Naganoyama Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Yuminosato won the Jonidan play-offBaruto won the Makushita play-off After day 15, January 2006, Makushita division scores are: (Rikishi have fought 7 bouts except as otherwise stated) Wins Rikishi Shikona 6 7 Baruto, Dewaotori, Hakuba, Kirinoumi, Sugita, Toyonokuni, Wakanoho 5 18 Asahimaru, Fukuzono, Hoshikaze,Ichinotani, Isobe, Kakuryu, Kirinowaka, Koryu, Kotokuni, Kotonomine,Oga, Ryuo, Shishio, Takahama, Takahashi, Tsuchihashi, Wakasuruga,Yutakamaru 4 32 Ashu, Daisogen, Daiyuchi,Dewanosato, Fujiryu, Gokenzan, Hochiyama, Hokutoiwa, Hokutojo,Kachimori, Kageyama, Kaido, Kakureizan, Kimenryu, Kimurayama,Komanofuji, Maenoyu, Mizakura, Nakano, Raiko, Ryugi, Shibuya,Sokokurai, Takakoyama, Takamifuji, Tamamitsukuni, Tamao, Tamarikido,Terukaze, Tochitenko, Wakanami, Wakatenro 3 28 Dewanofuji, Fudoyama, Fujitsukasa,Furuichi, Hoshihikari, Kadomoto, Kagaya, Kakuo, Kasugakuni, Kitataiki,Koriyama, Kotokanyu, Matsumidori, Musashifuji, Nakanokuni, Nishikikaze,Rikiryu(8), Satsukiumi, Sawai, Shironishiki, Surugatsukasa, Takanofuji,Takanoyama, Tamawashi, Tochifudo, Tochinoyama, Yoshiazuma, Yotsuguruma 2 18 Chiyohakuho, Chiyotenzan,Daishoma, Hoshizakura, Kinkaiyama, Kotoyutaka, Minaminoshima, Miyamoto,Nakao, Omusashi, Sadanishiki, Sadanoshima, Saita, Sotenzan, Takamaru,Tenichi, Teruazuma, Yanagawa 1 9 Arawashi(2), Bushuyama, Daitensho, Hananosato, Kaishoryu(2), Kotohikari, Musashiryu(3), Towanoyama(5), Yoshio 0 8 Asahibenten(0), Hayateumi(0), Kaonishiki(0), Maikaze(5), Nodera(0), Oumiryu(0), Satsumanishiki, Shiraishi(0) After day 15, January 2006, Sandanme division scores are: (Rikishi have fought 7 bouts except as otherwise stated) Wins Rikishi Shikona 7 1 Tokitsukasa 6 12 Amanoumi, Fukujumaru, Fukunaga,Hokutokuni, Maenowaka, Morishita, Nakanishi, Seifu, Tatsuyutaka,Toyohikari, Yakigaya, Yutsukasa 5 31 Akinohana, Asahisakari, Daiki,Daishoki, Danyu, Fujimoto, Fukuoka, Gotenyu, Hayasegawa, Hidenofuji,Hokutoarashi, Hokutosho, Kabasawa, Katsunofuji, Kiozan, Kotomisen,Sadanoumi, Shinnishiki, Shotenyu, Soryuzan, Tachigami, Taika, Takanoya,Tamaryoma, Teno, Terusegawa, Tooyama, Wakaryusei, Wakatora, Yamatofuji,Yoshinoshima 4 49 Amuru, Arashitenyu, Arauma,Asatofuji, Bungonishiki, Daikiyama, Daionami, Daiseiko, Ettoryu,Fujinokaze, Fusanohana, Futasegawa, Goki, Hiyoriyama, Hokkairyu,Hotaka, Isoazuma, Kagamio, Kagemaru, Kazafuzan, Keno, Kirinishiki,Kokei, Koshinoryu, Kubota, Kumago, Kyokuhikari, Kyokutenzan, Maeta,Miyamaru, Nagai, Nakatani, Niioka, Ryukai, Ryukiyama, Sadanofuji,Saito, Shimada, Shinyu, Takainazawa, Takashoma, Tanno, Tatsutsukasa,Tensho, Terunosato, Tokachiumi, Tokusegawa, Wakakengo, Wakamiume 3 53 Ako, Aogifuji, Asahanada,Asanotosa, Asasegawa, Ayanokaze, Chiyomuso, Chiyonohana, Chiyonoshima,Chiyonoshin, Chokozan, Enatsukasa, Fukkoyama, Futamusashi, Hakunoryu,Hanada, Hatayama, Hokutofuji, Ikioi, Kanko, Komanohide, Kosei,Koshinoyama, Kurazono, Kurosawa, Kyokuryudake, Maegunzan, Mankajo,Masuryu, Minanosato, Murayoshi, Nakaita, Omatsuda, Oseumi, Rachimi,Ryutei, Sasaki, Seiryu, Shinzan, Takaazuma, Takaisamu, Takakiho,Takakitamura, Tokinoumi, Tokinoyutaka, Tokiryu, Toshinyama, Wakamifuji,Wakarikido, Yamaguchi, Yamaryu, Yonemura, Yuzawa 