Can Miyabiyama make it back to Ozeki?

[Asojima]

Miyabi goes 14-1 for an uncontested yusho

Just checking again, but there does not seem to be another thread saying, that Hakuho goes kyujo.

If Miyabi takes out Taikai tomorrow night, and Hakuho drops one to someone, Miyabi is suddenly in the driver's seat. Hate to say it, but he is looking pretty good this basho. No kyujo required. (On the banzuke...)

[ikishima]

I can't believe that I am thinking about this.

Miyabiyama From 1/06-7/06 M1 8/7, Kw 10-5, Sw 9-1 , ????

Kitanoumi From 9/73-3/74 Ke 8-7, Se 10-5, Se 14-1Y, Ozeki

Musoyama From 9/99-3/00 Ke 8-7, Ke 10-5, Se13-2Y, Sekiwake (12-3 and then promotion)

The blob may have a chance.

A 14 and 1 (Clapping wildly...) could get him there THIS BASHO. Anything less we get to see if he still has his balance in Nagoya.

Personally, I don't care if he makes it. This is just one more intriguing thing about sumo these days. If this isn't the big story at the end of the week, we could have Hakuho's first yusho, Taikai back on top of the world or a really big playoff.

Edited May 16, 2006 by ikishima

[yamaneko]

im pulling for "really big playoff"

That would be fun, especially if bart can somehow be part of it.

I dont want hakuho to win, i dont want taikai to win, i dont want kaio to win. Miyabiyaman or bart is who im pulling for.

[Coo-cook]

I dont want hakuho to win, i dont want taikai to win, i dont want kaio to win. Miyabiyaman or bart is who im pulling for.

I think you need a prayer wheel,Yamaneko. (Clapping wildly...)

[Peterao]

I can't believe that I am thinking about this.

Miyabiyama From 1/06-7/06 M1 8/7, Kw 10-5, Sw 9-1 , ????

Kitanoumi From 9/73-3/74 Ke 8-7, Se 10-5, Se 14-1Y, Ozeki

Musoyama From 9/99-3/00 Ke 8-7, Ke 10-5, Se13-2Y, Sekiwake (12-3 and then promotion)

The blob may have a chance.

A 14 and 1 B-) could get him there THIS BASHO. Anything less we get to see if he still has his balance in Nagoya.

Without three consecutive sanyaku appearances, nothing short of consecutive yusho would be worthy of an ozeki promotion (especially with having 5 ozeki already!)

All Miyabiyama is doing now is setting himself up to have a run at the rank in Nagoya. I believe he needs at least 15 wins over his next 19 matches to get there.

Edited May 18, 2006 by Peterao

[BFlatMinor]

15 out 19? That would make it 35 over three bashos. Shouldn

[Kishinoyama]

15 out 19? That would make it 35 over three bashos. Shouldn

[Doitsuyama]

Without three consecutive sanyaku appearances, nothing short of consecutive yusho would be worthy of an ozeki promotion (especially with having 5 ozeki already!)

All Miyabiyama is doing now is setting himself up to have a run at the rank in Nagoya. He needs at least 15 wins over his next 19 matches to get there.

It would help if you state that this is personal opinion. It has not that much to do with how things are done.

[BFlatMinor]

33 wins could do the job but I think 35 would guarantee promotion. His previous stay at the rank of Ozeki was pretty dismal. It also does not help that their are 5 Ozeki at the moment. I'm sure the Kyokai would be in no rush to promote another rikishi to the Ozeki rank smile.gif .

Yet that would be the first time since 1957 that 33 wins in sanyaku over 3 bashos would not be rewarded with ozeki promotion. You can find the hakkeyoi.net search here:

http://www.hakkeyoi.net/query.html?columns...o=4&show_form=0

(33 wins in three bashos and still sekiwake after the third)

[Asashosakari]

All Miyabiyama is doing now is setting himself up to have a run at the rank in Nagoya. He needs at least 15 wins over his next 19 matches to get there.

It would help if you state that this is personal opinion. It has not that much to do with how things are done.

Maybe Peterao's ozeki requirement predictions are subject to the same inflationary factor as his Asashoryu yusho predictions. B-)

[ikishima]

Without three consecutive sanyaku appearances, nothing short of consecutive yusho would be worthy of an ozeki promotion (especially with having 5 ozeki already!)

All Miyabiyama is doing now is setting himself up to have a run at the rank in Nagoya. He needs at least 15 wins over his next 19 matches to get there.

