Kotooshu dodges a bullet again

[Xris]

(now watch me be proven absolutely wrong ... by having him go on a rampgage and win his next 5 bouts by getting his preferred grip and manhandling the opposition from the solid tachiai on)

... or by loosing all bouts until the end of the basho, except tomorrow of course if Baruto is out !

[stunny]

I really wonder, if i am more mad, than Kotooshu for his loses. For sure he doesnt fight as he used to. I see him being completely dumb in few bouts, loosing from weaker rikishi. Making his kachi koshi in a struggle is a pain for me. I just hope, this Aki basho will be the last of the struggle. I do remember the time no longer than an year ago, when he was throwing his oponents left and right, with powerful uwatenages. The best uwatenage this basho was vs Tokitenku, but i wonder what is going on with the real Kotooshu. Maybe the trainer, maybe the injury, maybe just psychic. But dont follow your illusions, that it will last forever. He does belong to the sumo top fighters, along with Hakuho and Baruto. Yes, Baruto is in a black hole too. I was wondering what the heck is he waiting for and not throwing Ama in the 3rd row. Things like that happen. Waiting for the previous Kotooshu to return...

(Nodding yes...)

[Fukurou]

I really wonder, if i am more mad, than Kotooshu for his loses. For sure he doesnt fight as he used to. I see him being completely dumb in few bouts, loosing from weaker rikishi.

Maybe he should spend more time training and practicing, and less time making commercials?

[Ikkakujuu]

I'm starting to wonder what part of his disappointing performance is due to his injuries and what to the change of oyakata. He kind of stagnated after Kotonowaka took over Sodogatake. This is a wild guess but may be he is treated too kindly by his new oyakata. May be he needs more harsh attitude. What do you all think?

[stunny]

I would like to see what does rampage means in terms of Kotooshu. If only he had a piece of the fighting spirit of Ama... Anyway, Kotooshu often is henka-ed, so he is afraid to just buldoze at the tachi-ai...

[Shomishuu]

Just rambling here and of course way to early for any conclusion...but the worst case scenario for Kotooshu is that - due to his refusal to take a basho off to allow his injured knee to recover, the injury has already become somewhat chronic. So that even though he doesn't appear to be favoring it, it still won't respond normally. Dejima is probably a good case in point...just looking at him you can't tell he's favoring anything, but anyone who's watched him since he entered makuuchi can tell his legs just don't drive the way they used to because of his chronic injuries. I am not a medical person, so if it sounds like I'm just making this up, it's because I am. Neverless, I do think about that. Maybe Kaikitsune or someone with more medical knowledge can enlighten us further.

[Guest Ganryu]

Just rambling here and of course way to early for any conclusion...but the worst case scenario for Kotooshu is that - due to his refusal to take a basho off to allow his injured knee to recover, the injury has already become somewhat chronic. So that even though he doesn't appear to be favoring it, it still won't respond normally. Dejima is probably a good case in point...just looking at him you can't tell he's favoring anything, but anyone who's watched him since he entered makuuchi can tell his legs just don't drive the way they used to because of his chronic injuries. I am not a medical person, so if it sounds like I'm just making this up, it's because I am. Neverless, I do think about that. Maybe Kaikitsune or someone with more medical knowledge can enlighten us further.

Well put... Whereas arm injuries kind of go away in time if the rikishi is careful and smart enough (witness Asa's wrist in the last basho, any problems now?), these leg, ankle, and back things seem to snowball. That's part of what makes sumo such a tough sport, and why sumo makes me wince as much as any that doesn't allow punching. But the argument about other sports holds true in sumo -- staying healthy is as much a part of the game as technique, stamina, training, heart, etc. And as far as health goes, Kotooshu looks like he'll either go the way of Dejima or retire early.... nowhere to go but down from here unless he rests... which he won't.

[yamaneko]

kotooshu dodged a big bullet today as baruto who dispatched him last basho is out, and kotooshu gets the fusen victory. He needs every one he can get.

He also "lucked out" that since kaio is out, and kotomitsuki is in his heya, he gets a day 12 matchup with iwakiyama. Not a gimmie, but a very good chance of winning

so with two of these favorable things, that means he only has to beat iwakiyama, and either asa, hakuho, or chiyotaikai to get kachikoshi.

This guy is becoming the heartbreak kid with his near death (mk) experiences.

