Baruto in Makuuchi

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Have you seen anything like this before?

Nah! I'm sure it's just as common sight as that of Makuuchi rookie being in yusho contention after day 13. (Clapping wildly...)

Edited May 19, 2006 by bonobo

[Asashosakari]

Whats the best record for a Makuuchi debut?

13-2.

[ilovesumo]

Hakuho vs. Baruto on Senshuraku? Possible? No, or?

[bigfatman]

Whats the best record for a Makuuchi debut?

13-2.

Nice page. THanks

[nabudetoulouse]

hi,

you know my baruto's topic in info-sumo

Baruto : the Raiden of the 21st century

[Asojima]

I think I have it figured out. If he wins the next two, he may get a yusho and gets promoted to one of the open Komusubi slots. If he wins one of the next two, he doesn't get a yusho and gets promoted to one of the open Komusubi slots. If he loses the next two, he gets promoted to one of the open komusubi slots. In Nagoya he starts his three basho run for ozeki from the open komusubi slot. It doesn't matter!! (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...)

[ilovesumo]

I think I have it figured out. If he wins the next two, he may get a yusho and gets promoted to one of the open Komusubi slots. If he wins one of the next two, he doesn't get a yusho and gets promoted to one of the open Komusubi slots. If he loses the next two, he gets promoted to one of the open komusubi slots. In Nagoya he starts his three basho run for ozeki from the open komusubi slot. It doesn't matter!! (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...)

Wow, optimistic (Clapping wildly...)

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Edited May 19, 2006 by ilovesumo

[Mark Buckton]

Hakuho vs. Baruto on Senshuraku? Possible? No, or?

possibly but NHK has him scheduled against Kaio of course

[ilovesumo]

Hakuho vs. Baruto on Senshuraku? Possible? No, or?

possibly but NHK has him scheduled against Kaio of course

Yes. But, excuse me, that would a bit "useless" if Baruto manages to beat Miyabiyama.

Sometimes I think they throw a coin (Clapping wildly...)

Edit: What ever, I hope for Ketteisen somehow (Clapping wildly...)

Edited May 19, 2006 by ilovesumo

[Guest virx]

What about next banzuke ?How high can Bart rise with 11-4

What about 13-2 ?

[Doitsuyama]

I think Baruto's matchup on day 15 will be decided only after day 14. If he beats Miyabiyama then a breakup of the usual ozeki round-robin is likely to match Baruto with Hakuho. This would thwart the Hakuho-Kaio bout but there are worse things. In Takatoriki's yusho run two bouts between yokozuna were omitted to make room.

[Naganoyama]

I hereby proclaim myself as a Part of the infamous Baruto Bandwagon.

You can proclaim, of course. But you have to take into account then, that "part" means "duck" in Baruto's native language. (Clapping wildly...) Still feeling like being Part? (Clapping wildly...)

And 'duck' in cricket means you got out without scoring.

[Chiyozakura]

I think Baruto's matchup on day 15 will be decided only after day 14. If he beats Miyabiyama then a breakup of the usual ozeki round-robin is likely to match Baruto with Hakuho. This would thwart the Hakuho-Kaio bout but there are worse things. In Takatoriki's yusho run two bouts between yokozuna were omitted to make room.

I don't see what would be won by that. Baruto is chasing in the Yusho race and Hakuho is the leader. Even if Hakuho loses to one of the senior Ozeki he would still face Baruto in the play-off, so the Yusho will be no present for Baruto. My bet is a 14-1 Yusho for Hakuho, so Baruto will have a strong but not a Yusho debut.

[Guest virx]

Bart's debute got a fine start against Homasho with yorikiri. No real danger or fight from Homasho in this bout. And some kensho too if I saw correctly (don't know how many tough). Win on first day has always been important for Baruto and that gives a hope that good basho is under way. (Clapping wildly...)

M11w   Baruto (1-0)		yorikiri	   M11e   Homasho (0-1)

Eesti sumohuvilised tehke ka oma suud julgemalt lahti ning kui k

[Doitsuyama]

I think Baruto's matchup on day 15 will be decided only after day 14. If he beats Miyabiyama then a breakup of the usual ozeki round-robin is likely to match Baruto with Hakuho. This would thwart the Hakuho-Kaio bout but there are worse things. In Takatoriki's yusho run two bouts between yokozuna were omitted to make room.

