A good bad Basho @:-)

[eciq]

Hi,

We have ONE Yokozuna.....we lost him. We have A Yokozuna wanabee...we lost him..too.

What would that be? A Maegashira race? Almost. We have seen (still do) a Phoenix rise this yousho (there is a topic about it). We have seen an Yokozuna style ozeki loosing at MOST six matches in three bashos. We have seen the baltic tsunami who had a chance to win three consecutive yushos in three consecutive bashos. Now that will not happen. What happens is that we have this mountain of muscles ranked at M11 set up on day 14 and 15 against our yusho runners. A wise decision as I see it, but without Asa and Zuma, Mr Yoghurt beeing light, kadoban masters satisfied who should they put up against them?

I think it is a weak basho if we have a rookie (even if a future Yokozuna) to decide who will rise the emperors cup. I think it is a weak basho when one of the biggest highlights is Baradzov Batraz Feliksovich (aka Hakurozan) forthcommings. I think it is BAD basho when I score bad at GISP (Being unsure...) but it is still a basho to remember.

I see this poor basho as a start of new era. An era of GREAT Yokuzanas beeing born. I do NOT doubt that both Hakuho and Baruto will raise emperors cup at least ten times in the future, maybe twenty or more. The outcome of tomorrows bout really does not matter more than how quick Hakuho will become the Yokozuna (to beat). As for Baruto, this bout does not mean almost anything thinking about banzuke. Of course the bout itself means a lot for him if he can handle the Yokozuna, sorry I mean ozeki. But in the long run this bout means nothing cause Baruto WILL make Yokozuna sooner or later beating both Yokuzanas before he will be one too.

So was it a bad basho? Yes. Was it a basho to remember? No doubt. A good bout? Yes, Kitazakuras win over Baruto kicks ass :'-(

sincerely eciq

ps. and yes I DO believe that Miyabiyama will be ozeki. The question is who will be sekiwake if Kotomitsuki loose tomorrow

[Daigaiguma]

I don't see it as a bad basho at all. There were quite a few excellent matches (Ama v. Tokitenku comes to mind) and the prospect of seeing a new face hoist the Emperor's Cup makes it that much more exciting. Asashoryu is my favorite (top-flight) rikishi and I was sorry to see him go kyujo. However, the rise of Hakuho, the surprise of Miyabiyama, and the stomping onto the scene of Baruto has made this one of the more interesting bashos I've watched in a last time. And anytime the yusho is decided on the last day - and possibly with a play-off - is a good basho. Thanks to this basho, I'm all geared up for Nagoya. Especially since Baruto will be hoisted to at least high Maegashira and will almost certainly face Asashoryu in the first week or so.

So I say bring on Senshuraku (today!). This was one of my favorite bashos in recent memory.

(Sign of approval)

[eciq]

I don't see it as a bad basho at all. There were quite a few excellent matches (Ama v. Tokitenku comes to mind) and the prospect of seeing a new face hoist the Emperor's Cup makes it that much more exciting. Asashoryu is my favorite (top-flight) rikishi and I was sorry to see him go kyujo. However, the rise of Hakuho, the surprise of Miyabiyama, and the stomping onto the scene of Baruto has made this one of the more interesting bashos I've watched in a last time. And anytime the yusho is decided on the last day - and possibly with a play-off - is a good basho. Thanks to this basho, I'm all geared up for Nagoya. Especially since Baruto will be hoisted to at least high Maegashira and will almost certainly face Asashoryu in the first week or so.

So I say bring on Senshuraku (today!). This was one of my favorite bashos in recent memory.

(Sign of approval)

I agree with You that it was an interesting basho, thats why I mean this basho is worth to remember. Baruto's debut is fabulous. 'Rise of Hakuho'? I think he is flying high since january.

I maybe should not use word bad, but than my english is very ...what should I say. I often find it hard to find right words to espress myself. The thing is we had some seven bashos with your favo chasing historical records, than we have a hope for a new native Yokozuna and now we lost them both.

