Anyone feel that.....

[Ryukaze]

Kitanoumi's record for most wins in a year, (It's what 82-8 right?) is in any danger at all this year?? Will Asashoryu be beaten "8" times this year? From the looks of things it certainly doesnt seem so (that he will be beaten even 8 times....) sure its great for me to see him break all these records but.....I'd rather see someone anyone step up to the plate and give him a good rivalry....... (Praying...)

Edited March 22, 2005 by Ryukaze

[aderechelsea]

too soon for this kind of expectations ....

we'll talk again after Nagoya.If he is still in a rensho by then ... i'll buy what you are selling.

[Ryukaze]

Furthermore anyone know who holds the record for most "zensho" yusho??? And at how many??......

Edited March 22, 2005 by Ryukaze

[madorosumaru]

Furthermore anyone know who holds the record for most "zensho" yusho??? And at how many??......

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Modern record - 15-day basho

1. Taiho - 8

2. Kitanoumi - 7

2. Chiyonofuji - 7

4. Takanohana -4

Asashoryu is tied for 5th with 3.

[aderechelsea]

how about buying what i'm selling right now instead  (Shaking head...)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

do you have any good musashimaru bags ?

(Shaking head...)

[Guest Vincentoryu]

Modern record - 15-day basho

1. Taiho - 8

2. Kitanoumi - 7

2. Chiyonofuji - 7

4. Takanohana -4

Not bad company!

[aderechelsea]

i know we are off-topic but ...

i did contact him and got no answer ... :(

but i have patience

[Araiguma_Rascal]

I think that if 82 wins is indeed the record, it could be in danger. Right now to me Asashoryu seems even more dominant than at the same time last year. Although he also started last year with 2 back-to-back zensho-yusho. Only if Asashouryu's level goes down because he loses concentration or decides to mail in another basho like that one 9-6 last year, would it become unlikely.

Assuming this one remains zensho, like it appears to be headed, then a 14-1 and three 13-2 basho would make 83 wins. He could also win 6 basho this year I think.

I think it basically depends on Asashouryu himself, and not so much on the other rikishi. Maybe if Hakuho bounces back and seriously works hard to improve himself, he might get a couple wins against the Yokozuna later in the year, but the rest need to hope for some divine intervention or for the Yokozuna to have a brainfart at the right moment.

Edited March 24, 2005 by Araiguma_Rascal

[Ryukaze]

I think that if 82 wins is indeed the record, it could be in danger. Right now to me Asashoryu seems even more dominant than at the same time last year. Although he also started last year with 2 back-to-back zensho-yusho. Only if Asashouryu's level goes down because he loses concentration or decides to mail in another basho like that one 9-6 last year, would it become unlikely.

Assuming this one remains zensho, like it appears to be headed, then a 14-1 and three 13-2 basho would make 83 wins. He could also win 6 basho this year I think.

I think it basically depends on Asashouryu himself, and not so much on the other rikishi. Maybe if Hakuho bounces back and seriously works hard to improve himself, he might get a couple wins against the Yokozuna later in the year, but the rest need to hope for some divine intervention or for the Yokozuna to have a brainfart at the right moment.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Now thats what im talking about! lol I'm gonna go ahead and call it right now I say he breaks the record "This year!" what y'all gotta say about that now huh?...lol

[Jakusotsu]

Now thats what im talking about! lol I'm gonna go ahead and call it right now I say he breaks the record "This year!" what y'all gotta say about that now huh?...lol

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

"You're the Greatest and we all bow to Your wisdom!" of course - what else?

[aderechelsea]

Now thats what im talking about! lol I'm gonna go ahead and call it right now I say he breaks the record "This year!" what y'all gotta say about that now huh?...lol

that you are 5 years old and that my dad is stronger than yours .... :-/

[Senpai]

I think Asa has it in him to break the record but will he do it .. well, we'll see!

[Yubiquitoyama]

There is a reason it is an old record and no one has gone better: It's very difficult to only lose 8 in a year. Basically it requires no bad basho for six consecutive basho for a completely dominating rikishi during his peak. Even Asashoryu in the shape that he is is in great danger of some kind of injury during the rest of the year, in which case, even if he doesn't drop out, a bad basho is likely.