[Ikkakujuu]

I don't know what's wrong with him. Ever since reaching Ozeki he has seemed absolutely incapable of getting his favoured grip, or really any grip at all. He hits semi-high at the tachiai, fumbles around, gets thrown left and right by mobile rikishi, or pounded back by the powerful, and manages a win only through kismet or dumb-luck.

When he does get that grip, he hurls his opponent like nobody's business, but without it he looks like a lame duck flailing less powerfully than Miyabiyama.

Despite all this, I can't predict a makekoshi. It's possible, mind you, but the man has gotten a single make-koshi his entire sumo career, and that was at shin-komosubi. That's pretty impressive. He seems to have hit a barrier to progress, but I think he'll be able to stay stable eking out a kachikoshi.

(now watch me be proven absolutely wrong by having him go on a rampgage and win his next 5 bouts by getting his preferred grip and manhandling the opposition from the solid tachiai on)

LOL-he did have 5 wins after your post ;-)

[SalParadise]

I made the same disclaimer in my post about the Baruto-Roho bout, and that came true as well. I'm an idiot savant. Or just an idiot. But at least I know my weaknesses.

[yamaneko]

Id say that despite the 10-5 record, more than any other recent basho he dodged a bullet here.

1. He got a fusen win over baruto who owned him in the previous basho.

2. He got a maegashira guy instead of the kyujo kaio.

3. As usual he gets one more maegashira guy instead of kotomitsuki.

4. Because of Ama, his bout with asashoryu was changed to a maegashira guy.

5. He got Hakuho in his worst basho in quite a while, injury or not.

He did look strong against chiyotaikai though.

He stayed pretty much injury free this basho, and toward the end showed some glimpses of his 05 level, where he would win with a unique uate throw, or else just getting his favorite grip like against taikai. Lets see now that he will have 4 months of relatively free keiko under his belt by the next basho, if he can return to form. He just seems so unbalanced and bumbly lately.

[SalParadise]

He was two wins over regular KK, that means 3 losses would have made him MK.

Hakuho he beat fair and square, there is no 'luck' in your opponent not having his A-game that day, otherwise we'd be constantly talking about wins against Hokutoriki or Kotomitsuki being 'lucky' which is sheer silliness.

So that leaves us with:

- 'a maegashira guy for kotomitsuki'

- Baruto's fusensho

- Kaio's kyujo

- No Asashoryuu

The first point is irrelevant. Entirely. And he'd have to have lost the other 3 to go MK. Don't think that would have happened, as Baruto wasn't looking that good either, and Kaio, well...

The 8-7 at Ozeki, THAT was dodging a bullet. This is getting a little banzuke luck, but he also looked really good the second week.

[Sashohitowa]

I don't agree that Kotooshu would have been an easy victim to Asashoryu, Baruto, Kaio or Kotomitsuki.

Just comparing his performance against Ciyotaikai and Hakuho to Asashoryu's.

So, like I said in another post, I am sorry that the pairings went like that. I don't think that in this form of Kotooshu, this has been luck for him. Just the opposite - he didn't have the opportunity to prove that he is getting better.

[Ikkakujuu]

Id say that despite the 10-5 record, more than any other recent basho he dodged a bullet here.

1. He got a fusen win over baruto who owned him in the previous basho.

2. He got a maegashira guy instead of the kyujo kaio.

3. As usual he gets one more maegashira guy instead of kotomitsuki.

4. Because of Ama, his bout with asashoryu was changed to a maegashira guy.

5. He got Hakuho in his worst basho in quite a while, injury or not.

He did look strong against chiyotaikai though.

He stayed pretty much injury free this basho, and toward the end showed some glimpses of his 05 level, where he would win with a unique uate throw, or else just getting his favorite grip like against taikai. Lets see now that he will have 4 months of relatively free keiko under his belt by the next basho, if he can return to form. He just seems so unbalanced and bumbly lately.

You are keen on assesing the possibilites and forget to comment on the real facts.

Let's see what are the losses of Kotooshu.

He lost to very genki Aminishiki and Roho.

At least half of Kokkai's (also in very good form) win was luck-Kotooshu was marching him out when Kokkai timed perfect throw. I'm not sure what will be the outcome in ten such possibilites. In my opinion 8:2 Koto.

His ozeki brother pulled, let's say, controversial tachi-ai.