That kinda made this basho who is the best to take the chance when they are gone. Kinda a free yusho. I myself believe Hakuho would take it anyway but it would be nicier if the top two rikishis plus Kootusho were present.

sincerely eciq

[Cammy]

It has been a good basho for me, I am really hoping that Miyabi can Yusho. I wish Zuma wouldn't of gotten injured, but it will be ok. I really hope Dejima can get KK.

[Bataa]

sorry cammy

[Daigaiguma]

I couldn't have asked for a better finish to this already-strong basho. Both Miyabiyama and Hakuho winning convincingly and then an awesome playoff match. I was pulling for Miyabiyama, of course, but I don't think he should really be disappointed with a 14-1 and a real chance to go back to ozeki next tournament. All in all, I think this tournament showed the depth of the top division. With both Asashoryu and Tochiazuma gone, and three of the other four ozeki injured, it was still exciting and scintillating. Everybody wins.

(Protesting...)

[Cammy]

sorry cammy

No need for sorrys, it was a good basho for me, Dejima went 8-7 thank god. Miyabi had a really good basho, didn't yusho, but still ok. Congrats to Hakuho, would of rather seen Miyabi win but still ok. The only real bad thing is Toki...that sucks, but I knew it was coming.

[Flying_Monkey]

Well, personally, I am happy Hakuho won since I have been following his career for a long time. Miyabiyama surprised me, and that's always a good thing. But I don't understand the various people who were saying 'of course I was supporting Miyabiyama'. Why 'of course'? Because he's Japanese? In Hakuho we are going to get a new Yokozuna soon and finally some real competition for Asa at the top. I hope Miyabi makes it to Ozeki, but he's still got a lot of underperforming to make up for in my mind...

Baruto did slightly better than I expected. I am not sure if this is good or bad. He's going to 'heat the wall' sooner or later and this can only be good for him - it would make a better long-term champion and force him to improve his range of technique... personally, I am a technique person and I don't enjoy just watching sumo won on strength (not that I am saying Bart is doing only that).

I was very pleased to see Yoshikaze get his kachikoshi (and more) - shame that Homasho (who I've also been following) got injured. He is still a big prospect I think. I just like his manner - he has a calm, old-fashioned presence which hints at inner-strength.

[ilovesumo]

Back from visiting my parents- no internet there, so I missed the most interesting Senshuraku since ages ago...I just wanna say that I am 80% happy. (Yusho winner...) Great to see Hakuho in the interview file...well done (Applauding...) (Applauding...) (Applauding...) . 1985 born fishes are very strong (Applauding...)

The interview was so nice. He mentioned Kyokushuzan- and I guess Shu listened to that with tears in his eyes too. (Applauding...) (Yusho winner...)

For Miyabiyama- just go on like that! 2 Sansho awards are great too! (Applauding...)

Bart (Sign of approval)

But I can't help... :'-( Kaiho 7-8

[Bishonohana]

Even with the absence of Asashoryu and Tochiazuma..., and with Chiyotaikai looking good before he hurt his arm, and other 2 Ozekis Kotooshu and Kaio barely present, it was one of the most exciting Basho for me!!

I think Baruto will come back strong in the next Basho... It was a great learning experience for him of how tough it can be in Makuuchi. He did great for it being the first time for him. (Applauding...)

Miyabiyama got 2 awards and the best man won, so he has nothing to be ashamed of... He gave it his all, but it wasn't meant to be!

I am so happy that Hakuko got the Yusho!! I think he truly deserved it! I also felt very touched when he thanked Kyokushuzan for all of his help in getting to where he is today, in the interview! (Applauding...) I'm happy with the outcome!! (Yusho winner...) (Yusho winner...)

[eciq]

Well, personally, I am happy Hakuho won since I have been following his career for a long time. Miyabiyama surprised me, and that's always a good thing. But I don't understand the various people who were saying 'of course I was supporting Miyabiyama'. Why 'of course'? Because he's Japanese? In Hakuho we are going to get a new Yokozuna soon and finally some real competition for Asa at the top. I hope Miyabi makes it to Ozeki, but he's still got a lot of underperforming to make up for in my mind...

Baruto did slightly better than I expected. I am not sure if this is good or bad. He's going to 'heat the wall' sooner or later and this can only be good for him - it would make a better long-term champion and force him to improve his range of technique... personally, I am a technique person and I don't enjoy just watching sumo won on strength (not that I am saying Bart is doing only that).

