirror the sumo banzuke's sanyaku completely would be to just take those seeds who make the quarter finals (unless an unseeded player wins it all) and assume everyone else got an MK (maybe except a sekiwake going out in 5 sets in the last 16?) and rank them all. There should only be at most 16 players on there at any one time that way.

That makes sense, were there 3 Australian Opens in 2 years... Jan 77, Dec 77, and Jan 78? Someone should edit the order of the 77 Opens, it's pretty confusing reading in that area on this page. Why not, if you think the implications are acceptable -- Boris Becker winning Wimbledon in 1985 for example wouldn't get a Sanyaku ranking (he went as Sekiwake into the US Open with my system). It was a reflex suggestion, but now you've said that, I did a mini-equivalence check and it seems that if someone wins a yusho from the "unseeded" area, it's fair to put them at komusubi. As for doing what Tsonga did and get to the final, I did a related check the only one who went to sekiwake from below M10 did it with a 14-1, which is pretty much going through a tournament and only losing 1 set. The other thing about that basho is that 20 out of the 30 rikishi between sekiwake and M13 went MK, so it was an anomaly of sorts.

I remember something about it being a "tradition" at the Kyushu basho to throw zabuton after the musubi-no-ichiban at Nakabi? I originally thought it was just when someone had earned a kinboshi over a Yokozuna that the zabuton fly, either then or otherwise very good reasons such as when Kaio beat Asashoryu at Kyushu 2004.

You have a point there, but at the same time I was looking because you put so much emphasis on how much "harder" it is to win consecutive Slam events compared to basho simply because there are less of them. Surfaces shouldn't matter as much, especially with (IIRC) the US Open and the Australian Open having similar surfaces. Having Miami start in 1985 could be akin to the "modern 6-basho era" that sumo has, just much later. Another tournament could also be used before 1985 to compensate. Here's an idea though, what if the players had to be seeded for the tournament for their results to count? It would be akin to getting into the joi-jin and having a chance of getting into sanyaku with a good record at the next basho. I might just have a go at this myself. Might be a stupid question though, how do you fall from sanyaku spots in this system? EDIT: Another question, how come Guillermo Vilas isn't listed as a Yokozuna when he won 2 consecutive Slams (US Open 77 and Australian Open Dec 77)?

Here's something I've been wondering... with tennis having so many tournaments a year (isn't there a criteria in the ranking system where it's best 17 tournaments they had in that year) what if there was a way to find the next 2 important tournaments in the calendar year? Tournaments in tennis are based on tiers for their importance, so there should be a way to get a top 6 if it's that important. EDIT: After a bit of quick research, the men's game have the ATP Masters Series (9 events) and the Tennis Masters Cup. The women's game has the Sony Ericsson Championships and the Tier I tournaments (10 events). 2 of those tournaments are played simultaneously, Indian Wells and Miami. So maybe the Slams, end of year tournaments plus Indian Wells and Miami could be the yearly cycle? I know it's 7, but they would be the easiest to keep track of I assume. Well, maybe not the Tennis Masters and Sony Ericsson, they just have the top few players. Also, maybe the entire top 32/42/64 players should all be ranked and not just the sanyaku?

So it's less about the size of files in the databases etc, but more with the amount of bandwidth needed to keep it visable 24/7. How do you get such bandwidth?

How much space per basho does the SB take up? I guess the same could be asked for general game space...

I looked at those in IE, and couldn't see the W/L records, the page didn't go far enough to the right... now I'm looking at them in Opera I can see them clearly. Confused as to why, but at least I know what I got now. Thanks for saying I should look at them again.

Thanks for the reply Randomitsuki, it's great to know that the information is somewhere and that the motivation is still there. (Whatever above, it is funny...)