2 34 Akiyama, Azusayumi, Daihagiyama,Daihoyama, Dainin, Daishowaka, Fujiarashi, Gorikiyama, Hamaeiko,Hokuryoyama, Hokuryu, Hokutogo, Hoshiazuma, Ikeda, Kainowaka,Kakushoma, Kanaya, Karatsuumi, Koriki, Kyokuhozan, Kyokushoten,Munakata(3), Mutsuryuyama, Nionoumi, Nishiuchi, Oisami, Orora, Shima,Soranzan, Tamanotaka, Wakahisashi, Wakayuki(4), Yuki, Yutakaumi 1 11 Akioka, Hanakaze, Hidaka, Kasugamine, Kirizakura, Kozakura, Nankairiki, Ryusei, Teruyama(5), Wakakasuga, Yoshinoryu 0 9 Arawaka(0), Asahikari(0), Hakiai(0), Masutoo, Shikinoumi(0), Taganomine(0), Takasufuji(0), Tokihikari(0), Yamasaki(0) After day 15, January 2006, Jonidan division scores are: (Rikishi have fought 7 bouts except as otherwise stated) Wins Rikishi Shikona 7 2 Tsukasaumi, Yuminosato 6 13 Chiyonishiki, Chiyonoretsu,Hyugano, Kawai, Koryuyama, Kozan, Morioka, Ryujin, Suzunoumi,Taiheizan, Takamiryu, Yakunoshima, Yoshida 5 38 Araumi(6), Asahio, Chiyoazuma,Daishiyama, Daishodake, Daitenyu, Fujita, Ginkakuzan, Haku, Haruzakura,Hayashida, Hokutoyutaka, Jiguruma, Kagamiryu, Kaisenryu, Kawataka,Kirimaru, Kitanogo, Kiyoseryu, Kotoshimoda, Maenotaka, Masunoumi,Nakamuragawa, Nakata, Nakatsunishiki, Naniwaryu, Nioyama, Onami,Raizan, Ryuyo, Takahashimoto, Takakimura, Takaryu, Tenryuzan,Tokizakura, Tosa, Wakamigo, Wakataizan 4 64 Amanowaka, Anrai, Aoiyama,Asakimizuka, Asakubo, Daise, Fujiazuma, Fukuda, Gonoumi, Haruhikari,Hatachijo, Hienriki, Hokuo, Hokutonami, Ikemoto, Inui, Ishimoto, Iwata,Kabutoiwa, Kaishinho, Kasugaryu, Kinokawa, Koga, Koshinho, Kotoyashiro,Maenofuji, Marikomaru, Masaru, Matsunoumi, Minemura, Minezakura,Miyakomusashi, Miyoshi, Namiki, Nekomata, Nishitani, Ogiryu, Okamoto,Onizakura, Onofuji, Onoyama, Ouka, Ryushoyama, Sadanokuni, Seiro,Shosho, Sokenzan, Sonoda, Sumi, Takahiryu, Takaoyama, Takeuchiyama,Tamahayate, Tamakishin, Tanemaru, Toho, Toma, Tomishima, Tomonofuji,Tsuteno, Umenokawa, Waki, Yamakashira, Yoshino 3 63 Adachi, Akanoume, Araki, Azumi,Daigonishiki, Daika, Daishokaku, Daitenpaku, Dewahikari, Fukai,Fukumoto, Fusahikari, Genkaimaru, Hatachidake, Hayakaze, Hayatefuji,Hayatejo, Hazukiyama, Hirano, Hokutonada, Hoshigane, Hoshiryu,Ichinoya, Isonokuni, Kairyu, Kamada, Kanazawa, Kasugashima, Kasugaumi,Kirimiyama, Kongofuji, Kono, Konofuji, Kotobuki, Kotonarita, Kotsukasa,Kyokuyuzan, Matsuhara, Miura, Miyakofuji, Musoketsu, Ogami,Ogurayama(5), Oito, Onoarashi, Otsukuba, Sakai, Suzunohana, Taiyo,Takaki, Takasuruga, Takaurata, Taketoba, Tamahikari, Tamanosho,Terunishiki, Tochitaiga, Tokiwakuni, Tsubasaumi, Tsukinowa, Yamada,Yamato, Yokota 2 39 Anju(3), Ansei, Aononami, Asahi,Azumahana, Azumahikari, Chichii, Chiyofubuki, Daigoki, Daiogi,Echizenyama, Hariya, Hasada, Hokutoryu, Ikedo, Kakutoriki, Kamakari,Kasuganami, Kayaki, Kotoemoto, Kotofubuki, Kotonoshin(6), Maenohana,Mogaminishiki, Nakamoto, Noguchi, Oishikawa, Osaka, Saio, Shimasegawa,Tagonofuji, Taikomaru, Takanokuni, Takayasu, Tamashinzan, Tamayutaka,Tochinokuni, Uchiumi, Wakafubuki 1 12 Asahisho, Hayabusa, Ishiminato,Kainohama, Kaneko, Komaasagiri, Koyoshi, Takagiyama, Tochitensho,Wakatenyu, Yodonishiki, Yudai 0 17 