I was very pleased to see Yoshikaze get his kachikoshi (and more) - shame that Homasho (who I've also been following) got injured. He is still a big prospect I think. I just like his manner - he has a calm, old-fashioned presence which hints at inner-strength.

I am happy too that Hakuho won. I think he already is good competition to Asa. He has lost ONLY five bouts in three bashos. That's good even for a Yokozuna. It is even better than what they wanted Tochiazuma to do to get his promotion. I really like Hakuho's sumo and him. He is my nr 2 favourite rikishi (Ama nr1) but I did not like they way he won against Baruto. I am not a henka expert but I think he deserved a better tachai.

I am glad for Miyabiyama too. He wrestled with attitude this basho. You could see it in his eyes. He can be a good ozeki, but that's it. As for Baruto I think he will make kk next basho and a basho after he will be komosubi. That might be his wall, but he himself is a wall. I don't think he will get too many oportunities to win kinboshis. I am technique person myself but I love it mixed with strength. Big guys make technicians even better. Remember Mainoumis fights with the giants? His win over Akebono? There we had a guy withj technique and guts (Hugging...)

Next basho I think there's a chance/possibility that Asa will be absent. I think he should for many reasons. First, he should NOT compete if not completely healed. He has this obligation to his rank. Secondly that would make Hakuho's yokozuna run easier. I believe he really needs another yokozuna to make his records look better (just one reason). Anyway, with or without Asa Hakuho will be the major favourite next basho. His yokozuna run is little more promissing than the last one.

Finally we had an interesting basho even if we've been 'robbed' youkozunas presense and a yokozuna run. I believe though, well I'm almost sure that next basho will be asskicking so I hope Homasho is 100% fit when it starts :-)

sincerely eciq

[eciq]

Ilovesumo wrote

............The interview was so nice. He mentioned Kyokushuzan- and I guess Shu listened to that with tears in his eyes too. :-) (Hugging...) ................

............But I can't help... :-) Kaiho 7-8

bishonohana wrote

............I am so happy that Hakuko got the Yusho!! I think he truly deserved it! I also felt very touched when he thanked Kyokushuzan for all of his help in getting to where he is today, in the interview! I'm happy with the outcome!!

mentioning Kyokushuzan was a very nice thing to do. Really soon to be a Yokozuna style. His father must be so proud of him for what he achieves and how he does it. Whole Mongolia should be proud of this great athlete.

sincerely eciq

ps. Kaiho 7-8 :-( Satoyama 7-8 :-( tooooo bad

[Coo-cook]

....but I did not like they way he won against Baruto.

I didn't like it either.Hakuho played a bit too safe. Probably, Hakuho thought it's only way to beat Baruto (in that given circumstances).

In otherhand, he showed others a way to beat Baruto. So, Baruto might see lots of henka (henkaish move) against him in future.

Edited May 22, 2006 by Coo-cook

[Kintamayama]

I am technique person myself but I love it mixed with strength. Big guys make technicians even better. Remember Mainoumis fights with the giants? His win over Akebono? There we had a guy withj technique and guts (Hugging...)

As far as I know, Mainoumi never beat Akebono. In fact, I think they only had one bout between them, which he lost.

Next basho I think there's a chance/possibility that Asa will be absent. I think he should for many reasons. First, he should NOT compete if not completely healed. He has this obligation to his rank. Secondly that would make Hakuho's yokozuna run easier. I believe he really needs another yokozuna to make his records look better (just one reason). Anyway, with or without Asa Hakuho will be the major favourite next basho. His yokozuna run is little more promissing than the last one.

I'll venture a guess here. He'll be participating for sure. I'll go even further and say his injury is really not that serious. I'll bet he has been training for the last few days while no one is watching. I'll bet he will be in top form next basho, after being reminded that you can't sit back and relax while everyone else is training hard, even if your name is Asashouryuu.

We shall see.

Edited May 22, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Azumashida]

I am technique person myself but I love it mixed with strength. Big guys make technicians even better. Remember Mainoumis fights with the giants? His win over Akebono? There we had a guy withj technique and guts (Hugging...)

