Aki 2025 discussions (results)

[Bunbukuchagama]

1 minute ago, Asashosakari said:

And this committee is even more committed to not make it easy for anyone to get anywhere

Except if it is Hoshoryu - they where more than ready to help him. 

[Akinomaki]

6 hours ago, dingo said:

For some reason Takayasu decided to beat the everloving crap out of poor Aonishiki's face. Not sure what he did to deserve that, besides being too good at belt sumo. To Aonishiki's credit he took the pain and then sent out Takayasu when an opening appeared, proving Takayasu's new approach to his opponent ineffective. 

Aonishiki's comment: Even if you get slapped 100 times, when you then win the bout it's good  o

[Bunbukuchagama]

3 hours ago, Seseragi said:

If he can get 4 wins will that be enough to keep him in Maegashira in November?

Yes, definitely.

[Bunbukuchagama]

3 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Aonishiki's comment: Even if you get slapped 100 times, when you then win the bout it's good  o

To be fair, those were Tochimaru-style slaps, fast but light.

Edited September 19, 2025 by Bunbukuchagama

[Reonito]

10 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

This is exactly the nightmare scenario I mentioned when they robbed him of his deserved K slot. A 10-5 would essentially become the first basho of a new run, all the 11-4s he had earlier would get discarded. 

Perhaps they would count for something if he went K 10-5, K 11-4, S 11-4 or something similar that was just short of a clear promotion; M1 11-4 K 11-4 preceding this could put him over the top. Sort of like Asanoyama, who was promoted more on the strength of a 4-6 basho stretch than on a usual run.

[Reonito]

9 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Except if it is Hoshoryu - they where more than ready to help him. 

Not really a banzuke committee decision.

[Bunbukuchagama]

1 minute ago, Reonito said:

Perhaps they would count for something if he went K 10-5, K 11-4, S 11-4 or something similar that was just short of a clear promotion; M1 11-4 K 11-4 preceding this could put him over the top. Sort of like Asanoyama, who was promoted more on the strength of a 4-6 basho stretch than on a usual run.

That would depend on their generosity; still, 10-5 Aki would become the first basho of a new run.

[Bunbukuchagama]

1 minute ago, Reonito said:

Not really a banzuke committee decision.

Not technically, but it's more or less the same group of people, we assume.

[Reonito]

11 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

That would depend on their generosity; still, 10-5 Aki would become the first basho of a new run.

Yup, I was right there with you fuming at his non-promotion after May, especially given that they went with such a bizarre alternative.

[Shikona]

51 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Except if it is Hoshoryu - they where more than ready to help him. 

Told what to do for promotion, and did it. You could say Onosato got that level of "help." Some people are expecting more for Aonishiki, I guess.

[Bunbukuchagama]

Just now, Shikona said:

Told what to do for promotion, and did it. You could say Onosato got that level of "help." Some people are expecting more for Aonishiki, I guess.

Told by some enigmatic higher power or by themselves again? 

[Gospodin]

Abi is already quite deep into his sunset. His arms are shot. He will not be much more successful further down in the next basho. Typical oshi-fate, or whatever you want to call it.

[Fashiritētā]

4 minutes ago, Gospodin said:

Abi is already quite deep into his sunset. His arms are shot. He will not be much more successful further down in the next basho. Typical oshi-fate, or whatever you want to call it.

One of his wins will be by Henka, though the only 2 he tried have failed, especially the Onosato bout.

[Bunbukuchagama]

3 hours ago, Gospodin said:

Abi is already quite deep into his sunset. His arms are shot. He will not be much more successful further down in the next basho. Typical oshi-fate, or whatever you want to call it.

He can still henka!

[Leoben]

12 hours ago, Gospodin said:

Typical oshi-fate

I read this with a bad japanese accent and had to do a double take to realize it was just English lol

[RabidJohn]

12 hours ago, Gospodin said:

Abi is already quite deep into his sunset. His arms are shot. He will not be much more successful further down in the next basho. Typical oshi-fate, or whatever you want to call it.

Which makes it all the more remarkable that Tamawashi is still doing it at 40. Thought for a moment that he might pull off one of his WTF? yotsu wins today, though.

Fujinokawa was fantastic today, but being small is also hazardous in ozumo, so I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

Looks like the kids are not going to let Wakatakakage get promoted. That'll be ok by me. He's a superb sekiwake, and Aonishiki looks a better candidate.