Beppu(0), Daisenpu(0),Dewamiyako(0), Hisanoumi(0), Kasugasato(0), Komatensho(0),Kotokuroda(0), Kuwana(0), Kyokushozan(0), Sekinoyama, Shikinokawa,Taikan(0), Terunohana(0), Tetsuhikari(0), Toyokaze(0), Wakamikasa(0),Wakayushi(1) After day 15, January 2006, Jonokuchi division scores are: (Rikishi have fought 7 bouts except as otherwise stated) Wins Rikishi Shikona 7 1 Gagamaru 6 2 Anshinryu, Masuhikari 5 10 Akofuji, Hisatsukasa, Hokutowaka, Masuko, Nakanose, Ogata, Ogawa, Okanohana, Wakamiura, Wakasato 4 20 Akai, Akifuji, Asanozawa,Daishoryu, Iitani, Inamura, Kawamoto, Kiyono, Koseki, Matsuminenoyama,Nankaio, Omori(8), Osato, Osawa, Osuzuki, Sato, Takaogi, Tenkaizan,Tominoumi, Tsutsumi 3 15 Anjoryu, Eigashima, Fukaya,Hokutotsukasa, Ishihara, Ito, Iwashina, Izumi, Kasachikara, Kotokaneko,Kusakiyo, Nara, Tamabuzan, Tanakayama, Zendaisho 2 12 Akasaka, Bizennishiki, Fukukasuga,Hidehikari, Hirai, Kanai, Kida, Koki, Kuramochi(2), Kurihara, Morikawa,Tomotsukasa(2) 1 6 Arai(3), Fujimura, Fukunokuni, Ishii, Iwanaga, Yamamoto 0 9 Daikosei, Ikinoshima(0),Kamioiyama(0), Katsurada(0), Maruta(0), Soshinzan(0), Tanaka(0),Wakashiraishi(0), Yatsurugiyama(0)
_the_mind_ Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 how likely is it Oga gets promoted into juryo next basho?
_the_mind_ Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 like ... 0% 5 wins are too little one must always have 6 wins to go from Ms to juryo? or do you say that because so many people had 6 this time? you might preface it that way if thats what you ment. as the reasoning is not clear
Azumashida Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 like ... 0% 5 wins are too little one must always have 6 wins to go from Ms to juryo? or do you say that because so many people had 6 this time? you might preface it that way if thats what you ment. as the reasoning is not clear As Ms11 he would need 7 wins to be promoted directly. If he was closer to juryo it would depend on how many rikishi are about to be demoted from juryo...
Doitsuyama Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 how likely is it Oga gets promoted into juryo next basho? If you mean him to be juryo in the next basho - impossible. If you mean after next basho, well, I took a quick look at the banzuke and he might be Ms5e next basho, which may be enough then with a 4-3 and some banzuke luck.
_the_mind_ Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 like ... 0% 5 wins are too little one must always have 6 wins to go from Ms to juryo? or do you say that because so many people had 6 this time? you might preface it that way if thats what you ment. as the reasoning is not clear As Ms11 he would need 7 wins to be promoted directly. If he was closer to juryo it would depend on how many rikishi are about to be demoted from juryo... thank you kindly, i wasnt sure if he was close enough to the top to get in. i guess not :)
aderechelsea Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 he is too low to get promoted with 5 wins. A jump of 11 full ranks on a 5-2 is extemely difficult. anyway ... even Dewaootori with 6-1 won't get promoted to Juryo from Ms8 so you can make your own estimate if there are any chance for Oga ...
