Retirements after Nagoya 2006

[Naganoyama]

In the absence of the main man (may it be fleeting):

SHIKONA	NAME	HEYA	HEIGHT	WEIGHT	DOB	BIRTHPLACE	HIGHEST_RANK
Wakatsutomu	Hiroki Nakao	Matsugane	172	165	13 - February - 1973	Wakayama	Maegashira #12
Tatsutsukasa	Tatsushi Aoyama	Irumagawa	189	110	15 - October - 1979	Aichi	Sandanme #7
Seiryu	Hirokazu Yasuda	Nishonoseki	175	111	23 - October - 1978	Aichi	Sandanme #17
Tsuteno	Tatsuya Nonaka	Nakamura	177	108	10 - August - 1976	Osaka	Sandanme #44
Ogurayama	Satoshi Kamada	Musashigawa	175	102	15 - May - 1984	Oita	Sandanme #95
Aoiyama	Shigenobu Nakamura	Nakamura	179	120	24 - April - 1980	Aichi	Jonidan #5
Miyakomusashi	Masakazu Hitomi	Musashigawa	188	120	19 - May - 1986	Kyoto	Jonidan #34
Komaasagiri	Takafumi Yamamoto	Hanaregoma	176	128	15 - June - 1984	Kumamoto	Jonidan #60
Araki	Kengo Araki	Magaki	178	114	21 - July - 1989	Shizuoka	Jonidan #70
Hidehikari	Koki Den	Kitanoumi	177	78	04 - September- 1989	Hyogo	Jonidan #104
Wakashiraishi	Takeru Shiraishi	Magaki	178	128	08 - May - 1989	Oita	Jonokuchi #27
Tateno	Yu Tateno	Shikoroyama	178	116	19 - April - 1990	Osaka	Jonokuchi #40
Oka	Takayuki Oka	Isegahama	170	75	06 - March - 1984	Hyogo	Jonokuchi #46

Edited July 28, 2006 by Naganoyama

[Guest Quentooshu]

Is this a typical number of retirees after a basho? Especially this many in the Jonokuchi and Jonidan divisions?

[Doitsuyama]

Is this a typical number of retirees after a basho? Especially this many in the Jonokuchi and Jonidan divisions?

Well, it looks a bit on the low side to me. You can look for yourself on the page of one of my favorite writers on this forum. ;-)

[Asashosakari]

I actually expected a lot more retirements in Jonokuchi, given that 13 guys in the division missed Nagoya basho. Instead the banzuke-gai list has been given a bump, with 8 guys falling off the rankings for Aki. Incidentally, anybody know who the 2 (?) returnees will be?

Random useless observation...Komaasagiri retired with a career record of 46-41-46. Pretty 'impressive' number of absences, especially since he still never fell off the banzuke even though he never had much room to spare (highest rank only Jd60 as Naganoyama mentioned).

Edited July 26, 2006 by Asashosakari

[ilovesumo]

But still not officially....what about Minemura? It's getting interesting...

[Asashosakari]

But still not officially....what about Minemura? It's getting interesting...

He's one of the 8 guys who are now banzuke-gai. That could mean anything...maybe he's trying to come back, maybe no decision has been made yet and his shisho is giving him more time to decide, maybe they just forgot to hand in the retirement papers on time. ;-)

[Asojima]

He's one of the 8 guys who are now banzuke-gai.

Do you have a link for the current banzuke-gai list?

[Asashosakari]

Do you have a link for the current banzuke-gai list?

Just found which two are returning next basho (I must have overlooked Moti's post before), so here's the updated list for Aki:

Banzuke-gai changes for Aki 2006
Shikona	Heya	Last ranked	Career record
Returned (2)
Kuramochi	Miyagino	2006 Haru	(12-12-18)
Kuwana	Kasugano	2006 Haru	(40-44-14)
Retired (2)

OkaIsegahama2005 Nagoya(0-0-7)WakashiraishiMagaki2006 Hatsu(6-13-16)

Newly Off Banzuke (8)

AsakomiyaTakasago2006 Nagoya(0-0-7)EigashimaOtake2006 Nagoya(15-26-15)HatodanrikiDewanoumi2006 Nagoya(33-45-20)HiguchiMiyagino2006 Nagoya(2-5-7)KotokanekoSadogatake2006 Nagoya(58-104-20)KototakairaSadogatake2006 Nagoya(2-5-7)MinemuraMusashigawa2006 Nagoya(62-57-21)OtozaiMiyagino2006 Nagoya(0-0-7)

Still Off Banzuke (11)