Even if indeed he is not injured, he can lose only 6 more to break the record. I personally don't like those slim margins, so if I were to gamble, I would bet Asashoryu won't make it (that is, to break the record rather than tie or fail). I won't bet though, because since Kitanoumi was able to go 82, Asashoryu certainly could if everything goes his way. As of now, I don't think it will, but we'll see...

Edited March 31, 2005 by Yubiquitoyama

[hoshidango]

I tend to think like Yubish here; sure it is possible that Asa break it but likelyhood is not the highest. I mean Asashoryu does not seem to really overwhelm opponents like other yokozunas did; Kitanoumi, Taiho, Wajima etc. Asashoryu cannot even win easily when in gappuri yotsu with many power houses; tochinonada, kyokutenho, kaiho etc. I would say it would be very close or tie this year. May be in 2005 or 2006 etc..

[Araiwa]

I mean Asashoryu does not seem to really overwhelm opponents like other yokozunas did; Kitanoumi, Taiho, Wajima etc. Asashoryu cannot even win easily when in gappuri yotsu with many power houses; tochinonada, kyokutenho, kaiho etc.

Asashoryu has one major advantage the other yokozune you mentioned didn't have. He has no opposition compared for example to Taiho or Kitanoumi. He had three other yokozune (Kashiwado, Tochinoumi, Sadanoyama, later Tamanoumi and Kitanofuji, Kitanoumi had Wajima, Takanohana had the hawaians and the liver). There will still be some time left for Asa until his major rival will/could rise. We have seen Hakuho isn't ready yet, and the ozeki can't thread Asa. But his lonlyness at the sumotop won't last forever, so I think this year or never. The best opportunity he had was last year but his peak or greatest form will continue over the next years so it depends on the quality of his opponents and now seems to be the biggest difference between him and them. But 6 losses only... sounds very very hard to lose that few. I say he goes 80-10.

[Jejima]

We have seen Hakuho isn't ready yet, and the ozeki can't thread Asa.

Tochiazuma's record with the Yokozuna is surprisingly quite close.

You think that Asa will go about 80-10 over 2005. This means that he would need to go at least 12-3 for one basho (if he takes the other three 13-2). I think it would be more likely that he goes 15-0 (Being unsure...)

I reckon the year (barring injuries) will end 84-6 or 85-5 for him (Blushing...)

[Gusoyama]

I don't think its out of the question. He was 78-12 last year, with a poor 9-6 basho in there. If he has two 13-2 and two 14-1 bashos, he'll get there with 84-6.

[_the_mind_]

i think its very possible for him to go 13-2 each of the rest of the bashos this year. while that wont break the record, its close enough that one more Zensho would be all it takes to break the record.

[hoshidango]

I mean Asashoryu does not seem to really overwhelm opponents like other yokozunas did; Kitanoumi, Taiho, Wajima etc. Asashoryu cannot even win easily when in gappuri yotsu with many power houses; tochinonada, kyokutenho, kaiho etc.

Asashoryu has one major advantage the other yokozune you mentioned didn't have. He has no opposition compared for example to Taiho or Kitanoumi. He had three other yokozune (Kashiwado, Tochinoumi, Sadanoyama, later Tamanoumi and Kitanofuji, Kitanoumi had Wajima, Takanohana had the hawaians and the liver). There will still be some time left for Asa until his major rival will/could rise. We have seen Hakuho isn't ready yet, and the ozeki can't thread Asa. But his lonlyness at the sumotop won't last forever, so I think this year or never. The best opportunity he had was last year but his peak or greatest form will continue over the next years so it depends on the quality of his opponents and now seems to be the biggest difference between him and them. But 6 losses only... sounds very very hard to lose that few. I say he goes 80-10.

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Yes, you are right. I forgot this perhaps more critical element than what I was thinking. So his chance of making it might be reduced as other talents start to blossom in 2006 and onwards. Another thing to consider is his "nigates"; Tochiazuma seems to be one of them. On extention of this(which might not be very relevant but I am curious about)I feel he tends to have some challenges with short or/and small wrestlers, and I don't know if someone has stats on this but I feel like average height of wrestlers seems to be shorter than say 5-10yrs ago... can anyone tell me if this is actually the case? And yes I am looking forward to Kaiho-Asashoryu match in couple of months.

