ilovesumo Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 I can't help myself, but, are we allowed to post any recording? I mean,the rights to do so are at the Kyokai/ NHK. Money game we'll never win... :-| But...who needs any tour to make it more popular if people, that care for, can't see the bouts... Kyokai, NHK, give us a nhk/sumomovies.or.jp !
Doitsuyama Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 Doitsuyama-sama since you sound like your so on top of things perhaps you wouldnt mind picking up the slack for your boy dale??? Or even better reveal your "secret" to recording the video feed......... :-| I can't exactly do what Dale does (did?). I can only receive the NSK web stream (well, everone can...), but not the NHK TV which Dale (or info-sumo) processes (via TV Japan). So all I could do is posting videos from the stream which will be quite inferior when the info-sumo compilation appears. Since I am working at three projects now I likely won't commit the time for that (I'm not complaining, since I'm self-employed... only thinking how I can transfer some of that income to next year because of tax). You are free to record the stream yourself (and why not cutting the bouts yourself for the audience?) It's no secret, contrary to your belief, I have written about that before. You can record and cut just fine with WMRecorder. For pre-scheduled recording (which I need because of work) I find Streambox VCR best. You need to process the Streambox recording with WM Recorder again to get a nice asf-file to move freely around, fast forward, slow motion etc. Streambox VCR also has the important advantage that you can repeatedly try to start the recording (well, important with the crowded NSK stream for sure) and it is super stable. I read on the SML that the web stream stopped during the dohyo-iri. Well, luckily the Streambox recording did go until the end.
Asashosakari Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 (edited) You are free to record the stream yourself (and why not cutting the bouts yourself for the audience?) It's no secret, contrary to your belief, I have written about that before. You can record and cut just fine with WMRecorder. For pre-scheduled recording (which I need because of work) I find Streambox VCR best. You need to process the Streambox recording with WM Recorder again to get a nice asf-file to move freely around, fast forward, slow motion etc. I've been meaning to ask...is the WMR post-processing only necessary to get the file indexed? The last time I looked at WMR I ended up being rather confused, and since I do have a small utility laying around strictly for reindexing purposes, I'd rather go that route if that's all that is needed. If I can ever work up the interest to actually record the stream myself, that is... Edited July 12, 2006 by Asashosakari
Otokonoyama Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) It's difficult to have any sympathy for NHK in the whole sumo videos situation. As a public broadcaster, they receive gov't funds and also collect (mandatory) subscription fees from citzens, then turn around and give away the rights to their programs to a semi-private subsidiary, which sells NHK productions on video and DVD (making a tidy profit for "retired" NHK execs working there - the old golden handshake). None of these profits are actually funneled back into new programming for the people who ponied up the dough. Edited July 13, 2006 by Otokonoyama
sekihiryu Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 email me ('my shikona' at gmail) if you would like the day 4 videos. I made a 100mb file last night of 'sumo digest', decent quality. I will use a free file sharing upload site to distribute it. I actually just checked (after I made the above file!) a private torrent site I belong to that has sports and fighting sports on it, someone else has been uploading videos of this basho there, full coverage to start with then he changed to just capping sumo digest, looks like he has saved me from the job! Mail me if you want to know where to look and if you need an invite to the site if open memberships are closed.
Doitsuyama Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 You are free to record the stream yourself (and why not cutting the bouts yourself for the audience?) It's no secret, contrary to your belief, I have written about that before. You can record and cut just fine with WMRecorder. For pre-scheduled recording (which I need because of work) I find Streambox VCR best. You need to process the Streambox recording with WM Recorder again to get a nice asf-file to move freely around, fast forward, slow motion etc. I've been meaning to ask...is the WMR post-processing only necessary to get the file indexed? The last time I looked at WMR I ended up being rather confused, and since I do have a small utility laying around strictly for reindexing purposes, I'd rather go that route if that's all that is needed. If I can ever work up the interest to actually record the stream myself, that is... Yes, I need it for reindexing (I also use it to cut the bouts, actually). I tried other indexing tools, but none would work with the NSK asf-file (at least it didn't when I tried some years ago, maybe the stream is "cleaner" now). Re-recording the Streambox asf-file with WMRecorder did the trick.
Exil Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Be ready to be warned or banned by EXIL who hates P2P networks (Nodding yes...) Secondly, the quality of these videos is 10/10, almost PERFECT and the size is... minimum, the whole day into 800 MB. First of all, it's not a question of me liking or disliking p2p networks. My job is to keep Kaikitsune's forum out of trouble. And that includes avoiding cease-and-desist orders from NSK/NHK. We hope short, low-resolution clips of individual bouts are - while still technically illegal - not worth suing over. High-quality TV-rips are a completely different matter. Since anyone able to use Bittorrent can also google for sumo torrent, I feel that this link does not need to be here.
Odoriou Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 I have a slow internet connection and therefore I was always glad that Dale's videos usually were only between 1 and 4 MB in size and that you could download the most interesting bouts separately. The packages on info-sumo (not to mention those BitTorrent files) are much bigger... That's why I couldn't see any bouts of 2006 Nagoya basho yet :'-( - except the few that were so kindly uploaded by Doitsuyama... :-) Am I the only one who has this problem? (Nodding yes...)
