Ashikawazu

Not stating anything here, just noting the fact that Kitanoumi didn't get promoted himself with consecutive Yusho's..... hehehe 10-5, 13-2Y, 12-3D

I can't read Japanese, but is that just a post-facto record that noted he lost to two maegashira? I assume the question is when did they start awarding the kinboshi prize ( and bonus to the mochikyukin account) to Maegashira ranked rikishi defeating Yokozunas?

Anybody know why Musashimaru's nephew stayed out of the mae-zumo during Natsu?

I am pretty sure Kyujo officially counts as an MK, as it leads to a reduction in rank.. So Sasanoyama wasn't included.

Anybody know his story? From his bouts looked like his left knee is in bad shape, but still managed to win Jonokuchi, after almost two years away from sumo... Also, looking at the bout available from 2011.07, knee looks pretty much in the same shape then..

Ah..YBF beat me to it.. :D

This guy had 18 KK before his first MK. :) http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=1

Nagoya 2013 Wall Line-up: Crapload of Jk guys after Natsu. Also added Shineiyama technically he may not qualify.. so I've put a * by his name. But I think he should be on the list. The Wall Natsu 2013Rikishi2012.052012.072012.092012.112013.012013.032013.052013.07 Total KKOsunaarashiJk5w 7-0 YJd8w 5-1-1Sd75e 6-1Sd20e 6-1Ms38e 5-2Ms23e 6-1Ms7e 7-0Y 7Hamaguchi [/td]Jk16w 7-0 DJd10w 7-0 DSd18e 4-3Sd7e 7-0 YMs12e 4-3Ms8e 5-2 6EndoMs10TD 5-2Ms3e 5-2 2OmoriJk6e 5-2Jd50e 5-2 2IshiuraJk6w 7-0 Y Jd8w 7-0Y 2OnoshoJk7e 6-1Jd17e 6-1 2KotoseigoJk8e 6-1Jd19e 6-1 2ShimadaJk8w 4-3Jd63e 4-3 2KaihoJk9e 5-2Jd53e 6-1 2BarakiJk10e 6-1Jd24e 5-2 2KimishimaJk11e 4-3Jd63w 6-1 2 TochisatoJk5e 4-3 1 DaishohoJk5w 6-1 1 KobaJk6e 6-1 1 KaishoJk6w 4-3 1 AsanishimuraJk8e 5-2 1 KatsuyamaJk9w 4-3 1 YakabeJk10e 4-3 1 TakeiJk10w 4-3 1 DaishokiJk11w 4-3 1 KakehashiJk12w 4-3 1 AsauenoJk13e 4-3 1 TakayoshitoshiJk13w 5-2 1 FujiwaraJk14e 4-3 1 TakagenjiJk14w 6-1 1 AsanoJk15w 4-3 1 KotomiyakuraJk17e 4-3 1 OyamadaJk17w 4-3 1 AotoJk18w 5-2 1 DaishozenJk19w 5-2 1 TakaneJk20e 4-3 1 MasayaJk22e 4-3 1 TsunekawaJk23w 4-3 1 **ShineiyamaJk8w 7-0 Y 2

Well.. :) He just got the Yusho I think. And now we have probably have 2 Juryo members dropping down (Kimurayama and Akiseyama) if Chiyoo loses again.. then looks more like 100%..

Osunaarashi's promotion to Juryo still not 100%, right now no Juryo demotions are 100%, Kimurayama looks likely for demotion, but the other guys still have a chance to turn it around. Both guys at Ms1 have already got KK's, so proabably need 3 demotions for even a Yusho to get Osunaarahi to Juryo. All depends what happens at lower Juryo over the next 3 days...

For me this is all very subjective. As Yokozuna promotion criteria has changed over time, (and still isn't written in stone anywhere), comparing Ozeki throughout the ages cannot really be done in my opinion, as the rank basically means different things at different times. There were quite a few Yokozuna promotions that should have never been, and vice versa some that should have been but weren't. Another factor is that the competition now is completely different from 200 years ago. e.g. Raiden has been mentioned a few times already; Legend has it that Raiden was about the size of Baruto. His contemporaries weren't even close to his size and weight. However, in the past 20-30 years there have been several more or less his size, and definitely a smaller gap between his size, and the average rikishi. If he had been transported to the future and was active now, does anybody really think he would have a 96.6 winning percentage?? Me thinks not... Competition pushes human athleticism to increase, and there being less competition back then hard to say how hard Raiden was actually pushed. Also, technically Raiden was an Ozeki, but this was at a time where Yokozuna title was an honorary title rather than a recognized rank. It has been mentioned that a Yokozuna 'license' was given by ruling families at the time, and it didn't even appear on the banzuke for those who had it, (they were listed as Ozeki). So really, Raiden reached sumo's highest rank, and if this discussion is aimed at the best rikishi reaching only sumo's second highest rank, then he should be disqualified from the discussion.

