70 OFFICIAL MOVES

[Guest kambo]

..................... just wondering.

Which wrestler is credited with having used the most moves out of the official 70??

(I am not worthy...)

Anyone?

[aderechelsea]

Kyokushuzan maybe?

i know that Kaiho used 33 different kimarite in the past but that doesn't sound a lot ....

[Guest kambo]

Kyokushuzan maybe?

i know that Kaiho used 33 different kimarite in the past but that doesn't sound a lot ....

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I was thinking Kyokushuzan myself, and of course theres Chiyonofuji.

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[Chiyozakura]

I am pretty sure Kyokushuzan won with the most different kimarite. If my numbers are correct he used 44 different Kimarite from his Juryo debut to the Natsu Basho of 2005 plus three fusensho and one hansoku. That should be very hard to top, unless the number of kimarite will be enlarged again.

[Asashosakari]

I was thinking Kyokushuzan myself, and of course theres Chiyonofuji.

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Why Chiyonofuji? While he was an excellent technical wrestler, I'd hardly consider him a kimarite marvel like Kyokushuzan.

You can see the tail end of Chiyonofuji's career here...130 wins in that period alone, but off-hand I'm only able to spot one rare technique in there, a komatasukui. Everything else doesn't rise beyond sotogake on the fanciness scale.

[Doitsuyama]

Well, size does count... with 810 wins in Makuuchi (without fusen, without kettei-sen) some kimarite are bound to happen. Chiyonofuji had 37 different kimarite, 10 only once and 5 only twice:

abisetaoshi	9
amiuchi	1
hatakikomi	8
hikiotoshi	22
hikkake	1
isamiashi	1
kakenage	1
katasukashi	1
kimedashi	1
kirikaeshi	3
komatasukui	2
kotenage	3
kubinage	4
okuridashi	9
okuritaoshi	1
oshidashi	32
oshitaoshi	7
shitatedashinage	7
shitatehineri	2
shitatenage	43
sotogake	12
sukuinage	13
tottari	2
tsukidashi	1
tsukiotoshi	23
tsuridashi	44
tsuriotoshi	2
uchigake	2
uchimuso	1
utchari	4
uwatedashinage	16
uwatehineri	5
uwatenage	143
watashikomi	1
yobimodoshi	1
yorikiri	355
yoritaoshi	27

[Mattjila]

Yeah, Kyokushuzan is my guess. Asashoryu is pretty good too, and Kagaya probably has a fair number of rare techniques (incl. izori!) for someone who only gets 7 bouts a basho.

How about Mainoumi?

Edited August 1, 2005 by Mattjila

[Doitsuyama]

Oh yes, Kagaya. Of course he had just 59 wins in his career yet. Considering this, 20 different kimarite aren't bad:

hikiotoshi	2
izori	2
kainahineri	4
kirikaeshi	2
oshidashi	4
oshitaoshi	2
shitatedashinage	1
shitatehineri	13
shitatenage	6
sotogake	2
sukuinage	1
tsukidashi	1
tsukiotoshi	4
tsuridashi	1
tsutaezori	2
uchimuso	2
uwatedashinage	3
uwatenage	1
yorikiri	5
yoritaoshi	1

Edited August 1, 2005 by Doitsuyama

[Asashosakari]

Another future contender might be Tokitenku, he's already at 20 kimarite (plus fusen) as a sekitori, with another 3 before he became sekitori.

[Sasanishiki]

From my time watching, I would say perhaps Wakanohana III or Mainoumi.

[Chiyozakura]

From my time watching, I would say perhaps Wakanohana III or Mainoumi.

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Wakanohana has "only" 33 kimarite. He won about 26% of his matches by yorikiri and 25% by oshidashi. Third often used technique is hatakikomi. The rarest technique he used is probably kawazugake that he used to defeat Akebono in the Nagoya basho 1996. He twice won by kekaeshi and hikkake.

I don't think Mainoumi has used the most kimarite as he has to few wins to overcome Kyokushuzan, but I will check later.