I don't see what would be won by that. Baruto is chasing in the Yusho race and Hakuho is the leader. Even if Hakuho loses to one of the senior Ozeki he would still face Baruto in the play-off, so the Yusho will be no present for Baruto. My bet is a 14-1 Yusho for Hakuho, so Baruto will have a strong but not a Yusho debut.

Well, for starters as of yet Baruto still can win the yusho without a playoff, and without facing an ozeki. Did you consider that? So it just makes sense to wait with the day 15 torikumi before day 14 is over.

[rhino]

Well, for starters as of yet Baruto still can win the yusho without a playoff, and without facing an ozeki. Did you consider that? So it just makes sense to wait with the day 15 torikumi before day 14 is over.

Isn't the torikumi always decided 2 days in advance?

Edited May 19, 2006 by rhino

[AsaMoe]

QUOTE(bigfatman @ May 19, 2006, 10:44)

Whats the best record for a Makuuchi debut?

13-2.

That is impressive, but what is the highest position of a rikishi in his SECOND makuuchi basho.

Second basho in makuuchi

[Doitsuyama]

Well, for starters as of yet Baruto still can win the yusho without a playoff, and without facing an ozeki. Did you consider that? So it just makes sense to wait with the day 15 torikumi before day 14 is over.

Isn't the torikumi always decided 2 days in advance?

No, that's only the case for makuuchi day 2. And for day 15 the torikumi officially is set only after day 14. The original reason for that were some... let's say... high percentages of 7-7 rikishi winning on senshuraku in the ninties.

[Doitsuyama]

That is impressive, but what is the highest position of a rikishi in his SECOND makuuchi basho.

Second basho in makuuchi

The most interesting part of your query is that the top eight guys (M2 and up) all went make-koshi in the second basho, no one better than 5-10. Somehow I have the feeling Baruto could break that trend as well... Even out of the next eight guys on M3 and M4 only two got a kachi-koshi with Yutakayama and Musahimaru both 9-6 at M3e.

Edited May 19, 2006 by Doitsuyama

[Chiyozakura]

Not included in the query is Kotomitsuki who missed his Makuuchi debut due to an injury. In his first real Makuuchi basho he went 13-2 and was promoted all the way to Sekiwake, but went make koshi there...

[Tikozan]

(Neener, neener...)

What do you think, can baruto, if he could win this basho, jump up from Maegashira 11 in sanyaku???

Is there a chance?

[Doitsuyama]

(Neener, neener...)

What do you think, can baruto, if he could win this basho, jump up from Maegashira 11 in sanyaku???

Is there a chance?

Of course there is a chance. Both komusubi are make-koshi, so two slots are free. Asasekiryu will likely get one, and the other is likely to become Kisenosato, Kotoshogiku, Kyokushuzan or Baruto.

[Asashosakari]

And for day 15 the torikumi officially is set only after day 14.

Though, for the last while the senshuraku torikumi has always appeared during the Day 14 naka-iri. Well, we'll see if they hold it back another hour this time to accomodate Baruto one way or the other.

(Neener, neener...)

What do you think, can baruto, if he could win this basho, jump up from Maegashira 11 in sanyaku???

Is there a chance?

Of course there is a chance. Both komusubi are make-koshi, so two slots are free. Asasekiryu will likely get one, and the other is likely to become Kisenosato, Kotoshogiku, Kyokushuzan or Baruto.

And sanyaku promotion for Maegashira yusho winners is pretty much a standard, isn't it? I mean, even Takatoriki got a haridashi spot, and he was only M14e. Could've changed in the meantime, of course, what with their more restrictive handling of sanyaku nowadays, but I think Baruto would be assured of an (extra) spot even if the two "real" Komusubi promotees would have to be, say, Kisenosato and Asasekiryu.

Obligatory statto diversion: Have there ever been three sanyaku debuts in one basho? (Applauding...) (Let's ignore any case that includes kanban ozeki...)

Edit-Answer: D'oh, I forgot about hakkeyoi's newish results grouping feature...here we go.

Edited May 19, 2006 by Asashosakari

[Jakusotsu]

Today's tsuridashi against Asasekiryu was mighty impressive -even more so as it was done with a left-outside right-inside grip. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess most tsuridashi are done with a morozashi grip.

I guess we won't have to wait long for the first Baruto kimedashi win.

[Gusoyama]

And sanyaku promotion for Maegashira yusho winners is pretty much a standard, isn't it?

Its happened 18 out of 18 times. 83 out of 162 times if you include Jun-Yusho.