Senpai Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 Is there anyone who has a clue or who are willing to predict wich rikishi won't come to Aki or will fight but with injury? As there was so many of those who left Nagoya with injury .. Hayateumi (knee) Tochinonada (right thigh) Tamakasuga (neck) Iwakiyama (shoulder) Chiyotaikai (knee) Hakuho (ankle) Roho (ankle) Asasekiryu (knee) Yoshikaze (ankle) Kaiho (ankle) Anyone?!
Doitsuyama Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 I don't know anything sadly, but at least Iwakiyama returned during the basho, so I think you can reduce the list a bit. And Kaiho is said to be out of Aki (at least) for sure.
bennyloh Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 Not answering your qiuestions to the point, I think those with ankle problems may really have big problems. Takes a longer tme to heal, practise may often aggravate it. Among all the injuries this one really makes you useless in the dohyo.
Doitsuyama Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 Not answering your qiuestions to the point, I think those with ankle problems may really have big problems. Takes a longer tme to heal, practise may often aggravate it. Among all the injuries this one really makes you useless in the dohyo. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So you would say those with knee injuries are better off? Hmmm...
bennyloh Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 My guesswork only. Well, I will keep an eye on all those with knee and ankle problems to find out in the coming bashos. Can be interesting.
Senpai Posted August 29, 2005 Author Posted August 29, 2005 My guesswork only. Well, I will keep an eye on all those with knee and ankle problems to find out in the coming bashos. Can be interesting. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That would be one intresting statistics coming out of it then ..
Kaikitsune Makoto Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 (edited) YosoushimashoU Hayateumi out for another 4-5 months due to surgery. Kaiho out for sure, will not be in good shape in Kyushu either. The picture on Featured rikishi-thread makes one wonder whether he has also quite torn ligament between the tibula and fibula making it more serious fracture which means metal plates inserted with nails and all. This makes any kind of early post-op rehabilitation impossible so would take time and muscle atrophy comes. Tochinonada probably quite okay for Aki unless the tear was extra serious which it didn't seem to be. Iwakiyama should be genki. Did some exhibition show in US with Hochiyama too and the injury evidently wasn't bad. Even won with that shoulder some good bouts. Yoshikaze should be out. Otherwise it is summer soup time again. Maybe he has only moderate injuries in his ankle but sure didn't look that way. Roho & Asasekiryu are unknown cases. Roho will most likely take part though based on the fact that he could put pressure quite a lot in a bout against Miyabiyama despite possibly aggravating the injury there. His style is also such that he might join even in half-shape. Still my guess is that his ankle injury is about the same class as Hakuho's but these are only speculations...(Roho...) Chiyotaikai's and Hakuho's situation was reported in the news thread. According to article 2 days ago, Taikai has still problems doing any real keiko. Kintamayama-person wrote "He wasn't able to do good keiko before Natsu either and went 10-5.." but there is a serious flaw in this logic (Oshidashi...) of course! There is a thing called "savings" in sumo and Taikai has lost all savings now with this Nagoya disaster and pre-Aki getting fat from being lazy and not putting the meat under discipline at all. Hence Taikai will be weaker than ever unless he can now do good quality keiko for nearly 2 weeks. I bet he can't and will do down the drain. His problems were both knee and ankle. Hakuho is worried and has pain left. Said "Sure, will take part" but is concerned about the healing process. Edited August 29, 2005 by Kaikitsune Makoto
Kintamayama Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 Asasekiryuu has yet to do any real keiko. Yesterday, he did some light suri-ashi training, and intends to up the pace in the coming days. For the moment, he hasn't given up on entering Aki.
Mark Buckton Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 Masutooh - - bad ankle too (leftover of Hungarian wrestling) but will be in action on day 1 (or 2?) and will get a mobile phone if promoted.
Sasanishiki Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 Who is giving him that? The oyakata, the koen-kai or someone else?