Well, I know I ended up missing a few games due to falling asleep while making my picks, again... not realising the extent of Chiyotaikai's injury in comparison to the other Ozeki didn't help much either. And I was so hoping to get a good start to the year. Pre-basho Games Cibersumo: Not too bad a start, two of my rikishi with 4-3 and the other 3-4 (breaking a run of 6 KK in a row in the process). Fantasy Sumo: 3rd double digit KK in a row now. So glad I went with Hakuho this time. GISP: Grr... only 61 points this time. I don't think the banzuke was out, but I'm sure my record isn't going to look too good. Hoshitori: 4th time as Komusubi, and the 3rd time I've got an MK. Juryo Game: 3 KK until now, a 1-6 will drop me right down. I bet if I looked at my selections most of them went MK. Kongo: Another MK, 5-10. I better figure out this game fast... Kumi: The 12-3 I got last time, reversed into a 2-13 this time out. Ozumo Bingo Game: On the brink of getting back to Juryo and an 11-4 at ms3e might just get me there. Paper Oyakata: Time to take that step forward now, 10-5 at ms6e, probably not enough to get back into Juryo. Pick the Yusho Winners: Missed the deadline for this one... Rotosumo: A lot of mistakes in my selections for this basho, 1-14 at M15w will send me back to Juryo, and out of my 3 basho in Makuuchi I haven't got a single KK. Salarycap Sumo: No game this time. Sekitori Oracle: No idea what w/l record I'm going to get, but 561 points sounds pretty good. UDH: "2 KK in a row, and the 13-2 this time puts me up to Kw for Hatsu. I expect the same as my usual Hoshitori forays into sanyaku and predict less than 5 wins next basho." That's what I said last time, and I get 1-14... how predictable! Yoso: "Returning to Makuuchi, and I'm sure I'm dropping back down now with a 3-12 this time around. I've only ever got 2 KK in a row once in this game." Shame how two MK in a row seems much more likely for me to get, 6-9 this time. Daily Games Banzai: At least I'm predictable, 4-11-1 again... Bench Sumo: 5th KK out of the last 5 appearances, 9-6 from mid Makushita. Chain Gang: The whole game only lasted three days, and I went out at the first hurdle. Higashi vs. Nishi: 4th MK in a row, 5-10. ISP: 10-5 for this basho, something I'm pretty happy with as one light in a cloud of bad results. SekiQuad: I have no idea how to read the results, but if it's how I think it is, it's like a 2-13. Sumo Game: Managed to squeeze out a KK here, 8-7. Sekitori Toto: And another MK for me, 6-8-1. Virtual Heya: Can't find the results for this one... Sumo Forum Games 21: I had to miss this basho, shame as I seemed to be doing well at it. Banzuke Surfing: 1st wave, not bad with a 5-2. 2nd wave, Kinryuzan doesn't turn up. 3rd wave, 4-3 to get to the top of Jonidan, possibly. Decided to be a lemming/sheep and follow the Ogata wagon for the 4th wave, so was helped to a good result there. Guess the Kotomitsuki: No idea yet... Makushita Game: Had to take a kosho here... Other Games (French and German forum games plus GTB) Guess the Banzuke: I think the last 6 basho is what is used for the rankings, and I have 3 kyujo basho before my last 3 actual entries. One should disappear next time around so I hope to be a little higher than 90th. My actual result was a 12-3 with my highest points score since I won the thing back in Kyushu 2004. Tip-Spiel: I need to work out how to register for the forums before the next basho, I think I'll be banzuke-gai next basho if on it at all. Trio: Squeeked out an 8-7.. Yin-Yang Sumo Balance: I've seen where I ended up after day 14, I don't even want to look at the final scores... Japanese Games DailyHashiweb Yoso: Missed out on a promotion to Juryo last time but a 9-5-1 from ms1e should guarantee it... Yoso Taikai: I don't know what it is about this game, maybe it's the small number of entrants. 9-5-1 from S1w, and a Kanto-sho as well. Pre-basho GameNorizo Cup: Finding my way up the "normal" way this time around, 8-7 from J4w, can't expect this KK run will carry on for long though. Taka's G1: Missed the deadline. Taka's Quiz: Missed the deadline. I think I'll split my overall thoughts into the 4/5 sections I've put the results in my database. The non-SB pre-basho games were abysmal, Cibersumo was ok, but the rest were all MK, I don't know about GTK yet. The non-SB daily games went as expected from recent trends. SB pre-basho were mostly as expected, but Fantasy Sumo and GTB were much better than I predicted. SB Dailies were alright as well, maybe except S4 when the results come around. A Kanto-sho in the Gion Yoso Taikai capped off a basho with as many highs as low, but nothing too middling.