[Chiyozakura]

I forgot to add that I only counted Wakanohana`s bouts as Sekitori as I don't have any earlier data. When will Doitsuyama finally present his long awaited addition to www.ozumo.de?

Mainoumi has won with 34 different Kimarite, isamiashi is included. He won an amazing 29% of his matches by shitatenage. His arsenal also included tsuriotoshi, that he used against fellow featherweight Tomonohana.

[Oimeru]

Slightly (You are going off-topic...):

What is the best (english) resource for results of individual bouts including kimarite, covering as many years/bashos as possible? I'm interested in doing some kimarite analysis myself.

[Andreas]

how about asashoryu? how many techniques did he use?

[Chiyozakura]

So far Asashoryu has used 35 different kimarite. The Nagoya bashi is not included, but one isamiashi victory is.

Abisetaoshi 1

Amiuchi 2

Ashitori 3

Hatakikomi 14

Hikiotoshi 13

hikkake 1

isamiashi 1

kakenage 1

katasukashi 2

Ketaguri 2

Kirikaeshi 10

kotenage 6

makiotoshi 1

Okuridashi 9

okurinage 1

Okuritaoshi 6

Oshidashi 52

Oshitaoshi 7

Shitatedashinage 2

shitatehineri 1

Shitatenage 24

Sotogake 10

Sukuinage 15

tottari 1

Tsukidashi 23

Tsukiotoshi 6

tsuridashi 6

tsuriotoshi 3

tsutaezori 1

uchimuso 2

uwatedashinage 4

Uwatenage 16

watashikomi 1

Yorikiri 73

Yoritaoshi 9

I got my data from sumo portal http://www.szumo.hu/stat/Asashoryu.html . It contains all Sekitori bouts of the Heisei era.

Edited August 2, 2005 by Chiyozakura

[Doitsuyama]

What is the best (english) resource for results of individual bouts including kimarite, covering as many years/bashos as possible? I'm interested in doing some kimarite analysis myself.

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Like Chiyozakura said, Bandey's site is the best for you. Otherwise, on my hard disk I have lower division kimarite since Aki 2001 (@Chiyozakura: So I can't help you with Wakanohana III before he became Sekitori anyway), and Makuuchi kimarite since 1927.

[aderechelsea]

What is the best (english) resource for results of individual bouts including kimarite, covering as many years/bashos as possible? I'm interested in doing some kimarite analysis myself.

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Like Chiyozakura said, Bandey's site is the best for you. Otherwise, on my hard disk I have lower division kimarite since Aki 2001 (@Chiyozakura: So I can't help you with Wakanohana III before he became Sekitori anyway), and Makuuchi kimarite since 1927.

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[Kaiomitsuki]

for Kaio it's 30 (+1* ) different Kimarite (*fusen) in his career (Juryo + Makuuchi)

And 1 Ipponzeoi (You are going off-topic...)

here you can find the complete Kimarite Statistics for the Ozeki Kaio

http://membres.lycos.fr/kaiou/Kimarite.htm

Total (total in Juryo and Makuuchi) kimarite

Ann

Edited August 2, 2005 by Kaiomitsuki

[sekitori]

It would also be interesting to know which rikishi have had the FEWEST kimarite to their credit. I'm referring to long-time makunouchi "regulars" (both active and retired) who have used a very limited number of techniques successfully over a long period of time. I would imagine that Konishiki would be close to the top of the list of retired rikishi, but that's only a guess.

[Otokonoyama]

I got my data from sumo portal http://www.szumo.hu/stat/Asashoryu.html . It contains all Sekitori bouts of the Heisei era.

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Agreed this is a great source! But, in the past month or so, I've been unable to access Bandey's homepage, only very rarely connecting. Is anyone else having trouble accessing the site, and/or know what the problem could be?