AsaMoe Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 Unfortunately i do not have the experience in sumo to say how many injuries are usual. From my 1.5 year experience i would say, that in Aki more rikishi are injured than in other bashos ?
Takanorappa Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 Unfortunately i do not have the experience in sumo to say how many injuries are usual. From my 1.5 year experience i would say, that in Aki more rikishi are injured than in other bashos ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I used to think the same till I ran the numbers. Here's my reckoning of the numbers. I looked at bashos with 1 or more absent sekitori back to 1970. The list is sorted by absences. (Nodding yes...) These numbers do include those who had kosho status, so take it for what it's worth. Looks like a pretty even distribution to me, though. (Nodding yes...) Sekitori Absent    Year       Basho 16      2002       Nagoya       12      2003       Haru       10      2003       Nagoya       10      2002       Hatsu       10      1997       Aki       10      1992       Natsu       10      2001       Haru       9       2001       Kyushu       9       2002       Natsu       9       2001       Hatsu       9       2003       Hatsu       9       2002       Haru       9       2000       Haru       9       2004       Hatsu       9       1998       Nagoya       9       2005       Nagoya       9       2003       Natsu       8       2001       Aki       8       1991       Aki       8       1997       Natsu       8       1997       Haru       8       2000       Natsu       8       2002       Aki       7       1981       Kyushu       7       2001       Natsu       7       2001       Nagoya       7       2002       Kyushu       7       1984       Hatsu       7       1992       Nagoya       7       1999       Natsu       6       1998       Haru       6       1992       Kyushu       6       1997       Kyushu       6       2000       Hatsu       6       1999       Haru       6       2005       Haru       6       2005       Hatsu       6       2003       Aki       6       1983       Hatsu       5       1992       Haru       5       1982       Hatsu       5       1981       Aki       5       1993       Haru       5       1991       Hatsu       5       1983       Aki       5       1983       Haru       5       1990       Aki       5       1988       Natsu       5       1988       Nagoya       5       1986       Aki       5       1984       Natsu       5       1984       Kyushu       5       1993       Natsu       5       1993       Hatsu       5       1990       Nagoya       5       2000       Aki       5       2004       Natsu       5       1999       Aki       5       1999       Hatsu       5       1997       Nagoya       5       2000       Kyushu       5       1999       Kyushu       4       1991       Haru       4       1989       Natsu       4       1989       Nagoya       4       1989       Haru       4       1988       Kyushu       4       1988       Hatsu       4       1988       Aki       4       1986       Nagoya       4       1991       Kyushu       4       1985       Hatsu       4       1985       Aki       4       2000       Nagoya       4       2003       Kyushu       4       1983       Natsu       4       1983       Kyushu       4       2004       Aki       4       1982       Aki       4       1981       Natsu       4       1981       Nagoya       4       1985       Natsu       4       1998       Aki       4       1991       Natsu       4       1995       Aki       4       2005       Natsu       4       1991       Nagoya       3       1987       Natsu       3       1987       Hatsu       3       1987       Haru       3       1987       Aki       3       1986       Natsu       3       1996       Kyushu       3       1986       Hatsu       3       1999       Nagoya       3       1994       Aki       3       1995       Kyushu       3       1985       Kyushu       3       1994       Hatsu       3       1983       Nagoya       3       1994       Kyushu       3       1994       Natsu       3       2004       Haru       3       1992       Hatsu       3       1998       Kyushu       3       1992       Aki       3       1998       Hatsu       3       1982       Natsu       3       1990       Haru       3       1988       Haru       3       1989       Kyushu       3       1989       Hatsu       3       1995       Nagoya       3       1996       Hatsu       3       1982       Kyushu       3       1993       Kyushu       3       1982       Nagoya       2       2004       Nagoya       2       1996       Aki       2       1995       Hatsu       2       2004       Kyushu       2       1996       Haru       2       1981       Haru       2       1995       Haru       2       1984       Aki       2       1995       Natsu       2       1987       Nagoya       2       1984       Nagoya       2       1985       Haru       2       1985       Nagoya       2       1994       Haru       2       1986       Kyushu       2       1990       Natsu       2       1984       Haru       2       1989       Aki       1       1998       Natsu       1       1990       Kyushu       1       1997       Hatsu       1       1993       Aki       1       1986       Haru       1       1996       Nagoya       1       1987       Kyushu       1       1994       Nagoya       1       1996       Natsu      Â
Kaiomitsuki Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 (edited) SekitoriAbsent Edited September 9, 2005 by Kaiomitsuki
AsaMoe Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 WIth a short lookup in the glossary when the new kosho rule was established (Natsu 2004) i can see a slight increase in the number of injuries with a "all-time"-height in Nagoya 2005. And without being to pessimistic it is possible, that Aki will produce even more injuries.
