Trivia bits

[Benihana]

16 minutes ago, Asojima said:

See haridashi in the sumo glossary .

 

 

Ah, thank you!

[Kishinoyama]

5 minutes ago, Ogami Ittō said:

But that is jun/yusho/jun, not yusho/doten/jun.

A playoff loss is still considered a jun-yusho but I will try not to nit-pick.......

 

 

[Benihana]

That is right, but i nit-pick. Doten may be considered a jun, but it is different though, else we could dump the doten and just say jun. And then there is that special order.

yusho/doten/jun is a descending order. yusho->step down->doten->step down->jun 

There shouldn't be many rikishi who achieved that, especially stretched over the 2 highest divisions. I'm looking for uniqueness.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Ogami Ittō

[Bumpkin]

Chiyonoyama 1944.11 J-13w  8-2 Y.  1945.06 J-2e  6-1 Y.  1945.11 M-`10e  10-0 J.*  No Play-off.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Bumpkin
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[Atenzan]

4 hours ago, Ogami Ittō said:

That is right, but i nit-pick. Doten may be considered a jun, but it is different though, else we could dump the doten and just say jun. And then there is that special order.

yusho/doten/jun is a descending order. yusho->step down->doten->step down->jun 

There shouldn't be many rikishi who achieved that, especially stretched over the 2 highest divisions. I'm looking for uniqueness.

OK, here goes:

Ichinojou's case is the third in recorded history.

The first one was Hokutoumi: 

1985.05 Y2eHD 13-2Y

1985.07 Y1e 12-3D to Chiyonofuji

1985.09 Y1e 11-4J

The second one was Takanohana the son:

1993.05    O1e    14-1 Y 

1993.07    O1e    13-2 D

1993.09    O1e    12-3 J

Edited September 5, 2016 by McBugger
Source here http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=3&form1_y=on&form2_yd=on&form3_jy=on&columns=4

[Kishinoyama]

Since we are going for uniqueness, how about Hakuho in 2009:

14-1 D

15-0 Y

14-1 D

14-1 Y

14-1 D

15-0 Y

An 86-4 with only three championships.

He had the same overall 86-4 record in 2010 and won 5 out 6 tournaments. 

 

[Benihana]

What was the highest number of kensho awarded in a single match?

[Bumpkin]

Who currently has the most consecutive matches played streak?

[Chijanofuji]

While going through some stats of the current top division rikishi I noticed Sadanoumi currently has 7 consecutive makekoshi results starting with Nagoya 2015 dropping him slowly but surely from M1W to his current rank of M10W, which struck me as quite unusual.

I don't recall many instances in recent times where a Maegashira rikishi did not manage a single kachikoshi for so many basho in an row without dropping down to Juryo...

Could this possibly be some kind of record in modern times (say in the Heisei period)? If not, does anyone know what the record is?

2015/07    M1w        6-9
2015/09    M3e        6-9
2015/11    M5w        5-10
2016/01    M9e        7-8
2016/03    M9w        7-8
2016/05    M10e        7-8
2016/07    M10w        7-8
2016/09    M10w        0-0

[Rocks]

Sadanoumi must have some dirt on somebody because he should have been back in Juryo long ago.

In 14 basho as Maegashira he managed to kachikoshi 4 times. His one time managing double digit wins was his debut at M17e where he squeezed out 10 wins.

His one claim to fame, his kinboshi, is dubious at best after getting a torinaoshi he shouldn't have gotten against Haramafuji and then being declared the winner of what should have been another torinaoshi. 

 

[Atenzan]

On 9/27/2015 at 19:14, Kintamayama said:

 

Trivia question. Why does everyone keep asking Kagamiou what time it is?

 

Didn't even take a year to answer. His full shikona is Kagamiou Nanji. Nanji? = What time?

[Atenzan]

21 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

Who currently has the most consecutive matches played streak?

I hope you care about this. I did a manual query on all 663 active rikishi. The leaderboard stands, after shonichi, Aki 2016:

17. Sakigake 586
16. Takarafuji 589
15. Yoshinokuni 602
14. Daishoujou 625
13. Kasugamine 679
12. Fujinokaze 687
11. Kaisei 695
10. Ikioi 702
9. Kotomisen 724
8. Gagamaru 762
7. Kitaharima 764
6. Sadanofuji 857
5. Shouketsu 889
4. Ten'ichi 929

3. Tamawashi 923
2. Kitataiki 981
1. Yoshiazuma 1022

Sorry about the reverse order. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by McBugger

[Bumpkin]

5 hours ago, McBugger said:

I hope you care about this. I did a manual query on all 663 active rikishi. The leaderboard stands, after shonichi, Aki 2016:

17. Sakigake 586
16. Takarafuji 589
15. Yoshinokuni 602
14. Daishoujou 625
13. Kasugamine 679
12. Fujinokaze 687
11. Kaisei 695
10. Ikioi 702
9. Kotomisen 724
8. Gagamaru 762
7. Kitaharima 764
6. Sadanofuji 857
5. Shouketsu 889
4. Tamawashi 927
3. Ten'ichi 972
2. Kitataiki 981
1. Yoshiazuma 1022

Sorry about the reverse order. 

