Aki 2025 discussions (results)

[Akinomaki]

4 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

They NEVER (OK, I don't remember ever) cite the "dead body rule" (I laugh at its many faces) when explaining a decision. 

But they give hints that point to a dead body decision - like: his body was lost/flying / at the (same) time the other went down 

[Godango]

I haven't watched the bout again since the broadcast; but my thinking at the time was that it was Onosato's win, or a torinaoshi would be justifiable. I'll have to go back and watch it again, I'm surprised people see it differently.

[Kintamayama]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

But they give hints that point to a dead body decision - like: his body was lost/flying / at the (same) time the other went down 

Yes, they do, but very obscure, just like this whole shinitai thing is very obscure and inconsistent and pisses me off to no end.. Every time I hear shinitai, shinitai..

Edited September 28 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari]

I was surprised that they called a mono-ii at all, but sure, better safe than sorry. To me it felt obvious even in real time that Hoshoryu was long gone by the time that Onosato touched down, and after the Churanoumi - Tomokaze decision barely an hour earlier, I would have been stunned to see any other outcome of the discussion.

[Akinomaki]

31 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Yes, they do, but very obscure, just like this whole shinitai thing is very obscure and inconsistent and pisses me off to no end.. Every time I hear shinitai, shinitai..

The shimpan never use shinitai, the media use it to explain the decisions. As pointed out here, the people who decide this are the same department that decides on the banzuke, and we know how consistent these decision are.

[Reonito]

Looks like Hoshoryu lost his uwate grip on the belt before he could complete the throw; if he hadn't...

[RabidJohn]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

... shinitai, shinitai..

Shinitai schminitai, Shirley.

[Katooshu]

3 hours ago, Godango said:

I haven't watched the bout again since the broadcast; but my thinking at the time was that it was Onosato's win, or a torinaoshi would be justifiable. I'll have to go back and watch it again, I'm surprised people see it differently.

While not the most clear cut win, I think a rematch would've been very generous to Hoshoryu. The only reason he didn't touch first, is because he was hit far enough outside that there was no dohyo under him for his upper half to touch as he fell. I think that is too close to awarding a rikishi for something their opponent deserves credit for.

Edited September 29 by Katooshu

[warusawa]

Hoshoryu was halfway down to the floor when Onosato's hand touched the dohyo. Pretty clear cut Onosato win to me.

[Godango]

36 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

While not the most clear cut win, I think a rematch would've been very generous to Hoshoryu. The only reason he didn't touch first, is because he was hit far enough outside that there was no dohyo under him for his upper half to touch as he fell. I think that is too close to awarding a rikishi for something their opponent deserves credit for.

 

14 minutes ago, warusawa said:

Hoshoryu was halfway down to the floor when Onosato's hand touched the dohyo. Pretty clear cut Onosato win to me.

Completely agree, I just would have `understood` a torinaoshi. Calling it a Hoshoryu win would have been outrageous. I was surprised they even checked it.

[Sumo Spiffy]

3 hours ago, Reonito said:

Looks like Hoshoryu lost his uwate grip on the belt before he could complete the throw; if he hadn't...

He lost his grip immediately after Onosato planted his foot, with Onosato's shoulder jammed up in his armpit. If he hadn't let go, he might have left his arm behind.

[Reonito]

34 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

He lost his grip immediately after Onosato planted his foot, with Onosato's shoulder jammed up in his armpit. If he hadn't let go, he might have left his arm behind.

Yeah, I couldn't tell how much of it was that the grip wasn't firm enough and how much of it that Onosato broke it. Former Kotoshogiku did say he intentionally wore a threadbare mawashi and had it tied extra tight so that his opponents couldn't work their fingers in there for a strong grip.

[I am the Yokozuna]

A very entertaining tournament. Deserved win for Onosato in the end but delighted that Hoshoyu's 11-0 start, his first ever ten or more wins on the row at the start of a tournament, so a great future rivalry is shaping up. Very deflated about Wakatakakage's missed oozeki promotion, wish him a very speedy recovery of whatever is ailing him. Hopefully, Aonishiki would clinch that promotion in Fukuoka. 

[RussReimroc]

Dissapointed that it didn't end up going the way of Hoshoryu, but it was a good win by Onosato. And what an exciting day of sumo it was! I'm happy that we got a playoff. The fact that Onosato got blasted backwards like that in the initial bout- I'd like to see more of that(with respect to Onosato, of course)! It's not often we see him so quickly escorted out of the dohyo like that!