Kintamayama Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 As usual, everyone ignores my injury stat sites thst I meticulously update every year. http://www.dichne.com/injuries.html Graphs, codes, Yokozuna/Ozeki only.. I am seriously considering closing my shop and moving.
Itachi Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 Thanks for you unheralded effort Kinta-zeki! With the graphics you can see what motivated the kyokai to abolish the Kosho rule. A big swell in absences starting at the turn of the century and falling abruptly after the rule change. As usual, everyone ignores my injury stat sites thst I meticulously update every year.http://www.dichne.com/injuries.html Graphs, codes, Yokozuna/Ozeki only.. I am seriously considering closing my shop and moving. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Asashosakari Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Does this bode well for an Ozeki (or perhaps sekiwake) yusho this tournament? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why, is Asashoryu kyujo? Incidentally, Takanonami didn't win the yusho in 1997 Aki (he won in Kyushu). Takanohana yusho'ed in Aki.
Kintamayama Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 (edited) Is there anyone who has a clue or who are willing to predict wich rikishi won't come to Aki or will fight but with injury? As there was so many of those who left Nagoya with injury .. Hayateumi (knee) Tochinonada (right thigh) Tamakasuga (neck) Iwakiyama (shoulder) Chiyotaikai (knee) Hakuho (ankle) Roho (ankle) Asasekiryu (knee) Yoshikaze (ankle) Kaiho (ankle) Anyone?! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As has been written in another thread, Kaihou is the only one missing. The bigger question is, in what shape are the injury-recovering guys who are participating.. Edited September 9, 2005 by Kintamayama
AsaMoe Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 As usual, everyone ignores my injury stat sites thst I meticulously update every year. I apologize for my ignorance. nontheless, your site does not show, that the number of injuries rises since may 2004 again. (or did i miss something again?)
Kintamayama Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 As usual, everyone ignores my injury stat sites thst I meticulously update every year. I apologize for my ignorance. nontheless, your site does not show, that the number of injuries rises since may 2004 again. (or did i miss something again?) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No need to apologize. I was pseudo-kidding..No, it is an yearly site, so it wouldn't show bi-monthly trends. Maybe someone can augment my site and do a bi-monthly graph?
Senpai Posted September 9, 2005 Author Posted September 9, 2005 As has been written in another thread, Kaihou is the only one missing. The bigger question is, in what shape are the injury-recovering guys who are participating.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think there will be those who won't manage to get to the end and who will come to fight only o try get some bouts under their belly .. and hopefully win.
Jakusotsu Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 As has been written in another thread, Kaihou is the only one missing.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is Hayateumi back already?
Kintamayama Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 As has been written in another thread, Kaihou is the only one missing.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is Hayateumi back already? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hayateumi is non-Sekitori at the moment. As such, we'll know Saturday night. In any case, I was referring to the salaried ranks of course, as tens will be kyujo across the Banzuke divisions.
Jakusotsu Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 I was referring to the salaried ranks of course<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, and I thought You were referring to Senpai's original question. Thanks for making it clear.
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