So the sole loss that should have really been win is Dejima.

[maxim]

Like I said earlier, September is his strong month if you look at his record. He looked much better this basho, despite some ridiculous losses against lower ranked rikishi.

I don't know about you, but I'm very eager to see the two "wounded Ozeki" - Kotooshu and Tochiazuma, back in top form. Everybody seems to have forgotten about them.

[yamaneko]

Hakuho he beat fair and square, there is no 'luck' in your opponent not having his A-game that day, otherwise we'd be constantly talking about wins against Hokutoriki or Kotomitsuki being 'lucky' which is sheer silliness.

Why do you keep quoting "luck" as if that was in my post there? I said he "dodged a bullet." About hakuho, i said (fact) this was hakuho's worst basho in quite a long time. So anyone, including kotooshu who went up against him had a better chance to win than in recent previous basho. Hakuho did not look sharp this basho, and looks like it was from injury perhaps

The first point is irrelevant. Entirely.

No, its entirely relevant as in he is the only ozeki with a sanyaku heya mate..just because this is always a given, does not mean that it is any less of an advantage. It just so happens that this basho there were so many other "advantages" that helped him "dodge a bullet"

Baruto wasnt looking good when he went up against people who took advantage of his poor tachiai (pretty much same from last basho when he beat osh). I dont think ive heard anyone on this board say that kotooshu has taken advantage of anyone's tachiai. Not to say it would have been a guaranteed victory for osh, but again, it was a fusen win, which against anyone is advantageous when youre battling MK, but especially against someone who 8 weeks previous had your number.

With Kaio, id rather face a maegashira than a healthy kaio...obviously the reson kaio was kyujo was because he was unhealthy again.

If he shows the sumo he did though in the final days, he shouldnt need any dodging of bullets, or as some have said "banzuke luck" next basho.

[SalParadise]

Why do you keep quoting "luck" as if that was in my post there? I said he "dodged a bullet." About hakuho, i said (fact) this was hakuho's worst basho in quite a long time. So anyone, including kotooshu who went up against him had a better chance to win than in recent previous basho. Hakuho did not look sharp this basho, and looks like it was from injury perhaps

Because 'dodging a bullet' is luck, kismet, fate, whatever you want to call it. It is something outside your control, as there is no actual way to dodge a bullet. And I am not quoting 'luck,' I am paraphrasing you. There is a difference.

No, its entirely relevant as in he is the only ozeki with a sanyaku heya mate..just because this is always a given, does not mean that it is any less of an advantage. It just so happens that this basho there were so many other "advantages" that helped him "dodge a bullet"

If we are to take your logic on this one to its conclusion, then Kotooshuu should not be an ozeki, since he only made it because he didn't have to face Kotomitsuki. You are counting matches against Kotomitsuki as a loss, otherwise this wouldn't be a case of him "dodging a bullet" with that as a factor.

Baruto wasnt looking good when he went up against people who took advantage of his poor tachiai (pretty much same from last basho when he beat osh). I dont think ive heard anyone on this board say that kotooshu has taken advantage of anyone's tachiai. Not to say it would have been a guaranteed victory for osh, but again, it was a fusen win, which against anyone is advantageous when youre battling MK, but especially against someone who 8 weeks previous had your number.

So Asashoryuu would be lucky if he got a Fusen win against Kisenosato? After all, 8 weeks previous Kisenosato had the Yokozuna's number.

With Kaio, id rather face a maegashira than a healthy kaio...obviously the reson kaio was kyujo was because he was unhealthy again.

If he shows the sumo he did though in the final days, he shouldnt need any dodging of bullets, or as some have said "banzuke luck" next basho.

And I say that he's lucky he didn't have to face a healthy Chiyonofuji! Or Akebono! Or Musashimaru! Or Taiho! Because lemme tell you, he would have had trouble on that one. Talk about "banzuke luck!"

Your assumption is that Kotooshuu would have been hard pressed to make KK had he faced 'regular' opponents. The problem is that your assumption is predicated on the premise that wishes are fishes, and ifs and buts are candy and nuts.

IF Kaio had been healthy...

IF Ama had performed worse...

IF Baruto hadn't gotten injured...

IF Kotomitsuki was from another stable...

