Roho / Hakurozan

[Mark Buckton]

http://www.sumo.boom.ru/eng/sumotori_m.html

early pic (Applauding...)

[aderechelsea]

he he .... hakurozan with hair. Not too stylish though (Hugging...)

and Roho smiling to prove to Fay that he can (Applauding...)

[Bishonohana]

Hard to believe that is Hakurozan!! (Laughing...) He must have lost his hair all at once.(Hugging...) It looks like he had a bunch in that picture... (Applauding...)

[Fay]

he he .... hakurozan with hair. Not too stylish though :-P

and Roho smiling to prove to Fay that he can (Laughing...)

yeaaah and I'm really thankful for this, I wanted to see it while I'm still fairly alive ;-)

Edited March 10, 2006 by Fay

[Ossetian Yokozuna]

Dear friends, there are another interesting information in http://www.sumo.boom.ru/eng/sumotori_m.html

You can see 9 ossetian sumo wrestlers among 16 Russian Team Members.

David Tsallagov

Alan Karaev

Iouri Mildzikhov

Artur Bagaev

Elbrus Dzukurov

Albert Dzantiev

Alan Gutsaev

Soslan Boradzov

Batraz Boradzov

Another wrestlers are:

Four russians:

Igor Kourinnoi

Youri Goloubovsky

Vladimir Antonov

Alexander Boulanov

Two tyvas ( siberia people who naitives to mongolians ):

Aias Mongouch

Kandemir Kuular

And one georgian:

Raoul Dgvoreli

( ROHO will be smiling when he will be Yokozuna. )

[Fay]

Dear friends, there are another interesting information in http://www.sumo.boom.ru/eng/sumotori_m.html

( ROHO will be smiling when he will be Yokozuna. )

I'd love to see it and have my camera in front of him (Laughing...)

But you forgot the female wrestlers ;-)

[Ossetian Yokozuna]

Fay - ok.

Women Wrestlers.

Victoria Beteeva - ossetian

Ekaterina Keib - doich ( her ancestors are from Germany )

Anna Zhigalova - udmurtian

Inna Patskevitch - jewish

Alina Choidan - tyva

Elmira Kourbanova - tatarian

All others are russians.

[Fay]

Fay - ok.

Women Wrestlers.

Victoria Beteeva - ossetian

Ekaterina Keib - doich ( her ancestors are from Germany )

Anna Zhigalova - udmurtian

Inna Patskevitch - jewish

Alina Choidan - tyva

Elmira Kourbanova - tatarian

All others are russians.

I must commit that I didn't draw a distinction between russian and ossetian. Should I? It seems so ;-) I wasn't aware that Roho and Hakurozan are ossetian and I dont know anything about it :-P I should learn something about it I think.

But maybe this is a reason why a russian guy I know always speaks very bad of Roho and always tries to pick him into pieces?

Roho for (Laughing...)

[Ossetian Yokozuna]

Fay - I am going (Laughing...) .

Russia is Federetion Ripablic.

There are more then 100 nationalities in Russia, which distingwishing each other, among them are ossetians - 500 000 people.

Every nationality has his langwige and culture.

Among 150 000 000 people only 130 000 000 are pure russians, 10 000 000 tatarians and so on.

( You can read more about ossetians here http://ossetians.iriston.com/eng/ )

[Fay]

Fay - I am going (Laughing...) .

Russia is Federetion Ripablic.

There are more then 100 nationalities in Russia, which distingwishing each other, among them are ossetians - 500 000 people.

Every nationality has his langwige and culture.

Among 150 000 000 people only 130 000 000 are pure russians, 10 000 000 tatarians and so on.

( You can read more about ossetians here http://ossetians.iriston.com/eng/ )

Thank's for the link, I will inform me a bit ...

[Sasanishiki]

Or you could look at the history of Ossetian Yokozuna's posts and get a fair idea as well.