I know it's a big task setting it up every basho, but has there been any word on whether the results have been worked out and uploaded anywhere? While keeping up with the top of the standings has been interesting to read, I haven't been able to keep up with my personal standings since Natsu 2007.

Might as well do the same... Jk30e Ogata

Jd23e Fujiarashi

sd64w Kinryuzan

I'm further on the second wave than I am in this first wave! (I am not worthy...) Sd91e Hakiai

I'm rubbish at banzuke, but here's what I came up with for what this banzuke could have been. Some huge holes at the bottom meant some went up with MKs. Heruwejima Y O Doitsuyama Araiwa S Frinkanohana jesinofuji S Zenjimoto K1 Golynohana K2 Heikotoriki Anjoboshi M1 Taka norizo M2 Metzinowaka Tosahayate M3 pastanoyama gernobono M4 Gaijingai Marionoumi M5 Kintamayama Mariohana M6 Asashosakari bafa M7 Tamanaogijima Randomitsuki M8 Takamueda Konizan M9 Zeokage Shiyonofuji M10 sashimaru Ulsimitsuki M11 Flohru Ganzohnesushi M12 Yaochoyama dimitri M13 Hakajusakari Kotononami M14 GONZABUROW Konosato M15 Charliki Jakusotsu M16 Misisko Jejima M17 basashihime leonishiki J1 Takanorappa fujisan J2 tainosen asahi J3 sekihiryu Furanohana J4 Meyeryu aderechelseamaru J5 takashoryu kaiowaka J6 Yanen rantan J7 susamajiiraion Naskocska J8 Mariotoki Maguroyama J9 Oshirokita Choshu-yuki J10 Kotoniko Kachitakai J11 Larissi Xiaotan J12 sukubidubidu Susanoo J13 Andoreasu Saruwatari J14 Holleshoryu Seki Haruaki ms1 Terarno Bill ms2 Chiisabuke Marimo ms3 Onigashima Toljokinodo ms4 Senpai Kitano ms5 YOKOTANOHARRY Packamawashi ms6 Akatabi mischashimaru ms7 Chisaiyama Imumaru ms8 Hironoumi Yanovskiyama ms9 abudisake Bunijiman ms10 Toschima geri ms11 Mysko Kasamatsuri ms12 tsunamiko nirumaruyama ms13 marshiyofuji Yaezakura ms14 Ruziklao Mmikasazuma ms15 gusoyama nishinoshima ms16 Annai Sashohikufuhen ms17 Kitakachiyama Igiski ms18 mabunkiyo Mattjila ms19 Fatakiyama Gorgoro ms20 Kitanoyama Kajimoto ms21 Hidariashiyama Marushiki ms22 Fay Rowitoro ms23 Akisame Tomoe ms24 Vikanohara Tsurugame ms25 Benderdurono Sunibono ms26 arrabono Getayukata ms27 Washuyama ZangieF ms28 higgin Amenokojima ms29 ms30 Banzuke-gai Kaihayaiha Hirotaro Yubiquitoyama godaikonoryu Mushi sandman Kaioshoryu KOTOCHANTA Kofuji kaenkamiko Hasegawa big-jordan Bergero Takashido wolfgangho yamaneko yosouou DenMengChen Herritaro Unagiyutaka Akishiki Kuso Daninowaka Teotokamu mariamidze ShakaNui kijkko stephen