Kotooshuu would have beaten the snot out of an injured Kaio. And he got unlucky that he actually had to fight a healthy rikishi, even a lower ranked one, rather than getting an injured kaio or a fusensho against him. And he got unlucky that Ama performed so well so that he didn't get a chance to toss Asashoryuu out of the ring and grab all those kensho. And he was incredibly unlucky that he didn't get to fight Baruto again and show that he can beat him. And it's a damned shame that he's unlucky not to be able to face Kotomitsuki, because he could show that he could beat Kotomitsuki any day of the week.

Or not.

But the assumptions can go either way. You assume the worst, I don't. How pessimistic do you have to be to believe that Kotooshuu would have definitely lost two or three of those matches?

It's sumo, not the hypothetical sport. He had to face 15 rikishi. He won against 10 of them. This is not 'dodging a bullet.' Dodging a bullet would have been going 8-7 with a fusen win over Baruto. Not a 10-5 tournament that requires 4 (incredibly unlikely) hypotheticals to occur to explain how close he was to losing.

[yamaneko]

Because 'dodging a bullet' is luck, kismet, fate, whatever you want to call it. It is something outside your control, as there is no actual way to dodge a bullet. And I am not quoting 'luck,' I am paraphrasing you. There is a difference.

Well, dont use quotation marks then as if i said that. Personally i view the two phrases as different things. If you dont, thats totally fine, anyone can look at words however they want to, just give me that same right without putting quotes on things i didnt say.

If we are to take your logic on this one to its conclusion, then Kotooshuu should not be an ozeki, since he only made it because he didn't have to face Kotomitsuki. You are counting matches against Kotomitsuki as a loss, otherwise this wouldn't be a case of him "dodging a bullet" with that as a factor.

No, when did anyone say he "only" made it because he didnt have to face mickey? I am NOT counting matches against him as a loss (and even if i were, that still would not be the difference between getting ozeki and not). Might it have been PART of the reason he got ozeki? One could argue that...but JUST AS IN THIS case, a very small part. Dont act like im making the mickey thing a big deal...its just one of the many fortunate banzuke things in this basho (and all bashos) that help him. Its not the sole reason he got KK, nor is it even the direct result of a win. Just like i said, there arent many people on the banzuke who would rather face mickey than a random maegashira. Its a plus. Just like the last couple years...im sure hakurozan much prefers facing a random maegashira than his brother. Does that mean its a guarnateed loss if he faces roho? No, just something that no doubt he feels he would have a better chance at.

So Asashoryuu would be lucky if he got a Fusen win against Kisenosato? After all, 8 weeks previous Kisenosato had the Yokozuna's number.

Again, were not talking luck, but in response to this....What? Hadnt asashoryu had a history of owning kisenosato in all of their previous bouts? Kisenosato had never even won one previous to this basho I thought. So how could kise of had the yokozunas number? I dont think it can be said that the yokozuna dodges a bullet against not having to face anyone but hakuho, and even that is a stretch.

Your assumption is that Kotooshuu would have been hard pressed to make KK had he faced 'regular' opponents. The problem is that your assumption is predicated on the premise that wishes are fishes, and ifs and buts are candy and nuts.

Yes, had he had regular matches that are "regular." For example, this was the first time he had not had to face asashoryu in a tournament where asa was participating since when? 2004? For the first time in a year or so...(?) Hakuho was not at his regular level due to injury. Kaio he didnt have to face. He didnt have to face the m1 opponent who beat him in their only other match, etc. No ONE thing here is the deciding factor in his dodging a bullet. But all put together, its very fortunate. Were there any other sanyaku who had these things going for them going into the last 4/5 days?

How pessimistic do you have to be to believe that Kotooshuu would have definitely lost two or three of those matches?

Has nothing to do with pessimism. He had lost 2 out of 3 to chiyotaikai. Kaio might have been victory, but i wouldnt call kaio a guaranteed victory for anyone when hes relatively healthy. He had lost his only bout to baruto in the past, and does not have the kind of sumo that eposes baruto's weakness. (again, not saying guaranteed loss, but i wouldnt say even close to guaranteed victory). To a healthy hakuho, he had lost 4 straight, and none of them were that close to my memory. He had lost 5 out of 6 to asashoryu. Saying he might lose a few of those matches is realism, not pessimism. Saying he would beat the odds and win despite his track record, yes thats optimism.

