No new Yokozuna until.....

[yamaneko]

until....2007 maybe?

I dont think IMHO that any of the current Ozeki would be able to stay injury free enough, nor have the power they had in their hey day to qualify.....

If Kotooshu somehow IS ozeki in 2006, I really dont think he has what it takes to take a couple of tournys, unless asashoryu gets injured... Hakuho may be the next ozeki after kotoshuu, but probably not until the middle of next year at earliest?

So when/who do you think is the next yokozuna? When is the last time there has only been one for this amount of time?

[Tetsuzukiyama]

until....2007 maybe?

I'm going out on a limb and saying 2008 with the first Japanese Yoko in '12.

Are there rules for promotion to Yokozuna without pulling off the 'two consecutive tourneys as ozeki'? Looking at the tournament champions list it seems like a few guys popped up to Yoko after only one...

Tetsuzukiyama

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Edited November 24, 2005 by Tetsuzukiyama

[Hashira]

until....2007 maybe?

I dont think IMHO that any of the current Ozeki would be able to stay injury free enough, nor have the power they had in their hey day to qualify.....

If Kotooshu somehow IS ozeki in 2006, I really dont think he has what it takes to take a couple of tournys, unless asashoryu gets injured... Hakuho may be the next ozeki after kotoshuu, but probably not until the middle of next year at earliest?

So when/who do you think is the next yokozuna? When is the last time there has only been one for this amount of time?

Barring a serious (2+basho) injury to asashoryu, i can see it taking until late 2008, although I'd like to see it earlier (kiseinosato?)

Edited November 24, 2005 by Hashira

[slt]

until....2007 maybe?

I'm going out on a limb and saying 2008 with the first Japanese Yoko in '12.

Are there rules for promotion to Yokozuna without pulling off the 'two consecutive tourneys as ozeki'? Looking at the tournament champions list it seems like a few guys popped up to Yoko after only one...

Tetsuzukiyama

http://bernie.users.geeky.net

I seem to recall that there was talk of promoting Kaio and/or Chiyotaikai after their 13-2 performance in Haru 2004, if they just replicated that performance in the Natsu basho... with seemingly no Yusho requirement at all.

I guess it largely depends on the Kyokai's good will...

[Xris]

The unwritten rule is two yushos "equivalent". Nobody defined exactly equivalent... Jun-yusho is close.

Now about predictions... Asa is human after all. Getting two yushos against a top form Asa is near impossible, but he is bound to have some dip in form some time. If it happens, will the same guy win two in a row ? And when ? In my opinion, there is no way to predict this kind of things. Not even Asa doesn't know.

Edited November 24, 2005 by Xris

[Tetsuzukiyama]

Not even Asa doesn't know.

So then he DOES know! Just kidding, of course Ama might just break Asa's back over his knee on day 8 next tournament and even after a miraculous recovery and fighting with a still-broken back Asa henkas for 7 wins kadoban and everyone gets to cut his hair off. Could happen. 1 in 10. I guess he seems so invincible for having so rarely faltered but an actual niggling injury or two could make things interesting. Not many of the old Yokozunas would have lasted very long if the new kyujo rules applied ( Akebono - Year and a half ).

That's cool about the Yusho-equivalent voodoo-speak from the Kyokai. Getting that white rope is also about dominating the top dudes too, right? Wasn't Dagvadorj promoted faster than the rules allow?

Tetsuzukiyama

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Edited November 25, 2005 by Tetsuzukiyama

[slt]

Wasn't Dagvadorj promoted faster than the rules allow?

Asashoryu was promoted after two back-to-back 14-1 Yushos.

[Shomishuu]

The little shove Hakuho gave Kotooshu off the dohyo after he had lost may not have been a 'nice' thing to do but in a way it was good to see him show a little emotion. I'm guessing (hoping) he now regards Osh as his personal rival for the future and that his first order of business (now that he believes he has lost the ozeki chase to Osh) is to beat him to yokozuna. I'd like to see a few more sparks fly (a controlled burn, of course) between these two. :-P

* This probably would have better suited for the Kotooshu-Hakuho thread but I didn't see it in time.

Edited November 25, 2005 by Shomishuu

[Tetsuzukiyama]

Wasn't Dagvadorj promoted faster than the rules allow?

Asashoryu was promoted after two back-to-back 14-1 Yushos.

Dang, I thought I remembered someone mentioning that he'd skipped some steps in his Sanyaku promotion but upon actually looking at the stats everything seems to be in order. Almost too perfect. Was he at least given a lenient time moving up?

Tetsuzukiyama

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[Jakusotsu]

Was he at least given a lenient time moving up?

Excuse me, but despite thinking very hard I don't get it. What's Your point?

[Asashosakari]

Dang, I thought I remembered someone mentioning that he'd skipped some steps in his Sanyaku promotion but upon actually looking at the stats everything seems to be in order. Almost too perfect. Was he at least given a lenient time moving up?

He got a bit lucky on his way to sanyaku (M12w 9-6 -> M6e 9-6 -> Kw), but that's just banzuke luck, no special favouritism; could have happened to anyone.

[Tetsuzukiyama]

Dang, I thought I remembered someone mentioning that he'd skipped some steps in his Sanyaku promotion but upon actually looking at the stats everything seems to be in order. Almost too perfect. Was he at least given a lenient time moving up?

He got a bit lucky on his way to sanyaku (M12w 9-6 -> M6e 9-6 -> Kw), but that's just banzuke luck, no special favouritism; could have happened to anyone.