Shimpu Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) I have a slow internet connection and therefore I was always glad that Dale's videos usually were only between 1 and 4 MB in size and that you could download the most interesting bouts separately. I'm using pretty fast adsl connection (2 Mbit) and I'm very glad with French videos (Nodding yes...) (which have better quality then Dale's or Doitsu's). To be honest I'd love to see these bouts in higher resolution (something like videos provided by Ken Coller) Edited July 13, 2006 by Shimpu
Asashosakari Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Yes, I need it for reindexing (I also use it to cut the bouts, actually). I tried other indexing tools, but none would work with the NSK asf-file (at least it didn't when I tried some years ago, maybe the stream is "cleaner" now). Re-recording the Streambox asf-file with WMRecorder did the trick. FWIW, I did try to record the stream today and it worked just fine, as did my reindexing tool. I'm a bit concerned that the filesize went down from 85 MB to 78 MB in the process (other streams I've indexed only lost a couple 100 KB at most), but the file seems to play okay.
Doitsuyama Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 FWIW, I did try to record the stream today and it worked just fine, as did my reindexing tool. I'm a bit concerned that the filesize went down from 85 MB to 78 MB in the process (other streams I've indexed only lost a couple 100 KB at most), but the file seems to play okay. Ha! I wouldn't be surprised if there is something wrong on close inspection, even if it appears ok. I got all sorts of mysterious results and hangups when trying to manipulate the NSK asf file with anything but WM Recorder, to be honest. On the other hand it could very well be possible that some asf format errors have been corrected meanwhile. Are you able to cut some bouts?
Asashosakari Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 FWIW, I did try to record the stream today and it worked just fine, as did my reindexing tool. I'm a bit concerned that the filesize went down from 85 MB to 78 MB in the process (other streams I've indexed only lost a couple 100 KB at most), but the file seems to play okay. Ha! I wouldn't be surprised if there is something wrong on close inspection, even if it appears ok. I got all sorts of mysterious results and hangups when trying to manipulate the NSK asf file with anything but WM Recorder, to be honest. On the other hand it could very well be possible that some asf format errors have been corrected meanwhile. Are you able to cut some bouts? I haven't yet had the time to check the whole stream for errors, but spot-checking it everything seems to play fine. Cutting sections from the stream works too, as far as I can tell...I've long been using this program for splitting videos, but rarely for asf/wmv files until now.
Asashosakari Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Well, with the three regular guys busy, I guess I'll pitch in... Day 5 bouts (2 Juryo + 20 Makuuchi), courtesy of the webstream
Fay Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Well, with the three regular guys busy, I guess I'll pitch in...Day 5 bouts (2 Juryo + 20 Makuuchi), courtesy of the webstream Couldn't see the bouts today on the livestream, so thank you for this!! Friend Roho doesn't look bad this basho, Kyukutenho does better from day to day, brave Mickey, Shogii, tomorrow is your day and Asashoryu and Kyukushuzan - there still is love between them (Hit the wall...)
Kintamayama Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Well, with the three regular guys busy, I guess I'll pitch in...Day 5 bouts (2 Juryo + 20 Makuuchi), courtesy of the webstream Thanks a lot for this!!
Cammy Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Well, with the three regular guys busy, I guess I'll pitch in...Day 5 bouts (2 Juryo + 20 Makuuchi), courtesy of the webstream Thanks (Hit the wall...) (Sign of approval)
Doitsuyama Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Well, with the three regular guys busy, I guess I'll pitch in...Day 5 bouts (2 Juryo + 20 Makuuchi), courtesy of the webstream Great! Finally someone doing my work! (Hit the wall...) I have shamelessly copied them to the banzuke.com site.
Asojima Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 Well, with the three regular guys busy, I guess I'll pitch in...Day 5 bouts (2 Juryo + 20 Makuuchi), courtesy of the webstream (Sign of approval) (Sign of approval) (Sign of approval) Thanks much for the work.
Asashosakari Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Great! Finally someone doing my work! (Hit the wall...) I'm not planning to make it a regular habit. (Hit the wall...) Edited July 13, 2006 by Asashosakari
Kintamayama Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) I missed the bouts today, and after watching: 1. KaioU did not beat Hakurozan. He ARRESTED him. I wonder if he read him his rights after he cuffed him. 2. Chiyotaikai and Kokkai seemed to get hurt. Am I right or is it me? 3. The Kyokai feed isn't THAT bad, when remembering how it used to be.. Edited July 13, 2006 by Kintamayama
Asashosakari Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 I missed the bouts today, and after watching:1. KaioU did not beat Hakurozan. He ARRESTED him. I wonder if he read him his rights after he cuffed him. "You have the right to remain bandaged..."
Takanorappa Posted July 13, 2006 Posted July 13, 2006 "You have the right to remain bandaged..." (Hit the wall...) Now, speaking of bandages, was Asashoryu missing his today? I couldn't quite tell from the vid.
Jakusotsu Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 Now that everybody is fed with footage (thanks, Asashosakari!), could someone please tell me what was the matter with Kitazakura? That was the most uninspired and lacklustre performance I've ever seen from him. If there was any apparent reason, that bout would scream that bad Y-word louder than any recent other. If I was a Kitazakura fan, I'd be honestly pissed.
Asojima Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 That was the most uninspired and lacklustre performance I've ever seen from him. While we are on the subject of lacklustre performances, has anyone else been watching Shoes On this basho? ;-)
Dale Posted July 14, 2006 Posted July 14, 2006 Ahh finally that answers my question, many thanks. Ren bro thanks for that link also, this definately doesnt sound good for the dohyo/banzuke.com videos which have been the only real source of watching the video's for me for years so this sucks! As those other links are far from complete ( only a handfull of bouts just doesn't quite cut it.....) I'm sorry. I'll try to resume the movies tomorrow night after work. I've been taping them, but I've yet to watch a single match. Probably not an encouraging sign for the long term. Dale Not anybody's "boy", thank you.
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