[Jonosuke]

Victoria Beteeva - ossetian

Ekaterina Keib - doich ( her ancestors are from Germany )

Anna Zhigalova - udmurtian

Inna Patskevitch - jewish

Alina Choidan - tyva

Elmira Kourbanova - tatarian

All others are russians.

I am really sorry to say I have totally misunderstood you or a vast contribution you can make on this forum, let alone heating a variety of apparatus but after the basho is over, can you explain how many generations one has to live in "Russia" before one does not become Tyva or Udmurtian? I never heard of these people - almost sound like some beings from an outer planet?

Can you tell they are not Russians from their names? For instance a Kourbanova is always a Tatarian or Elmira?

Incidentally in case you are around the neighborhood, there is annual Elmira Maple Syrup Festival to be held at the end of this month.

[Murasakiayame]

There's another picture of Roho smiling next to little bro on the site! (In a state of confusion...) Wow! It's got to be a little bro' effect. Awe.

[Manekineko]

but after the basho is over, can you explain how many generations one has to live in "Russia" before one does not become Tyva or Udmurtian?

Sorry to butt in this (and go a bit off-topic) but from Croatian history I can tell you that a people can spend centuries being a part of a bigger nation/country and still retain its cultural and linguistic identity. How long did it take for Cornishmen to become Englishmen? Will Basques ever become Spanish (no such thing, heh) or French? Of course, having a double identity is not uncommon, and neither is abandoning quaint small-nation identity and becoming, for example, a Russian.

[Coo-cook]

In old Soviet Union ...all the small nationalities were organized to small autonomious states called ASSR.

So SSSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) is consisted of 15-16 Nation States like Ukrain, Belorus and Estonia and countless smaller ASSR's ( Autonomious Soviet Socialist Republics) like TatarASSR, TuvaASSR, UdmurtianASSR, ... and so on.

These smaller states were very symbolic and had no real autonomious authority.

Am I right, Ossetian Yokozuna ?

Edited March 22, 2006 by Coo-cook

[Kintamayama]

Fay - ok.

Women Wrestlers.

Victoria Beteeva - ossetian

Ekaterina Keib - doich ( her ancestors are from Germany )

Anna Zhigalova - udmurtian

Inna Patskevitch - jewish

Alina Choidan - tyva

Elmira Kourbanova - tatarian

All others are russians.

So "jewish" is now a people? Like Ossetian? Jew is a place? So who is a Russian? Isn't there such a thing as a Russian Jew, or do all Jews live in an area called Jew in Russia? And do two Jews=20? (ni-jew?)

You don't cease to amaze me , Mr. Yokozuna.

Edited March 21, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Jonosuke]

Of course, having a double identity is not uncommon, and neither is abandoning quaint small-nation identity and becoming, for example, a Russian.

I can understand this point well as a people calling themselves as belong to one ethnic group and being proud of their heritage.

But my question was not that all. He specifically pointed out these wreslters were belonging to a certain group. What I wanted to know was why he classified each as such and was any significance (which I doubt there is). I just found it a bit strange to see him listing their ethnic origin and then finishing his post with saying the rest are Russians as if to suggest there is something different about them. Perhaps I am belaboring the point and being overly sensitive.

[Tatsuma Keiru]

So "jewish" is now a people? Like Ossetian? Jew is a place? So who is a Russian? Isn't there such a thing as a Russian Jew, or do all Jews live in an area called Jew in Russia? And do two Jews=20? (ni-jew?)

You don't cease to amaze me , Mr. Yokozuna.

But my question was not that all. He specifically pointed out these wreslters were belonging to a certain group. What I wanted to know was why he classified each as such and was any significance (which I doubt there is). I just found it a bit strange to see him listing their ethnic origin and then finishing his post with saying the rest are Russians as if to suggest there is something different about them. Perhaps I am belaboring the point and being overly sensitive.

Man you guys should just both calm down. Ossetian Yokozuna is obviously just physched about all things Ossetian and wanted to impart a little information, be it something people care about or not. I would have to say you both are being oversensitive (or more likely you like to give Ossetain Yokozuna a hard time).