[_the_mind_]

something i wanted to throw out there on Asa that i dont think anyone else brought up is he has a psychological edge over the other wrestlers. this is based on the "wrath of Asa" thread i read the other day. if he really does scare the other rikishi like that then that automaticly gives him an advantage over anyone who isnt an ozeki or sekiwakie. i figure those are the only 2 ranks who wouldnt be "afraid" of him. but i mean more along the lines of the first week competition for him is where he gets this advantage. while people he fights all the time wouldnt think that much about it. but if Asa is in anyones head before the match and they are dreading fighting him and loseing sleep over fighting him the next day while he isnt worried about anything, that alone will work in his favor. i mean to have such a fear aura must work to his advantage. i think thats sometimes how he gets away with less practice on the off months, because the megashiras are afraid of him and after he warms up a few days on them he is ready for the sanyaku's by week 2. just a thought. its better to be fears in the ring then not.

[Asashosakari]

If anything, if suppose they could be scared of having him visit them for "practice". ;-)

More seriously though, that psychological edge is definitely there, but I don't think it's because of that. (Except perhaps with Kotomitsuki. :-/) It seems to be more along the lines of an "aura of invincibility" that Asashoryu has cultivated during honbasho; they figuratively (and literally, in the first 10 or so days last basho) can't touch him anymore.

I do think the fame (and money, both in kensho and kinboshi bonuses) that comes with scoring an upset win over Asashoryu makes up for that to some extent, though. I haven't noticed anything resembling lack of fighting spirit against the Yokozuna, even from reliably losing opponents like Iwakiyama and Kakizoe.

All in all, he simply is that much better than everybody else.

Edit: Incidentally...

but i mean more along the lines of the first week competition for him is where he gets this advantage. while people he fights all the time wouldnt think that much about it.

There actually isn't a whole lot of difference between those two groups. The set of Asashoryu's opponents has stayed very consistent over the last year and a half, as there has been a lot of internal movement between Sekiwake and M5, but not very much new blood. (Besides guys like Kokkai, Osh and Hakuho who are obviously here to stay, not just occasional meatgrinder visitors.)

Edited April 2, 2005 by Asashosakari

[genghis]

Asa's chance for breaking records will most probably last by the end of this year. I am not sure if he can even make it 6 this year. By July, he will have to calculate his every moves before he faces Hakuho and he has to produce 2 more masterpieces by the end of the year. Next year, he would be quite happy see Kotooshu's every defeat, may be Roho's also.

He is dominant for now because he is from a different brand of wrestling. So are Hakuho, Osh and Roho. So, his dominance will end soon.

Just to share my knowledge of Mongolian Wrestling: Hakuho has already proven among Mongolians that he has more power, technique and wisdom than Asa. Hakuho's father, Munkhbat the The Absolute and Proven Champion was also very famious with his intimidating reputations. He managed to keep wrestlers of an entire country intimidated for 5 years. Asa is doing pretty well in this respect, but he certainly has a lot to learn from Hakuho's father.

Well, we will see.

[Araiguma_Rascal]

Most Wins in a Calender Year
1 Kitanoumi       82 (1978) 
2 Taiho           81 (1963) 
T-3 Chiyonofuji   80 (1985)
T-3 Takanohana 2  80 (1994, 1995) 
T-5 Wakanohana 2  78 (1978) 
T-5 Takanosato    78 (1983)
T-5 Asashoryu     78 (2004)
T-8 Tochinishiki  77 (1959) 
T-8 Wajima        77 (1973, 1976) 
T-10 Wakanohana 1 76 (1959) 
T-10 Akebono      76 (1993, 2000)

Whatever happens today with Tochiazuma (I think Asa will get his revenge for last basho) Asa will still be on pace for at least 86 wins.

That means he could lose as many as 2 bouts in each of the last 3 basho and still have 83 wins. If he wins today, he could even lose 3 one time.

The way he's playing, it's hard to imagine him losing even that many.

(Pulling hair...)

[Kishinoyama]

I do hope he breaks the record for most wins in a year. I hope he can avoid injury. I think that is the key to whether he can do it or not. (Pulling hair...)

[obinishiki]

Maybe he`s going to marry a second time? (Being thrown tomatoes at...)