I am definitely rooting for him. Right now lower half of Juryo, nobody is failing too hard.. (except Kimarayama) so it may be tough as he is at Ms7e, and there may not be too many spots available... A yusho would be awesome, and would probably get him there.

If Kotonishiki counts statistically he would be the strongest, with 2 yusho, 8 kinboshi, (also 4 Jun-yusho and 18 sansho (although some when briefly at komusubi and sekiwaki)). http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12

Sugishita, no argument possible. Am in total agreement. High rank of Jk30e, after that spectacular fusen win!

Natsu has started, and our latest wall candidates are mostly off to a good start. After Day 4: Endo has started strong with consecutive wins, while Osunaarashi edged out fellow wallmate Hamaguchi on day 3, to improve his record to 2-0, giving Hamaguchi his first loss. If the above three continue to do well, next basho we could have an rare 3 wall members in Juryo. Concerning the new members, Ishiura is looking strong following his jonokuchi yusho last basho. The other jonokuchi graduates also faring well, all with at least 1 win. Sato barely got by his KK last basho, and at 0-2 so far, think he may hit the wall unless he turns it around soon. After day 8: Osunaarashi picked up his fourth win, for another KK to put his streak to 7 basho. The other guys in the upper Maegashira ranks, Endo, and Hamaguchi, are still in touch at 3-1 and 2-2 respectively, but looks like my hopes of 3 Juryo wall members next basho probably won't materialize. Down in Jonidan, Ishiura, and Kaiho have breezed through the first half of the basho, both securing KK's already. Sato has turned his poor start around with consecutive wins to put him even at 2-2, and the rest of the guys all with 3-1 records except for Majima and Shimada, both at 2-2. Could we possibly have 0 members hitting the wall this basho??? Update After Day 12: Good run this time. Sato and Shimada must pull off their last win to stay KK. This basho proved too tough for Majima, who was our first casualty to hit the wall this basho. Osunaarahsi still doing well, with a Makushita Yusho in his sights. Everybody else has already secured KK, very successful basho for our wall members. Final Update: Great basho for our wall members. Osunaarashi and Ishiura picked up the Yusho's at Makushita and Jonidon respectively. Shimada finsihed up with a win, to scrape through and stay on the list, whereas Sato joined Majima as being the second member to hit the wall at Natsu. 11 out of 13 still managed KK's, and there are a few more Jonokuchi guys that will be added to the list for Nagoya. Good job guys! The Wall Natsu 2013Rikishi2012.052012.072012.092012.112013.012013.032013.05Total KKOsunaarashiJk5w 7-0 YJd8w 5-1-1Sd75e 6-1Sd20e 6-1Ms38e 5-2Ms23e 6-1Ms7e 7-0Y7Hamaguchi [/td]Jk16w 7-0 DJd10w 7-0 DSd18e 4-3Sd7e 7-0 YMs12e 4-3Ms8e 5-26SatoJk14e 6-1Jd24w 4-3Jd2w 3-42EndoMs10TD 5-2Ms3e 5-22OmoriJk6e 5-2Jd50e 5-22IshiuraJk6w 7-0 Y Jd8w 7-0Y2OnoshoJk7e 6-1Jd17e 6-12MajimaJk7w 4-3 Jd62w 3-41KotoseigoJk8e 6-1Jd19e 6-12ShimadaJk8w 4-3Jd63e 4-32KaihoJk9e 5-2Jd53e 6-12BarakiJk10e 6-1Jd24e 5-22Kimishima4-3Jd63w 6-12

Quite impressive actually, almost 15 years in the top division (with only a very brief 1 basho drop down to Juryo due to injury).

I was curious if anybody ever received all sansho in one basho, and thought I'd share the results. Short list of 5... M9w Kotomitsuki 2000.11 Jun-Yusho (with a Kinboshi as well)... S1w Dejima 1999.07 Yusho M2e Takahanada 1992.01 Yusho M11w Onishiki 1973.09 Jun-Yusho (Kinboshi as well) S1e Daiju 1973.07 (Any insight somebody has on changes in how sansho have been awarded over the years would be cool.. )

Haru has come to a close with 2 of our original 5 members hitting the wall. While we say goodbye to Tsugaruumi and Iwasaki, Osunaarashi (especially) and Hamaguchi continued on strong in the upper echelons of Makushita, I am rooting for both of them to continue avoiding the wall. The Wall Haru 2013Rikishi2012.052012.072012.092012.112013.012013.03Total KKOsunaarashiJk5w 7-0 YJd8w 5-1-1Sd75e 6-1Sd20e 6-1Ms38e 5-2Ms23e 6-16TsugaruumiJk7w 5-2Jd63e 4-3Jd36w 4-3Jd15e 4-3Sd97w 4-3Sd77e 1-65Hamaguchi [/td]Jk16w 7-0 DJd10w 7-0 DSd18e 4-3Sd7e 7-0 YMs12e 4-35Iwasaki Jk17e 7-0 YJd11e 7-0 YSd18w 6-1Ms36e 4-3Ms28w 3-44SatoJk14e 6-1Jd24w 4-31 Quite a few new additions to the list for Natsu, here is the lineup: The Wall Natsu 2013Rikishi2012.052012.072012.092012.112013.012013.032013.05Total KKOsunaarashiJk5w 7-0 YJd8w 5-1-1Sd75e 6-1Sd20e 6-1Ms38e 5-2Ms23e 6-1 6Hamaguchi Jk16w 7-0 DJd10w 7-0 DSd18e 4-3Sd7e 7-0 YMs12e 4-3 5SatoJk14e 6-1Jd24w 4-3 2EndoMs10TD 5-2 1OmoriJk6e 5-2 1IshiuraJk6w 7-0 Y 1OnoshoJk7e 6-1 1MajimaJk7w 4-3 1KotoseigoJk8e 6-1 1ShimadaJk8w 4-3 1KaihoJk9e 5-2 1BarakiJk10e 6-1 1Kimishima4-3 1