[aderechelsea]

It would also be interesting to know which rikishi have had the FEWEST kimarite to their credit. I'm referring to long-time makunouchi "regulars" (both active and retired) who have used a very limited number of techniques successfully over a long period of time. I would imagine that Konishiki would be close to the top of the list of retired rikishi, but that's only a guess.

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Asanowaka maybe?

at least in Makuuchi the kimarite he used shouldn't be even 20.

Edited August 3, 2005 by aderechelsea

[Chiyozakura]

I had no problems with Bandey's site, works as it should.

I have done some analysis on the kimarite of the current rikishi with more than 200 Makuuchi wins and the Yokozuna/Ozeki of the 90s. They include all Makuuchi matches with Playoff's and visits as Juryo rikishi but exclude fusensho, hansoku and isamiashi.

I have calculated a simple factor that works as follows: number of used kimarite/number of wins. It is not really useful to compare rikishi with varying numbers of wins because the factor tends to decrease with the number of wins. For example Aminishiki leads the list, but he also has the lowest number of wins. In his first 197 Makuuchi bouts he used 30 different kimarite. He might do so in the next 197 but they will probably be more or less the same, so he will most likely not double his account to 60.

Even the numbers of used kimarite can only give a hint at the technical abilities of the rikishi. I remember Akebono defeating Tosanoumi with the very rare tsumatori, later admitting that he had know idea what it meant when the kimarite was called. He had just tried to push Tosanoumi out and by accident touched Tosanoumi's ankle.

I have no idea how to make the table look like, anybody able to help? Still here it is:

Shikona Kimarite Wins Factor

Aminishiki 30 197 15,2%

Mainoumi 31 241 12,9%

Kyokushuzan 43 358 12,0%

Kotomitsuki 27 241 11,2%

Kaiho 31 288 10,8%

Asashoryu 33 310 10,6%

Tamanoshima 20 205 9,8%

Kyokutenho 28 296 9,5%

Takanowaka 19 212 9,0%

Kotoryu 26 329 7,9%

Tokitsuumi 21 272 7,7%

Wakanoyama 15 217 6,9%

Wakanosato 21 317 6,6%

Miyabiyama 19 287 6,6%

Wakanohana 31 488 6,4%

Toki 16 254 6,3%

Tochinonada 22 351 6,3%

Tochiazuma 22 394 5,6%

Dejima 19 378 5,0%

Kaio 30 611 4,9%

Asanowaka 17 357 4,8%

Kotonowaka 27 592 4,6%

Tamakasuga 16 351 4,6%

Chiyotaikai 18 401 4,5%

Takanonami 29 652 4,4%

Musoyama 22 520 4,2%

Tosanoumi 19 453 4,2%

Takanohana 29 709 4,1%

Musashimaru 25 709 3,5%

Akebono 20 573 3,5%

Maybe on of the statistically better educated members can work out a factor that really displays the worth of the different Kimarite.

Here is the table ordered by the numer of kimarite used in Makuuchi:

Shikona Kimarite Wins Factor

Kyokushuzan 43 358 12,0%

Asashoryu 33 310 10,6%

Mainoumi 31 241 12,9%

Kaiho 31 288 10,8%

Wakanohana 31 488 6,4%

Aminishiki 30 197 15,2%

Kaio 30 611 4,9%

Takanonami 29 652 4,4%

Takanohana 29 709 4,1%

Kyokutenho 28 296 9,5%

Kotomitsuki 27 241 11,2%

Kotonowaka 27 592 4,6%

Kotoryu 26 329 7,9%

Musashimaru 25 709 3,5%

Tochinonada 22 351 6,3%

Tochiazuma 22 394 5,6%

Musoyama 22 520 4,2%

Tokitsuumi 21 272 7,7%

Wakanosato 21 317 6,6%

Tamanoshima 20 205 9,8%

Akebono 20 573 3,5%

Takanowaka 19 212 9,0%

Miyabiyama 19 287 6,6%

Dejima 19 378 5,0%

Tosanoumi 19 453 4,2%

Chiyotaikai 18 401 4,5%

Asanowaka 17 357 4,8%

Toki 16 254 6,3%

Tamakasuga 16 351 4,6%

Wakanoyama 15 217 6,9%

Some interesting sidenotes:

- From the 30 rikishi listed 28 have either yorikiri or oshidashi as the most often used kimarite. The two exceptions are, expectedly, Mainoumi with shitatenage at number one and, at least to me a little surprising, Toki, the master of hatakikomi.