As far as I know, Mainoumi never beat Akebono. In fact, I think they only had one bout between them, which he lost.

He actually did win one of their three bouts: their first encounter during the 1991 Kyushu basho, by uchigake.

Cf. http://www.szumo.hu/stat/Akebono.html

[Kintamayama]

I am technique person myself but I love it mixed with strength. Big guys make technicians even better. Remember Mainoumis fights with the giants? His win over Akebono? There we had a guy withj technique and guts (Hugging...)

As far as I know, Mainoumi never beat Akebono. In fact, I think they only had one bout between them, which he lost.

He actually did win one of their three bouts: their first encounter during the 1991 Kyushu basho, by uchigake.

Cf. http://www.szumo.hu/stat/Akebono.html

Yes, he did, by uchigake- I forgot all about that one..

[Jakusotsu]

I don't think Asashoryu will be a great factor in Hakuho's yusho prospects. a) Hakuho has already proven that he can consistantly beat anybody, even the yokozuna (whom he would meet only once), b) Asashoryu fresh from the sickbed won't likely be last year's shiroboshi machine again.

[Kintamayama]

I don't think Asashoryu will be a great factor in Hakuho's yusho prospects. a) Hakuho has already proven that he can consistantly beat anybody, even the yokozuna (whom he would meet only once), b) Asashoryu fresh from the sickbed won't likely be last year's shiroboshi machine again.

Right, but the point I'm trying to establish is that he is not in any sickbed, and didn't seem to be there that much either. He seems to be totally genki, at least to me..

[eciq]

As far as I know, Mainoumi never beat Akebono. In fact, I think they only had one bout between them, which he lost.

This is a GOOD link. It's an french. Just browse to Mainoumi video and enjoy :-)

http://www.info-sumo.net/info/modules.php?...wdownload&cid=3

I'll venture a guess here. He'll be participating for sure. I'll go even further and say his injury is really not that serious. I'll bet he has been training for the last few days while no one is watching. I'll bet he will be in top form next basho, after being reminded that you can't sit back and relax while everyone else is training hard, even if your name is Asashouryuu.

We shall see.

interesting guess :-)They said two months of rehab, but than who knows (Hugging...)

have a nice sunny day

[Coo-cook]

I don't think Asashoryu will be a great factor in Hakuho's yusho prospects. a) Hakuho has already proven that he can consistantly beat anybody, even the yokozuna (whom he would meet only once), b) Asashoryu fresh from the sickbed won't likely be last year's shiroboshi machine again.

Right, but the point I'm trying to establish is that he is not in any sickbed, and didn't seem to be there that much either. He seems to be totally genki, at least to me..

Some Mongolian performing artists touring Japan seen Asa recently ..and they said Asa was complaining that his Oyokata was not allowing him to compete. I don't know what was Asa's point returning to basho.

But, at least, it was some kind of relieve for me hearing this kind of news.

[Kintamayama]

Some Mongolian performing artists touring Japan seen Asa recently ..and they said Asa was complaining that his Oyokata was not allowing him to compete. I don't know what was Asa's point returning to basho.

But, at least, it was some kind of relieve for me hearing this kind of news.

Which strengthens my theory..

[aderechelsea]

this was the best basho ever for me .... because:

- i was there and i got the chance to watch Hakuho get his first (of many) Yusho.

- got ot see asageiko in Hakkaku

- saw from up close all rikishi below Ozeki.

- took a good taste of lower division sumo. Nothing like what i expected.

and did i mention that Hakuho won his first yusho and i was there?

too bad Kaiho didn't get the KK. Very moody guy if you see him in keiko or from up-close (and where the f%$k did he go after his bout on senshuraku? i never got the chance to take a pic with him)

[Kintamayama]

Although he was diagnosed as "two months to heal", it has been reported that Asashouryuu started keiko on the 13th, a few days after the injury. "I want to be ready for Nagoya", he apparently said. He is slated to perform the YDI (Yokozuna dohyo-iri) and participate in the torikumi on Saturday at ex- Kotonowaka's danpatsushiki.

[Kotoku]

The Hakuho/Baruto match was classic spiritless sumo, and while I understand and accept that, I wish it didn't have to happen...