Interesting that Oho always turns up for the battle of the grandsons...

Hoshoryu was more successful at not losing today than he was at winning, but ozumo is binary, so a win's a win.

Onosato blasted Gonoyama off the dohyo with just two shoves! But will those battering ram arms have the longevity of Tamawashi or Abi?

[Seseragi]

Fujinokawa pulled off a hell of a move there. Love to see it.

On the other end of the spectrum I was expecting Tomokaze to win his match against Shonannoumi fairly easily, but he apparently decided to just not.

[dingo]

Nishikigi is a shadow of his former self. Basically he's a free win to everyone this basho. It doesn't look like it's just a bad basho either, more like there's barely any strength to stand up and do a feeble tachiai. It's really sad see him turn up each day only to have almost no impact at all on the bout. Can't imagine how he's feeling mentally.

Fujinokawa, what a throw! Easily best move of the day in makuuchi, perhaps the whole basho so far. I loved the way the crowd showed appreciation for his feat as well.

No 10-win streak for Kotoshoho this basho I guess. He'd rather have to be careful not to turn in a 10-loss basho... Such is the fate of most surprise makuuchi yusho winners.

Atamifuji did a clever 180 move around Tamawashi to move from tawara edge, switching positions with Tamawashi and putting him on the tawara instead. I suppose that's the difference between a yotsu sumo specialist like Atamifuji and occasional yotsu rikishi like Tamawashi. Once they locked up it was hard to see Tamawashi winning.

Abi actually tried to use his arms against Takayasu for a few seconds but it didn't amount to much in the end. A consolation win for Takayasu, but it's probably too little too late.

3 losses in a row is not good news for Kirishima, especially having been so dominant for the first four days. At the beginning he looked like a serious yusho contender, now however it's really difficult to see what his final score will be. A small kachikoshi perhaps, but that's certainly not what he's aiming for.

Lots of back and forth pushing and pulling between Oho and Kotozakura. The ozeki did not look too assertive or dominant and gave up a second win that could perhaps have been avoided. Is it his focus or is his strength not quite back to last year's levels yet...

Hiradoumi got Hoshoryu closer to a defeat than the yokozuna would've liked. Great effort and a second close call for Hoshoryu, but so far he's managed to avoid a loss. Can't leave too much hanging on his luck if he wants to win the yusho though.

Gonoyama's basho was perfectly illustrated in one bout by Onosato. Not much else to say except a it was a very predictable result.

The fashionable 5-1 score owners were today more or less equally divided into 6-1 and 5-2. Both still can hope for Hoshoryu to stumble and join their ranks. Looking forward to see what happens!

[Tochinofuji]

Beautiful kakenage by Fujinokawa! Though that does I think undermine my previous comment about why Hōshōryū's throws aren't being called as kakenage. Slightly more turn, but nowhere near as much as Akua or a standard uchimata, and more in line with yaguranage. See:

www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/43513-haru-2024-discussion-results/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-513583

More evidence in @Yarimotsu's favour! 

[Leoben]

Kirishima would be the first Mongolian to make Ozeki and not make Yokozuna wouldn't he? Not a huge sample group, just 7, but it is something.

[Oskanohana]

40 minutes ago, Leoben said:

Kirishima would be the first Mongolian to make Ozeki and not make Yokozuna wouldn't he? Not a huge sample group, just 7, but it is something.

Yes, don't remind me.. 

We can always say he's the exception that proves the rule.

[Akinomaki]

43 minutes ago, Leoben said:

Kirishima would be the first Mongolian to make Ozeki and not make Yokozuna wouldn't he? Not a huge sample group, just 7, but it is something.

The other who dropped from ozeki needed 4 years from there to yokozuna, with a stop in jonidan, Kirishima is down just a bit over a year so far and still 7 months below 30 - but only 3 months below Terunofuji, when he made it, as the oldest Mongolian so far

[Tetsuarashi]

i saw elsewhere someone pointed out hakuoho may have suffered a right arm injury? seemed that way from the replay i saw right after the match

[Yamanashi]

22 minutes ago, Tetsuarashi said:

i saw elsewhere someone pointed out hakuoho may have suffered a right arm injury? seemed that way from the replay i saw right after the match

He was certainly not moving the arm normally afterward -- completely stiff.

[Tetsuarashi]

not a doctor but it kinda looked liked takerufuji's injury last basho?