Kitamayama- I don't live in Isreal or anything but as far as I know the Jewish faith isn't based on convertions, it's sort of a heritage thing correct? Way back when there was something like the Jewish Diaspora, the dispersion of the Jewish people throughout Europe and Asia... a Jewish Russian and (puts on UN-politically correct hat) plan-old vanilla Russians would have different heritage correct? (Takes off hat)

I'm just sick of all these snipey remarks directed at someone (this topic too) because they lack the ability to express themselves fluently in English. You guys's English ain't that great neither. (Gyoji...)

[Sasanishiki]

When I asked Alan Karaev, I think the strongest Amateur Rikishi in the World today

I think so as well. He looks like a really mean guy in his photos but he actually smiles now and again and seems really cool. I think he understands more English than he lets on.

[Sasanishiki]

So "jewish" is now a people?

I get your point Kintamayama, and I thought much the same in OY's description, but technically Jews were a people. I don't know if that can really be applied now to worldwide Judaism, but certainly they were a people (or different groups, perhaps, him the Bible. What about the whole idea of "Let my people go" and "King of the Jews" (Herod, not necessarily Jesus) etc...

[Naganoyama]

This is an interesting discussion, but not about sumo. Perhaps it would be better elsewhere.

[Kintamayama]

Kitamayama- I don't live in Isreal or anything but as far as I know the Jewish faith isn't based on convertions, it's sort of a heritage thing correct? Way back when there was something like the Jewish Diaspora, the dispersion of the Jewish people throughout Europe and Asia... a Jewish Russian and (puts on UN-politically correct hat) plan-old vanilla Russians would have different heritage correct? (Takes off hat)

I'm just sick of all these snipey remarks directed at someone (this topic too) because they lack the ability to express themselves fluently in English. You guys's English ain't that great neither. :-)

My English, sir , is impeccable. Ask Simon. I'm not sniping at someone because he doesn't know the language. I'm sniping at someone who wouldn't have any interest in Sumo whatsoever if it weren't for two rikishi who happen to come from his shusshin. His "wrestling-like" observation piss me off for about two seconds, so I say what I feel and get over it. No one is really, really angry..If local-patriotism heats him up, so be it. As for your take on Jews, it's a bit different and more complicated, but in essence, yes. Still doesn't make Jews akin to Russians or Ossentians. Jews are like Christians, if you get my drift.

Edited March 22, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama]

So "jewish" is now a people?

I get your point Kintamayama, and I thought much the same in OY's description, but technically Jews were a people. I don't know if that can really be applied now to worldwide Judaism, but certainly they were a people (or different groups, perhaps, him the Bible. What about the whole idea of "Let my people go" and "King of the Jews" (Herod, not necessarily Jesus) etc...

Yes, but "people" is a broad word, and has different connotations in different languages. Jews do not equal Russians, though both are "people".

I am a people too.

Edited March 22, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Shibouyama]

Jews are like Christians, if you get my drift.

:-)

Not quit right.

You can't be a secular Christian,

but you can be a secular Jew (ethnically Jewish, but no religious beliefs).

I've known several Israelis who hold no religious beliefs, but still refer to themselves as Jews.

Jewish is both an ethnic label and a religious one.

Please take no offense. I mean none. Ethnicity and religion are simply topics I find interesting.

[Kintamayama]

Jews are like Christians, if you get my drift.

(You are going off-topic...)

Not quit right.

You can't be a secular Christian,

but you can be a secular Jew (ethnically Jewish, but no religious beliefs).

I've known several Israelis who hold no religious beliefs, but still refer to themselves as Jews.

Jewish is both an ethnic label and a religious one.

Please take no offense. I mean none. Ethnicity and religion are simply topics I find interesting.

So you say Jew and Ossetian are essentially ethnic groups in the same way?Ossetian is a religion? Judaism is a religion, first and foremost. Even non-religious Jews like me are circumcised and have Bar-Mitzvahs, totally religious aspects. An overwhelming majority follows the high holidays, even if they are totally secular Jews.