Invitation to play Sekitori-Toto & Sekitori-Oracle

[Zenjimoto]

Dear Sumo friends!

It's that time again! You are all cordially invited to participate in

my two games, Sekitori-Toto and Sekitori-Oracle!

Don't be confused between Sekitori-Toto and Sekitori-Oracle, they are

both different games, and both worthwhile playing :)

The objective of both games is, to try to correctly predict the outcome

of all bouts involving the 66 Sekitori at the next basho. In

Sekitori-Oracle, you submit your picks BEFORE the basho begins,

guessing the win/loss records you expect each rikishi to have at the

end of the tournament (for example, Asashoryu 14-1, Takamisakari, 8-7,

etc.) - depending on how close you are to the actual outcome, you will

score points.

Sekitori-Toto is played DURING the basho. On all 15 days of the

tournament, you get to pick the 30 or so winners of the daily bouts

(or, if you are not sure who will win a bout, you can pick "X" for a

guaranteed half point!)

Both games are a lot of fun, and are ideal for you to play "first"

amongst the other sumo prediction-type games out there, because they

will "force" you to consider the entire spectrum of Sekitori before you

narrow your choices down to come up with your selections in the other

games.

Both games also feature smaller prize categories besides the Yusho

award, and a Nations' competition - so be sure to represent your

country proudly, and to help your team mates out in bringing the glory

home! :)

On top of that, the Sekitori-Oracle Yusho winner gets a REAL trophy

sent to them! You can see what it looks like at

http://www.sekitori-oracle.com/gachincotrophy.gif ! And in

Sekitori-Toto, you are playing for "cyber-medals" and an entry on the

prestigious Medals Presentation Page -

http://www.sekitori-toto.com/medals.html :)

Worth a try, isn't it? ;)

You can reach BOTH games though the portal page at

http://www.sekitori.com - or individually, at:

Sekitori-Toto: http://www.sekitori-toto.com

Sekitori-Oracle: http://www.sekitori-oracle.com

Pre-registration for Sekitori-Toto is now open. Please be sure to

pre-register for the next basho, because if you don't, you might

encounter a few problems related to scoring later on.

As for Sekitori-Oracle, it is now officially open for you to make your

entries!

So, I wish you good luck, and have fun playing!

Cheers

Zenjimoto

Sekitori-Toto & Sekitori-Oracle Kyokai Rijicho

[Zenjimoto]

Second reminder, folks! :)

Cheers

Zenjimoto

[Zenjimoto]

Less than a week to go, folks, so here is another reminder to submit your Sekitori-Oracle picks and to register for Sekitori-Toto! Don't forget! :)

Sekitori-Toto: http://www.sekitori-toto.com

Sekitori-Oracle: http://www.sekitori-oracle.com

Cheers

Zenjimoto

[Kotoseiya Yuichi]

I'm having huge problems getting logged in to Sekitori-Toto for the third day in a row. I don't remember the sequences of writing my shikona, password and pressing the various buttons in some order to get me finally to the screen where the actual choices can be made.

Twice I happened to hit the correct buttons in correct order by mere chance but today it's impossible so it seems I'll take a vain loss on day three.

[Kashunowaka]

Today I was beaten by a very narrow margin in Sekitori-Toto. So narrow in fact, that I don't understand why I lost to Shayoto!

Zenjimoto-zeki, could you please explain by which tie-breaker rule I lost? (Poking the other guy...)

[Naifuzan]

Ohno kashunowaka. I can't believe it. That's gotta hurt. (Yawning...)

Same score, same risk factor.

My guess is that is was because he had a higher ranking. Since that was the only difference.

(Poking the other guy...)

[Kashunowaka]

Ohno kashunowaka. I can't believe it. That's gotta hurt.  (Yawning...)

Same score, same risk factor.

My guess is that is was because he had a higher ranking. Since that was the only difference.

(Poking the other guy...)