Azumashida Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 anyway ... even Dewaootori with 6-1 won't get promoted to Juryo from Ms8 so you can make your own estimate if there are any chance for Oga ... Are we sure about Dewaotori not having a chance to be promoted? Since there will most likely be 5 demotions from juryo, the last promotion would most likely be Ms5e Tamarikido (4-3). My question is: how systematically is a 4-3 at Ms5e better than a 6-1 at Ms8w? Does it have to be better in all cases?
Asashosakari Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 My question is: how systematically is a 4-3 at Ms5e better than a 6-1 at Ms8w? As far as I've been able to tell, a kachi-koshi from outside the Ms1-Ms5 area only compensates at a rate of one rank per win, so Ms7e 6-1 would still beat Ms5e 4-3, but Ms7w already would not. Dewaotori's Ms8w, you do the math. (I am not worthy...)
Azumashida Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 My question is: how systematically is a 4-3 at Ms5e better than a 6-1 at Ms8w? As far as I've been able to tell, a kachi-koshi from outside the Ms1-Ms5 area only compensates at a rate of one rank per win, so Ms7e 6-1 would still beat Ms5e 4-3, but Ms7w already would not. Dewaotori's Ms8w, you do the math. (I am not worthy...) Thanks for the clarification on this very tacit "rule". I was suspecting something like that. I had the impression that the border for that kind of "banzuke behaviour" was rather around Ms4 though, but I probably just remember wrongly. Or would that border fluctuate from basho to basho? May that depend on whether the guys in the high makushita zone have had (or won) a bout in juryo or not? For instance, could the juryo bout factor alter the judgement between a 4-3 Ms5e and a 6-1 Ms7w?
Asashosakari Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the clarification on this very tacit "rule". I was suspecting something like that. I had the impression that the border for that kind of "banzuke behaviour" was rather around Ms4 though, but I probably just remember wrongly. I'm relatively sure it's Ms5, at least that's what the evidence from the last decade or so points to. (Small sample size of course, since such close promotion decisions don't happen too often.) If you're interested, I can send you my spreadsheet. Or would that border fluctuate from basho to basho? May that depend on whether the guys in the high makushita zone have had (or won) a bout in juryo or not? For instance, could the juryo bout factor alter the judgement between a 4-3 Ms5e and a 6-1 Ms7w? Short answer: I have no idea. (I am not worthy...) I doubt it though, since I know of no other banzuke areas where quality of wins really has any measurable influence. Edited January 22, 2006 by Asashosakari
Azumashida Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the clarification on this very tacit "rule". I was suspecting something like that. I had the impression that the border for that kind of "banzuke behaviour" was rather around Ms4 though, but I probably just remember wrongly. I'm relatively sure it's Ms5, at least that's what the evidence from the last decade or so points to. (Small sample size of course, since such close promotion decisions don't happen too often.) If you're interested, I can send you my spreadsheet. Well, I trust you. (Blushing...) So you've been keeping stats of minarai promotions for the last decade or so? Any chance of seeing a Hakke Yoi equivalent site in order to manipulate these precious data? (I guess that would be a lot of work for probably precious few interested people, so I of course understand if that's not your plan) BTW: Good to see Tamarikido back as a sekitori! Edited January 22, 2006 by Azumaryu
Asashosakari Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Well, I trust you. (Blushing...) So you've been keeping stats of minarai promotions for the last decade or so? Heck, no. My goals were/are a bit more modest - just trying to figure out how the Kyokai decides on Juryo promotions. You'll want that other German guy for anything involving large-scale data collection. :'-(
Fay Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Can anyone tell me, what's the ranking of my adopted rikishi Koseki (actually in Jonukuchi) or where I can find this informations? Thanks (A brave rikishi...)
madorosumaru Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Can anyone tell me, what's the ranking of my adopted rikishi Koseki (actually in Jonukuchi) or where I can find this informations?Thanks (A brave rikishi...) J13w Koseki Takanohana Beya ○-○-●-○-●○---● 4W3L
Fay Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Can anyone tell me, what's the ranking of my adopted rikishi Koseki (actually in Jonukuchi) or where I can find this informations?Thanks :-) J13w Koseki Takanohana Beya ○-○-●-○-●○---● 4W3L Aaaah thanks, so I still can have hope for him (A brave rikishi...)
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