Thank you very much!  I tried to do a db query and couldn't figure it out.  BTW who's Yoshiazuma? 

[Atenzan]

Just now, Bumpkin said:

Thank you very much!  I tried to do a db query and couldn't figure it out.  BTW who's Yoshiazuma? 

39-year-old veteran. Was a Juryo mainstay for a while, now is in Sandanme. Hasn't missed a single day since his debut, over 20 years ago.

[Yubinhaad]

Tenichi's run of consecutive bouts ended with a fusenpai in 2015 Hatsu, unfortunately. My own list only covers consecutive bouts from debut, but anyway here's how that looked at the end of the Nagoya basho:

Most consecutive bouts from debut (ongoing, over 600):

Yoshiazuma	1022
Tamawashi	926
Shoketsu	889
Sadanofuji	856
Hienriki	763
Kitaharima	763
Gagamaru	761
Ikioi		701
Kaisei		694
Kasugamine	679
Yoshinokuni	602

 

Edited September 11, 2016 by Yubinhaad

[Atenzan]

14 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

Tenichi's run of consecutive bouts ended with a fusenpai in 2015 Hatsu, unfortunately. My own list only covers consecutive bouts from debut, but anyway here's how that looked at the end of the Nagoya basho:

Most consecutive bouts from debut (ongoing, over 600):

Yoshiazuma	1022
Tamawashi	926
Shoketsu	889
Sadanofuji	856
Hienriki	763
Kitaharima	763
Gagamaru	761
Ikioi		701
Kaisei		694
Kasugamine	679
Yoshinokuni	602

 

Thanks for the save. He's still high on the active leaderboard with 923 bouts (1993-2015)

[Atenzan]

Another manual query.

Last basho, the sole hiramaku dai-ichigo (first maegashira to get 8 wins) was M2w Takarafuji, earning his KK on day 10 with a win over Daishoumaru. Takarafuji was in the 15th overall spot of the banzuke. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=201607&d=10

The last sole hiramaku dai-ichigo to come from the top 16 of the banzuke was M2e Kotomitsuki, one basho short of 15 years prior to Takarafuji. He earned his 8th win over komusubi Tamanoshima on day 9 and converted his effort into his sole makuuchi yusho (13-2), in Aki 2001. He was in the 13th spot of the banzuke. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=200109&d=9

Although technically it doesn't count, Dejima was the sole hiramaku dai-ichigo from the 17th spot of the Hatsu 2003 banzuke, M3w, although effectively he was well and truly in the top 16, as yokozuna Musashimaru and ozeki Chiyotaikai and KaioU were kyujo or kosho for the whole tournament. Dejima got his KK on day 9 that kept M2w Toki winless still. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Results.aspx?b=200301&d=9

[specialweek 2]

Can someone explain to me how to search hatsuo kao awase records on the database?

[Atenzan]

37 minutes ago, specialweek 2 said:

Can someone explain to me how to search hatsuo kao awase records on the database?

Go to the bout query page, then use these settings for hatsu-kao involving rikishi 1:

Makuuchi division

Rikishi 1 from same division as bout

Head to head: rikishi 1 0 wins, rikishi 2 0 wins before the bout

Then for rikishi 1, put in the shikona. 

[Asashosakari]

Do note that the head-to-head count always involves all bouts between two rikishi; the query can't be limited to "first meeting in makuuchi, ignore bouts in juryo and below" or something like that.

[ryafuji]

On ‎9‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 17:47, McBugger said:

OK, here goes:

Ichinojou's case is the third in recorded history.

The first one was Hokutoumi: 

1985.05 Y2eHD 13-2Y

1985.07 Y1e 12-3D to Chiyonofuji

1985.09 Y1e 11-4J

The second one was Takanohana the son:

1993.05    O1e    14-1 Y 

1993.07    O1e    13-2 D

1993.09    O1e    12-3 J

Just to correct a typo, Hokutoumi's run was in 1989, not 1985.

[Rocks]

This has probably been asked before but what is the highest number of active Ozeki at one time?

[Nantonoyama]

36 minutes ago, Rocks said:

This has probably been asked before but what is the highest number of active Ozeki at one time?

 

If Yokozunas are out of the "Ozeki" scope, then 6 for three consecutive tournaments between May 2012 (after Kakuryu S->O promotion) and September 2012 (before Harumafuji O->Y promotion). http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=5&form1_rank=O

If Yokozuna are considered as ozekis, then 8, May 1918, July 1987 for single cases, and two two-basho cases: from Nov 1978 to Jan 1979 and from Nov 2000 to Jan 2001. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=5&form1_rank=Y, O

For Sanyaku, the result is 15 during two consecutive tournaments in Aki and Kyushu 1961 (which is really a incredibly high amount)

 

[Rocks]

Yes, I was thinking only rikishi actually ranked Ozeki, not Yokozunas. That is incredible about the 1961 bashos. Thanks a lot.

[Rocks]

You always see these big cracks opening up in the doyho as the days progress. Has a chunk ever broke off during a days marches?