Ryuden Scandal

[Jakusotsu]

1 hour ago, just_some_guy said:

Exactly my thought. The ideal situation is you collect one, maybe two Makushita yusho on the way up and then don't come back. Holding the record for most yusho in that division is an indictment of either your consistency or your ability to stay healthy. Not exactly something anyone's going to be really excited about.

In some way, that's how I always felt about Akinoshima's record of 17 kinboshi. Collecting too many of them feels more like a flaw than an achievement.

[Eikokurai]

55 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

I'm not sure he's arguably less consistent, and more like really unfortunate, because it just means his skill ceiling falls right in the middle between lower and upper makuuchi. If you bounce between the joi and the double digit maegashira ranks, it's pretty much the same as bouncing between divisions in terms of the implications on your skill. In fact, if he see-saws for a whole year (a bit like what Tamawashi did for one year where he went 10-5 5-10 10-5), that's remarkably consistent - he's just not improving at all!

Consistently inconsistent. 

[Eikokurai]

9 minutes ago, Sue said:

One might argue that a suspension-worthy offence on the part of a Yokozuna damages their hinkaku to the point where they should have an intai recommendation, more so than merely going makekoshi would.

We have precedent for Yokozuna suspensions of course, with Asashoryu in 2007 after the football incident, though he may have been saved by the mitigating fact he was asked by the Japanese government to play (at least that’s what was reported at the time).

[Yamanashi]

5 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

In some way, that's how I always felt about Akinoshima's record of 17 kinboshi. Collecting too many of them feels more like a flaw than an achievement.

Someone on this forum must have pointed out the percentage of kinboshi that come with a make-koshi.  If I didn't check the record, I would assume that a kinboshi means this guy was on fire for that basho, and must have come up with double-digit wins.  The opposite seems to be the case.  Akinoshima had 11 of his 16 kinboshi in a basho with an 8-7 record or below.  I've seen similar records from other rikishi; it seems like for some basho, the only guys he can beat are Yokozuna.

[Kaminariyuki]

24 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Someone on this forum must have pointed out the percentage of kinboshi that come with a make-koshi.  If I didn't check the record, I would assume that a kinboshi means this guy was on fire for that basho, and must have come up with double-digit wins.  The opposite seems to be the case.  Akinoshima had 11 of his 16 kinboshi in a basho with an 8-7 record or below.  I've seen similar records from other rikishi; it seems like for some basho, the only guys he can beat are Yokozuna.

Some guys just really get fired up for the big matches. In the last few bashos, it seems to me without going and analyzing the data, that a few rikishi have done better against the 4 ozeki than against the megashira masses Wakatakakage and Takayasu have actually put up really good numbers against everyone but Mitakeumi apparently has grudge match attitude when it comes to the top four boys.

[Seiyashi]

56 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

BUT, he's getting paid the whole time.

Oh yeah, makuuchi's definitely a whole different gravy train from Juryo. In fact that see saw record IIRC was in the same year as he yushoed, so everyone was waiting for a 2-13 howler to end the year with. But you get what I mean, you're treading water relative to everyone around you in terms of sumo technique; it's just where you end up on the whole spectrum of skill that determines your rough placement on the banzuke.

39 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

53 minutes ago, Sue said:

One might argue that a suspension-worthy offence on the part of a Yokozuna damages their hinkaku to the point where they should have an intai recommendation, more so than merely going makekoshi would.

We have precedent for Yokozuna suspensions of course, with Asashoryu in 2007 after the football incident, though he may have been saved by the mitigating fact he was asked by the Japanese government to play (at least that’s what was reported at the time).

Yes this was what I had in mind. I think had Asanoyama been a yokozuna he would have gone straight intai here. But maybe something like a slightly more serious version of betting like what Hakuho did (betting on hanafuda games between rikishi, so sort of like a friendly poker night, rather than the big scale, yakuza-involved nonsense that Kotomitsuki got wrapped up in) would only be suspension worthy I think. In fact, you could argue both ways that some offences that wouldn't normally result in suspension for ordinary rikishi might wind up in suspension for a yokozuna just to send a message and demonstrate contrition.