Some great shots there, good work!

Latest update: Osunaarashi is having another good basho, currently at 5-1. Good on the Egyptian. Hamaguchi has likewise secured his KK, moving his total KK count up to 5. Tsugaruumi has continued his troubles for a 6th straight loss, and Iwasaki has joined him by also hitting the wall at Haru 2013. For Sato, it will come down to his final match, as he is currently sitting at a 3-3 record for the basho. The Wall Haru 2013Rikishi2012.052012.072012.092012.112013.012013.03Total KKOsunaarashiJk5w 7-0 YJd8w 5-1-1Sd75e 6-1Sd20e 6-1Ms38e 5-2Ms23e 5-16TsugaruumiJk7w 5-2Jd63e 4-3Jd36w 4-3Jd15e 4-3Sd97w 4-3Sd77e 0-65Hamaguchi [/td]Jk16w 7-0 DJd10w 7-0 DSd18e 4-3Sd7e 7-0 YMs12e 4-25Iwasaki Jk17e 7-0 YJd11e 7-0 YSd18w 6-1Ms36e 4-3Ms28w 2-44SatoJk14e 6-1Jd24w 3-31

Yep, thanks guys. Missed the fusen matches. Here is the list for the worst Yokozuna bashos, (considering kinboshi conceded) not including Fusen losses (couldn't figure out how to do that in a query though) There is a big tie with 4 kinboshi conceded, although Tochinioumi had done it on 3 separate basho. Kinboshi conceded in one bashoYokozunaBashoKinboshi ConcededTochinoumi 1964.07 4 Tochinoumi 1964.09 4Tochinoumi 1966.114Wakanohana 1999.05 4Wakanohana 1998.11 4Tochinishiki 1958.09 4Kotozakura 1974.03 4Mienoumi 1980.07 4Musashimaru 2001.09 4Asashoryu 2003.07 4

Also if anybody is curious, here is the list for most Kinboshi conceded in a single basho: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&group_by2=rikishi1&rank1=yokozuna&onlyl1=on&rank2=maegashira&winsopt2=2

Update: Osunaarashi, the Egyptian rikishi is doing well with 3 wins at the midpoint of the basho, and on his way to another KK. Hamaguchi and Sato similarly are on a roll, and just need 1 more win to secure their KK. Iwasaki had a rough start, but has won his last two matches to even out to 2-2. However Sd77 has proven to tough for Tsugaruumi, who with 4 straight losses has hit the wall at Hatsu 2013. The Wall Haru 2013Rikishi2012.052012.072012.092012.112013.012013.03Total KKOsunaarashiJk5w 7-0 YJd8w 5-1-1Sd75e 6-1Sd20e 6-1Ms38e 5-2Ms23e 3-15TsugaruumiJk7w 5-2Jd63e 4-3Jd36w 4-3Jd15e 4-3Sd97w 4-3Sd77e 0-45Hamaguchi [/td]Jk16w 7-0 DJd10w 7-0 DSd18e 4-3Sd7e 7-0 YMs12e 3-14Iwasaki Jk17e 7-0 YJd11e 7-0 YSd18w 6-1Ms36e 4-3Ms28w 2-24[tr]Sato[td]Jk14e 6-1Jd24w 3-11

Wakanohana The 66th Yokozuna. 66 matches against Maegashira and 21 losses.

Did some statistics to see which yokozunas have had the best ratios against Maegashira in both the 15 day modern era bashos and before... As Asahosakari stated, really shows how strong Hakuho has been... at 1 loss every 28 matches.. Best Overall: Tachiyama -- No losses Hakuho -- 1:28 Tamanoumi -- 1:20.33 Tsenenohana -- 1:10.7 Futabayama -- 1:9.64 Asashoryu -- 1:9.36 Best Modern Era (15 day basho only) Hakuho 1:28 Tamanoumi -- 1:20.33 Asashoryu -- 1:9.36 Worst Overall Musashiyama 1:2.42 Tochinoumi -- 1:2.6 Maedayama -- 1:2.6 Meinoumi -- 1:3 Wakanohana -- 1:3.14