But it's the lower ranked player who should win. I am unranked - you don't get any lower than that :-) Am I the victim of rounding? :-(

[Takanobaka]

Today I was beaten by a very narrow margin in Sekitori-Toto. So narrow in fact, that I don't understand why I lost to Shayoto!

Zenjimoto-zeki, could you please explain by which tie-breaker rule I lost? (Poking the other guy...)

How do you even find out what your margin is? All I've been able to see so far is X's and O's (and unfortunately more Xs than Os so far (Yawning...)

[Takanobaka]

Today I was beaten by a very narrow margin in Sekitori-Toto. So narrow in fact, that I don't understand why I lost to Shayoto!

Zenjimoto-zeki, could you please explain by which tie-breaker rule I lost?

Edited May 13, 2003 by Takanobaka

[Zenjimoto]

I'm having huge problems getting logged in to Sekitori-Toto for the third day in a row. I don't remember the sequences of writing my shikona, password and pressing the various buttons in some order to get me finally to the screen where the actual choices can be made.

Twice I happened to hit the correct buttons in correct order by mere chance but today it's impossible so it seems I'll take a vain loss on day three.

I'm not sure what the problem is... click on ENTRY, then you'll get the LOGIN screen, enter your shikona and password, hit LOGIN on the left, and VOILA, there will be the list of bouts.

One known bug: lower your cookies tolerance in your browser's setting should you keep getting back to the registration page! Otherwise, it should work fine!

ALSO: anybody who has trouble entering their picks, email them to me before it's too late, and I will enter them for you (need your password too, in that case!)

Cheers

Zenjimoto

Edited May 13, 2003 by Zenjimoto

[Zenjimoto]

Ohno kashunowaka. I can't believe it. That's gotta hurt.  :-)

Same score, same risk factor.

My guess is that is was because he had a higher ranking. Since that was the only difference.

(Yawning...)

But it's the lower ranked player who should win. I am unranked - you don't get any lower than that :-) Am I the victim of rounding? :-(

Hmm, I think this is a bona fide BUG! :)

YES, the lower ranked player is supposed to get the win according to the rules. Apparently, for whatever reason, the "unranked" player is not included in that scheme... for whatever reason. :-(

I must notify Kofuji of this. (Poking the other guy...)

Cheers

Zenjimoto

[Zenjimoto]

The tie-breaker bug has been fixed! The unranked null value was for some reason considered "higher" than any rank. Kofuji kindly remedied this, and as you will find, in accordance with the rules, Kashunowaka now has the win over Shayoto!

Cheers!

Zenjimoto

[Kashunowaka]

The tie-breaker bug has been fixed!  The unranked null value was for some reason considered "higher" than any rank.  Kofuji kindly remedied this, and as you will find, in accordance with the rules, Kashunowaka now has the win over Shayoto!

I am very grateful; thank you Zenjimoto-zeki. (Sign of approval)

Yet at the same time I feel bad about stealing a point from Shayoto like that. (Being mellow...) Can't you award us both a win...? No, guess not. Not fair against the rest of the players.

[Zenjimoto]

The tie-breaker bug has been fixed!  The unranked null value was for some reason considered "higher" than any rank.  Kofuji kindly remedied this, and as you will find, in accordance with the rules, Kashunowaka now has the win over Shayoto!

I am very grateful; thank you Zenjimoto-zeki. (Sign of approval)

Yet at the same time I feel bad about stealing a point from Shayoto like that. (Being mellow...) Can't you award us both a win...? No, guess not. Not fair against the rest of the players.

Well, it is always hard to take away a win from some one who thought they got it :-S It's happened in the past a couple times when we had a scoring bug or two... but ultimately, all I can tell myself and anybody else is, the game has rules, and going by the rules, Kashunowaka gets the win over Shayoto... and no, the median line won't be moved in this case... that's what tie-breakers are for! (Nodding yes...)