He dodged a bullet this basho with so many things going for him in the last 4/5 days alone. However, especially in the chiyotaikai match he did show signs that the kotoshu of the ozeki run might be back next basho. Im predicting the death of this thread next basho (being optimistic, yup!), and i feel kotooshu will beat the odds and get back to possible 11-12 wins.

[SalParadise]

Well, dont use quotation marks then as if i said that. Personally i view the two phrases as different things. If you dont, thats totally fine, anyone can look at words however they want to, just give me that same right without putting quotes on things i didnt say.

This may be due to a regional difference. Americans use double quotes exclusively for quotes, with the sole exception being nested quotes in which a single-quote may be used. Therefore, single-quotes are used for emphasis in informal writing describing my beliefs regarding a paraphrased opinion of yours, rather than something you actually stated as a direct quote.

Regardless, 'luck' is a favorable definition for me to attribute to what you were saying. The way you're using it, and the way it's usually used, is to explain how something (negative for the subject) has been narrowly avoided in a manner that they have no control over.

Dodging a bullet would be for Kotooshuu to be slated to fight Superman on day 15 with a 7-7 record, only to find out that the dohyo is built around a base of Kryptonite. Ending up at 10-5 with a single fusensho is not dodging a bullet, because it was neither a really close call, nor were the 'bullets' in question very likely to hit him for the most part.

Sample size of one is rather insignificant in determining future performance of Baruto versus Kotooshuu.

Assuming Kaio would be healthy as a 30-something rikishi with chronic back problems is an unfair assumption.

Assuming that Kotomitsuki facing Kotooshuu would result in a worse record for Kotooshuu strikes me as rather preposterous (bearing in mind that Kotomitsuki has some obscene number of 8-7 basho in a row, in which a single bout against Kotooshuu instead of an upper/mid-maegashira would have/could have sent him to make-koshi, and sent up one of those maegashira guys that you are saying are so cheesy up in his place).

Stating Hakuho's poor performance as a reason for Kotooshuu's success entirely ignores the fact that Kotooshuu isn't healthy right now either.

Assuming that Asashoryuu would win is generally safe, though Kotooshuu has won against him before. Furthermore this is the only bout that you can be reasonably certain of the outcome (in comparison to a mid-maegashira rikishi), and a loss would have only made Kotooshuu 9-6, not 7-8.

Hell, I think Asashoryuu dodged a bullet. If Kotooshuu had been healthy, then Asashoryuu wouldn't have been able to get a yusho with only 2 losses! And Hell, if he had to face Kotooshuu instead of Ama, he'd have had 3 losses!

So let's all talk about how Asashoryuu dodged a bullet, yeah?

[yamaneko]

Ive explained enough while even more than the 8-7 basho where he did not have to "beat the odds" on the last few days to get kk, he did dodge a bullet this basho. If you have your own definition of dodging bullets, thats fine, more power to you.

I dont remember when, i believe day 10 or 11, but at that point it seemed almost certain kotooshu was going to MK. He was showing some pretty bad sumo again, and as stated above, he had a slate of bouts where he would be the underdog in (or at least not that favorite, based on his sumo to that point) , but had to win a few of them to get KK. It was MORE of a close call than the 8-7 ones that he pulled out on the last day against someone he was favored against at that time. In each of those tournaments, on day 12/13, you could almost predict, ok, he will lose to asashoryu, win against a hobbling tochiazuma or whatever, etc. etc. This one i really didnt see him getting out of until the cards started being changed.

Kaio being genki...well, the last two basho he had a better record than osh. Not saying that osh wouldnt be favored against him, but he did seem pretty decent the previous two basho, id still rather have faced a tamanoshima rather than kaio if kaio was at the form of his last 2/3 basho.

Again, are you saying youd prefer to face kotomitsuki...someone who has stayed at sekiwake forever, even having to face sanyaku...or a maegashira stalwart like iwakiyama, he cant even always get KK facing the lower guys? Unless the maegashira is some up and coming guy like baruto, id always prefer to face one of the maegashira rather than someone who is a proven commodity in sanyaku.

If you want to talk about asashoryu dodging a bullet, go right ahead. You have shown you have a different viewpoint of dodging bullets. Personally, i dont think one dodges a bullet unless its a dramatic end like kk or yusho on senshuraku, and even more than a kk on senshuraku, a case like this where there are like 4/ 5 not normal-for-a-rikishi things that all happen in the last 4-5 days one after another.