Ozeki runs starting in Makuuchi

They may pass on him even if he got the yusho, but we can not dismiss it outright. Ozeki promotion is a moving target. Promotion without consecutive yusho or three consecutive sanyaku appearanes has happened in the past and will happen in the future (maybe not this time but possibly sometime in the future).

[Asashosakari]

They may pass on him even if he got the yusho, but we can not dismiss it outright.

I'm pretty sure we can. It's simply not going to happen, not with a) 5 existing Ozeki, b) his personal history, c) starting from Maegashira, and d) not even reaching the minimum target of 33 wins. Finishing an Ozeki run with a yusho can be a bonus, but not that much of one.

I'll maintain that all he needs to do next time is simply to get double-digit wins and total 33 over three basho, though.

Edited May 17, 2006 by Asashosakari

[Bishonohana]

Miyabi goes 14-1 for an uncontested yusho

Just checking again, but there does not seem to be another thread saying, that Hakuho goes kyujo.

:-S :-O I checked, too, but didn't find anything saying that, either!! (Laughing...) (Laughing...) I hope Hakuho will show up for the rest of the Basho for the Yusho... (In a state of confusion...)

[Kintamayama]

Next Ozeki walks tall:

[Peterao]

Without three consecutive sanyaku appearances, nothing short of consecutive yusho would be worthy of an ozeki promotion (especially with having 5 ozeki already!)

All Miyabiyama is doing now is setting himself up to have a run at the rank in Nagoya. He needs at least 15 wins over his next 19 matches to get there.

It would help if you state that this is personal opinion. It has not that much to do with how things are done.

Point taken. I have modified the original comment.

But I don't think that anyone can authoritatively state "how things are done" in this case, so I believe that any comment about ozeki promotion not made by someone from the Kyokai should be assumed as speculation from the start.

[Doitsuyama]

But I don't think that anyone can authoritatively state "how things are done" in this case, so I believe that any comment about ozeki promotion not made by someone from the Kyokai should be assumed as speculation from the start.

That's correct. But assuming that 34 wins, all in sanyaku, will be enough for ozeki promotion is a very safe bet. So you were stretching things out of reality which I wanted to point out.

[AsaMoe]

QUOTE(AsaMoe @ May 15, 2006, 22:21)

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Miyabi goes 14-1 for an uncontested yusho

Just checking again, but there does not seem to be another thread saying, that Hakuho goes kyujo.

Maybe i was a bit too loud here, but i still think, that the probability, that Miyabiyama will win this basho is no more than 50%.

[Guest Karatoshi]

Sorry to all Miyabiyama fans but today it was a wrong decision:

Miya touched the ground while Kyukushuzan was still in the air. Can easyly be seen in slow motion picbypic.

[Azumashida]

Yes, very clearly.

http://www.banzuke.com/~movies/natsu2006/d...ushu_miyabi.wmv

[rhino]

I recall in almost exactly the same situation, the decision has gone the other way before, such as in this match (Asashoryu-Kokkai, Nagoya 05 day 11)

Time to break out all the anti-mongolian conspiracy rumours again (Neener, neener...)

[Shibouyama]

Well, those kinds of situations have been called both ways many times. And there have been tedious discussions about the 'dead body' rule and breaking the vertical plane of the dohyo on this forum.

Isn't a little common sense in order here?

Yes, Miyabiyama touched down before side-steppin' shoes-on touched the ground, the ground outside and below the dohyo. I think there's a bit of a difference between the surface of the dohyo and the ground below it.

If a wrestler is about to be pushed out should he jump as high as he can backwards and up hoping his opponent will step out or fall before he lands? It's ridiculous.

Edited May 19, 2006 by Shibouyama

[Azumashida]

Shuzan was still on the dohyo when Miyabiyama fell down:

(Thanks to Nabu for the picture)

[YukataNinja]

I'm surprised there wasnt even a monoii, I thought it was clearly an extremely close call the first time I watched that video (before reading this board).

And atleast in the Asa comparision above, asa had the mind and determination to go belly first and eat sand, unlike miyabiyama (thats more to respection asa than dissing miyabiyama).

[Shibouyama]

Shuzan was still on the dohyo when Miyabiyama fell down:

(Thanks to Nabu for the picture)

Ooh, nice picture. I didn't see the instant replay, and regular speed is so fast...

(Showing respect...)

[Daigaiguma]

With Miyabiyama's impressive win over Baruto today, I really like his chances of winning the yusho. He has to face Asasekiryu tomorrow, while Hakuho takes on Baruto. My gut tells me that Miyabiyama's chances of winning are 50% or above. If he wins the yusho at 14-1, how many would he have to win next tournament to guarantee oseki promotion?