Alright well it looks like I'm completely mistaken. I was under the impression that because he was doing so well before even becoming Ozeki that they bent the rules to prevent Kaio or Chiyo moving up. Good thing I started posting so that I can have my facts straightened out for me.

Interesting how Kotooshu breaking Asa's Zensho last night should make me reconsider my 2008 prediction so quickly. Maybe Yogurt is settling down faster than I expected. Maybe it's a really good thing that he's being forced to do 'good' sumo these days - he's actually getting better!

And to the person who started the thread - Asashoryu broke Akebono's record for the longest time as the sole Yokozuna. Akebono went almost two years while Asashoryu just made it two years even.

Tetsuzukiyama

http://bernie.users.geeky.net

Edited November 25, 2005 by Tetsuzukiyama

[Xris]

Maybe it's a really good thing that he's being forced to do 'good' sumo these days - he's actually getting better!

Interestingly, in my opinion, the same thing happened to Asa. When he was asked to tone down his furious tsupparis, he began to try to grab the mawashi at all times and actually went much stronger and better (in a sumo sense).

[Peterao]

In 2007, in an attempt to improve sumo's flagging popularity by creating an artificial rival to Asashoryu, Kotooshu will become the second rikishi in history to be elevated to yokozuna without having won a single yusho.

[Kashunowaka]

In 2007, in an attempt to improve sumo's flagging popularity by creating an artificial rival to Asashoryu, Kotooshu will become the second rikishi in history to be elevated to yokozuna without having won a single yusho.

History is a long time ... There has been more than one. Someone will surely soon tell you exactly how many.

[Doitsuyama]

In 2007, in an attempt to improve sumo's flagging popularity by creating an artificial rival to Asashoryu, Kotooshu will become the second rikishi in history to be elevated to yokozuna without having won a single yusho.

Your belief in Asashoryu is unwavering, huh? Yesterday it looked more like this: (Neener, neener...)

Where is the history behind that (except Futahaguro)? Why didn't they promote Kotooshu right away after last basho? They should have according to your logic into which I don't buy at all.

Welcome! Join the fray and chuck in your salt. :-P

[Peterao]

In 2007, in an attempt to improve sumo's flagging popularity by creating an artificial rival to Asashoryu, Kotooshu will become the second rikishi in history to be elevated to yokozuna without having won a single yusho.

Your belief in Asashoryu is unwavering, huh? Yesterday it looked more like this: B-)

Any rikishi can beat any other rikishi on any other day. But over 15 days, the best rikishi almost always wins out. And indeed, over the past seven basho, he has.

Where is the history behind that (except Futahaguro)? Why didn't they promote Kotooshu right away after last basho? They should have according to your logic into which I don't buy at all.

I don't really understand what you are saying here. (Eh?)

If a rikishi were to be promoted to yokozuna without winning a yusho, he would be the second one in history to do so. Do you dispute that point? Or do you dispute my superfluous comment about the Kyokai trying to create an "artificial rival"?

If the Kyokai were looking to create a rival to Asashoryu, Kotooshu would not be first on the list. They need a "great Japanese hope" to start putting butts on the zabuton. But after Asashoryu racks up another 6 yusho in 2006, the Kyokai will be desperate to create the illusion that any rikishi has the ability to compete. So they will give Oshu the promotion when he rings up a series of 13-2 jun yusho in 2007.

But I could be wrong. I'm probably giving Kotooshu too much credit than he deserves. But I am dead on in my Asashoryu prediction.

15 yusho down. 85 yusho to go. (Yusho winner...)

[Asashosakari]

15 yusho down. 85 yusho to go. B-)

Oh joy, I was just waiting for that nonsense to make the migration from the SML to the forum.

Welcome anyway!

Edit: BTW, Nishinoumi III and Terukuni were elevated to Yokozuna without winning a single yusho, so yes, I daresay your point is disputable.

Edited November 26, 2005 by Asashosakari

[Peterao]

15 yusho down. 85 yusho to go. B-)

Oh joy, I was just waiting for that nonsense to make the migration from the SML to the forum.

Welcome anyway!

Edit: BTW, Nishinoumi III and Terukuni were elevated to Yokozuna without winning a single yusho, so yes, I daresay your point is disputable.

Oh bother. This and my Hoshitori performance certainly doesn't lend much credence to my (un)informed opinions. (Yusho winner...) (maybe I could have gotten away with saying modern yokozuna?)

Nevertheless, I hope you're still around 15 years from now.

[Avitohol]

In 2007, in an attempt to improve sumo's flagging popularity by creating an artificial rival to Asashoryu, Kotooshu will become the second rikishi in history to be elevated to yokozuna without having won a single yusho.

(Yusho winner...)

wanna bet he'll win at least one yusho next year? B-)

[Peterao]

Sure. I'll even bet you that Asashoryu will win another six next year.

[Avitohol]

Sure. I'll even bet you that Asashoryu will win another six next year.

I don't really care how much yusho Asashoryu wins, I wanna bet you that Kotooshu will win at least one in 2006. (Yusho winner...)

So here's the deal, if he does it I choose for you an avatar & signature that you'll use a whole year.

If he doesn't you chose my avatar & signature? Agreed? B-)

Edited November 26, 2005 by Avitohol

[Peterao]

OK...but I'll only accept victory if Asashoryu takes all the yusho once more.