YasumiyaMagakinever ranked(0-0)KinryuzanMatsugane2005 Aki(41-30-27)AsaamamiTakasago2005 Kyushu(7-10-11)IkinoshimaTamanoi2006 Hatsu(31-32-14)HariyaMichinoku2006 Haru(24-40-13)KanaiMichinoku2006 Haru(6-15-7)KidaArashio2006 Haru(12-17-13)HisanoumiTagonoura2006 Natsu(97-88-32)TamabuzanKataonami2006 Natsu(29-48-14)TetsuhikariShikihide2006 Natsu(156-129-58)WakamikasaMagaki2006 Natsu(42-52-32)

[serv]

Is this a typical number of retirees after a basho? Especially this many in the Jonokuchi and Jonidan divisions?

retirees from the Jonokuchi and Jonidan are not really retirees. they are little kids. I think they quit it for some reason. It is hard to be in the sumo world for ordinaries. only the meant sumo wrestlers stay in the business...

Edited July 27, 2006 by serv

[Jonosuke]

Just to add the missing names:

Tatsutsukasa - Tatsushi Aoyama

Seiryu - Hirokazu Yasuda

Tsuteno - Tatsuya Nonaka

Aoiyama - Shigenobu Nakamura

[Asashosakari]

retirees from the Jonokuchi and Jonidan are not really retirees. they are little kids.

Umm, if you had looked at Naganoyama's table above, you would have seen that several of the Jonidan and Jonokuchi retirees are more than 20 years old, hardly "little kids". At any rate, I'm pretty sure nobody here was confused about the term "retiree" in the first place...it's pretty clear it only refers to retirement from active competition, not old-age retirement.

only the meant sumo wrestlers stay in the business...

Don't tell that to all the rikishi who are 25+ years old but never advanced beyond Sandanme...

[serv]

being in Sandanme means still in the sumo business...

[Asashosakari]

being in Sandanme means still in the sumo business...

Ah, so what I took to be an opinion of yours was actually just a tautology. Gotcha.

[Guest Quentooshu]

Thank you for the insights, everyone!

Oka Isegahama 2005 Nagoya (0-0-7)

Same line of questioning. Is the above typical? A rikishi enters one tournament, misses every match, and then retires from sumo?

I'm envisioning some horrible injury here.

[Asojima]

I'm envisioning some horrible injury here.

At 170 cm and only 75 kg, and already at 22 yrs, he doesn't sound like he was that good of a prospect. He entered in May 05 and never had a hon-basho match. There can be many reasons why he may have left besides an injury. He may have been given a year to decide whether he was right for sumo and vice versa. He may have had personal problems. He may have clearly had no hope of any success, and was sent home after a year.

He is not typical, but he is far from unprecedented.

[Guest Quentooshu]

I'm envisioning some horrible injury here.

At 170 cm and only 75 kg, and already at 22 yrs, he doesn't sound like he was that good of a prospect. He entered in May 05 and never had a hon-basho match. There can be many reasons why he may have left besides an injury. He may have been given a year to decide whether he was right for sumo and vice versa. He may have had personal problems. He may have clearly had no hope of any success, and was sent home after a year.

He is not typical, but he is far from unprecedented.

Egads. He's smaller than I am! And I'm not about to go into sumo any time in the near future!

Why was he entered into a basho at all if he wasn't going to show up? Is there some set of rules in place that requires that?

[Zentoryu]

Why was he entered into a basho at all if he wasn't going to show up? Is there some set of rules in place that requires that?

Well he passed through Mae-zumo, so he was placed on the new banzuke. The Kyokai had no idea if he intended to show up for the next basho or not (the banzuke is made within a week of the end of the previous tournament after all) and they weren't going to go back and change it if he didn't.

Edited July 27, 2006 by Zentoryu

[Asashosakari]

Why was he entered into a basho at all if he wasn't going to show up? Is there some set of rules in place that requires that?

He participated in maezumo in Natsu 2005, so he appeared on the banzuke for Nagoya, but didn't show up for the basho itself.

I'm leaning towards "injury" as the reason for his prolonged absence...guys who run away normally aren't given a full year to think things through. Then again, it's Isegahama-beya, which might be a bit desperate for recruits, so who knows.

[Naganoyama]

Just to add the missing names:

Tatsutsukasa - Tatsushi Aoyama

Seiryu - Hirokazu Yasuda

Tsuteno - Tatsuya Nonaka

Aoiyama - Shigenobu Nakamura

Thanks. I am useless at reading Japanese names.

[Asashosakari]

Thanks. I am useless at reading Japanese names.

As Doitsuyama is fond of pointing out, so are most Japanese if no kana are provided for the correct reading. (Holiday feeling...) The missing names are obviously available on the Japanese side of the database, but in lieu of corroborating information from a different source (like Jonosuke now), you'd have to engage in pure guesswork to figure them out yourself.