[Ikkakujuu]

I dont remember when, i believe day 10 or 11, but at that point it seemed almost certain kotooshu was going to MK. He was showing some pretty bad sumo again

Can you please tell me when he performed the pretty bad sumo-against Kisenosato may be? Or Miyabiyama? May be Tokitenku?

Ok, ok lets see the bouts that he lost. Kokkai-pretty bad sumo from Osh, right? Tz-tz-tz, don't think so. Tochiazuma-nice tachi-ai by him. If he went straight the winner would have probably been our MK candidate.

Pretty bad were Dejima and Roho-so that makes (in my opinion, mind you) 2 bad bouts of Osh's side for the first ten days. And you are right-that makes him really going for MK..."almost certain" is what you say I believe. I just can not understand how you can say he is lucky not to be MK-he crushed with ease his two nemesis-Kisenosato and Hakuho. With ease, real ease. But may be you are right-he is supposed to lose all the time-after all it's his normal condition and he needs luck to avoid demotion. (Clapping wildly...)

[SalParadise]

yamaneko, you're confusing YOUR perception of Kotooshuu and his sumo with what actually happened. Which is your prerogative I guess. Don't get surprised when people disagree with you because you use an outlandish definition of a close call to come to your conclusions.

10-5 is not dodging a bullet, even if you were convinced he'd get an MK on day 10 or 11.

[yamaneko]

Can you please tell me when he performed the pretty bad sumo

Kotooshu we all thought was back after his great 3-0 start including beating kise for the first time in a while. But then he lost to aminishiki (not that bad since ami beat everyone else it seemed), Then he took another step back, giving Dejima his first win in the basho. Lost to Kokkai (was a great move by kokkai) even though he got his favorite grip, then lost to an injured azuma, then lost to roho. so lost 5 out of 6 at that point going into probable matchups of asa, hakuho, chiyotaikai, baruto ,alaready having the kaio bout replaced.

So even though osh was loosing to lower guys left and right, lets say it was a guaranteed victory that replacement match. It would be hard to guarantee a victory in any of those others as he lost the only time he faced baruto, lost the last few against asa, lost the last few against hakuho, lost his last one against taikai.

10-5 is not dodging a bullet

The record itself is not dodging a bullet, i never said it was. What happened since day 10 was dodging a bullet, when one thing after another started falling into place in kotooshu's favor. He dodged the mk bullet with that, as he would have had a very difficult time.

In nagoya, osh was 6-4 after day 10. He had remaining bouts against hakuho, Asashoryu, a couple of maegashira guys, and then Tochiazuma. You could pretty much say, ok, he will lose against hakuho and asa, which happened, but you had a good feeling about the other three bouts, especially on senshuraku with tochiazuma since he had lost something ridiculous like 6 in a row or something. He lost to roho, but still had that one loss to give. So even though he went 8-7 in that one, i wouldnt call it dodging a bullet AS MUCH as this one, since on paper he should have gotten kk. The dodging bullet in here more than anything imo would be the sub-parness of azuma on senshuraku.

In Natsu, osh was again 6-4 after day 10. With bouts remaining against asasekiryu, Miyabiyama, Hakuho, Kaio, Chiyotaikai. Id say this one is second place as far as dodging bullet factor. One would have expected osh to win against either asasekiryu, or possibly miyabiyama or kaio. But still some of those guys were on big runs. And other than hakuho, there was no second guarnteed loss since asashoryu was injured. So in that sense, theres another dodging of a bullet, even though it didnt help osh much since he lost to whomever was the asa bout replacement (either asasekiryu or miyabiyama).

Its true that on the record 8-7 is a lot closer. But that was never my point. My point was after day 10, what his record was (5/5 vs 6.4 6/.4) and then on PAPER what his odds were in his remaining matches, and then what happened after day 10 to help him "dodge the banzuke bullet"

[Ryukaze]

All's I gotta say is....ENOUGH OF THIS THREAD LETS MOVE ONTO SOMETHING ELSE. (Applauding...)

Edited September 30, 2006 by Ryukaze

[Asashosakari]

All's I gotta say is....ENOUGH OF THIS THREAD LETS MOVE ONTO SOMETHING ELSE. (Applauding...)

Are the pod people forcing you to read threads again?