I am certainly glad this bug was found, though! It takes SOME coincidence for this situation to occur! (Showing tongue at someone...)

Cheers

Zenjimoto

Edited May 13, 2003 by Zenjimoto

[Kotoseiya Yuichi]

One known bug: lower your cookies tolerance in your browser's setting should you keep getting back to the registration page!  Otherwise, it should work fine!

Yup, that worked. I must have tried that before but forgot it last night as I had come from work tired and was quite frustrated at everything already. I will remember to adjust my cookie settings from now on. BTW, if there were no mentionings about this on the login page (I think there weren't), it would be helpful for someone else like me with tight security settings in the future.

Thanks for the explanation! (Nodding yes...)

Edited May 13, 2003 by Kotoseiya Yuichi

[Takanobaka]

Can't you award us both a win...? No, guess not. Not fair against the rest of the players

Mono ii!

[Kashunowaka]

The shukun-sho and the gino-sho in Sekitori-Toto are awfully similar, aren't they? (Holiday feeling...) (Holiday feeling...)

When I saw the result today (day 11), I thought that Ulishimaru's incredible 27-4 should deserve a prize of some kind. Why not let the gino-sho go to the player with the best result from a single day?

I have a suggestion for what should be considered "best result", but I'd like to hear from Inosuke Shikimori Zenjimoto and other Sekitoto players what you think. As I understand it, the sansho rules have been changed rather recently, so if you have been through this discussion already, just say so. B-)

[Zentoryu]

The shukun-sho and the gino-sho in Sekitori-Toto are awfully similar, aren't they?

Not any more, the formula for one (the gino-sho) has been changed. It just hasn't been updated on the website yet.

What you see there are the standings under the old format for the gino-sho.

[Zenjimoto]

Right, the Shukun-sho rule has been changed ever since the January basho. It indeed rewards the player with the best single day performance (= outstanding performance)! Sadly, Kofuji hasn't had time since then to make the required changes on the web site, but the awards have been according to the new rule. Once the web site is updated, what is now the (old) Shukun-sho will become the new Gino-sho (highest total points, including "X" picks). The Kanto-sho remains unchanged as the highest total risk factor. Sorry for any confusion!

Btw, any new ideas for prizes, let's hear them. I love minor prizes, as you can see on http://www.sekitori-toto.com/medals.html (Sign of approval)

Cheers

Zenjimoto

[Zentoryu]

Right, the Shukun-sho rule has been changed ever since the January basho.

Well, you just confused the heck out of me. I thought the Gino-sho was the one that had been changed. (Holiday feeling...) B-) (Eh?)

(Holiday feeling...)

[Zenjimoto]

No, the Shukun-sho is the one that has changed since January. The Gino-sho currently is total points, NOT including "X"-picks. The "old" Shukun-sho still shown in the web site is total points WITH "X"-picks. Once the change is finally implemented on the web site, the prizes will be like this:

Shukun-sho: best single day performance (in percentage of total available points that day)

Gino-sho: total points inlcuding "X"-picks

Kanto-sho: as is now, total risk factor.

Cheers

Zenjimoto

[Yoavoshimaru]

For the record, I have no idea what's happening to me in sekitori-toto. Started 7-0, all happy, all good, now 5 losses in a row! I will do my best to get 3 wins on the final days...

[Takanobaka]

Having problems logging in here.....wasn't able to a couple days ago, can't again today...

....not that it really matters. I think a chimpanzee could have randomly picked rikishi and done about as well as I've been doing so far....

[Zenjimoto]

Turn down your cookies tolerance setting (lower security) and try again! Usually that is the problem. If still not, mail me your password and picks and I'll enter them for you!

Cheers

Zenjimoto

[Yoavoshimaru]

By the way, I'm still not able to log into sekitori-toto in IE at all. I've tried all the available security settings, both Win XP (home and professional), 2000, NT 4, IE 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, with no luck. But I have no problems using Opera so that's what I do...