- While one would expect at least for Toki to come up with oshidashi as the second most often used kimarite he follows hatakikomi up with hikiotoshi. Oshidashi is only in third place. Mainoumi's second favourite technique is kirikaeshi, which does not make it into the top3 of any other of the 29 rikishi.

- Musashimaru and Wakanohana both have two kimarite on number one, and for both it's oshidashi and yorikiri.

- The most one-sided rikishi in terms of reliance on one kimarite is Takanohana, who won an outstanding 52,5% of his matches using yorikiri. The only other rikishi coming close to the 50% mark are Wakanoyama with 48% oshidashi and Kyokutenho with 47,5% yorikiri.

- Musashimaru and Akebono are the only rikishi without a slapdown or nage technique in their top 3.

- The most predictable rikishi is Dejima, who wins 76% of his matches with either oshidashi or yorikiri. Even if we allow the other rikishi a third kimarite nobody is able to catch up with him. The closest is Kyokutenho who wins 73% of his matches with yorikiri, uwatenage and hatakikomi.

The percentage of matches won without the top 3 kimarite might be a good indicator of how versatile a rikishi really is. If we list the rikishi by that indicator the list looks like this:

Shikona Kimarite Wins Not Top3

Kaiho 31 288 65,0%

Kyokushuzan 43 358 61,0%

Aminishiki 30 197 59,0%

Asashoryu 33 310 55,0%

Mainoumi 31 241 51,5%

Takanonami 29 652 46,0%

Takanowaka 19 212 46,0%

Kotoryu 26 329 45,0%

Wakanohana 31 488 45,0%

Tokitsuumi 21 272 44,5%

Kotomitsuki 27 241 43,5%

Kaio 30 611 41,0%

Tochinonada 22 351 40,0%

Wakanosato 21 317 39,5%

Tosanoumi 19 453 39,5%

Miyabiyama 19 287 39,0%

Tochiazuma 22 394 36,0%

Toki 16 254 35,5%

Tamanoshima 20 205 34,5%

Musoyama 22 520 33,0%

Chiyotaikai 18 401 33,0%

Kotonowaka 27 592 32,5%

Asanowaka 17 357 32,5%

Akebono 20 573 32,5%

Tamakasuga 16 351 32,0%

Wakanoyama 15 217 30,0%

Musashimaru 25 709 29,5%

Takanohana 29 709 28,5%

Kyokutenho 28 296 27,0%

Dejima 19 378 18,5%

Any additions or corrections are welcome...

[aderechelsea]

very interesting analysis Chiyizakura-san !!!!

(btw ... as i mentioned before in the forum, your site is the first one i found on the net and you helped me a lot to quench my "sumo thirst")

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anyway

i wonder if anyone has an automatic way to make a list with all the kimarite and next to it the rikishi who used that particular one most of the times (both in quantity and percentage of his total kimarites)

[Otokonoyama]

I had no problems with Bandey's site, works as it should.

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I still get "connection timed out" every time I try to access the homepage. I've tried different browsers, linking from other websites...

Any suggestions anyone? Any & all tech support will be greatly appreciated (You are going off-topic...)

[Doitsuyama]

I still get "connection timed out" every time I try to access the homepage.  I've tried different browsers, linking from other websites...

Any suggestions anyone?  Any & all tech support will be greatly appreciated (You are going off-topic...)

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You could configure your browser to go through an anonymous proxy, this should work here. This helped me reach the NSK website while it wasn't available in Europe.

Just search for anonymous proxy in Google and take one of the 1.170.000 hits...