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Araiguma_Rascal · March 15, 2005

(In a state of confusion...) This is not at all what we were expecting from the young phenom.

What is wrong, I wonder? Too cocky? Not enough practice? Too much practice? Can't handle the pressure?

Otokonoyama · March 15, 2005

NHK commentators speculated it is jitters and inexperience...

He seems to have hit the wall his oyakata anticipated - question is: will he snap outta it, and put together a strong record from now? Or, just barely kachikoshi? Makekoshi? Kyujo seems highly unlikely...

aderechelsea · March 15, 2005

with the record he will probably hold by nakabi it will be a small KK in week 2 ...

Kashunowaka · March 15, 2005

NHK commentators speculated it is jitters and inexperience...
He seems to have hit the wall his oyakata anticipated - question is: will he snap outta it, and put together a strong record from now? Or, just barely kachikoshi? Makekoshi? Kyujo seems highly unlikely...

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As he is an "ordinary" makuuchi rikishi and not a yokozuna or ozeki, a kyujo would set him back severely. And he doesn't seem injured. So he'll have to deal with it.

The last sekiwake who started with three losses and got kachikoshi in the end was a certain Takahanada in Kyushu 1992, who started 0-4 and finished 10-5.

In other words, kachikoshi now for Hakuho would be quite a feat. He has only faced "easy" opponents so far.

Edited March 15, 2005 by Kashunowaka

Yagura · March 15, 2005

I am pretty sure that Hakuho will overcome. He will defeat Asa (In a state of confusion...) , and will get a 12-3. He is just having a little bit rest before he notices the basho has really started.

And I don't agree that he has just faced easy rivals. Kokkai is not easy at all.

Thanks to everybody writting here, it makes the basho much more interesting.

What to do if the birds doesn't sing?

Tokichiro answers: Make the bird WANT to sing.

Kashunowaka · March 15, 2005

And I don't agree that he has just faced easy rivals. Kokkai is not easy at all.

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Of course not. That's why I wrote "easy". But so far Hakuho has faced M2w Kakizoe, M4e Kokkai and M4w Tochinonada. He has left to face all 7 sanyaku + Wakanosato + Kotomitsuki + Kyokutenho + a couple of others. So I maintain that his opposition so far has been easy in relative terms.

aderechelsea · March 15, 2005

just watched his bout against Nada today ....

he wasn't bad.He just tried to do something really optimistic in the end...

his inexperience showed up today

sumofan · March 15, 2005

I am pretty sure that Hakuho will overcome. He will defeat Asa (In a state of confusion...) , and will get a 12-3. He is just having a little bit rest before he notices the basho has really started.
And I don't agree that he has just faced easy rivals. Kokkai is not easy at all.

Thanks to everybody writting here, it makes the basho much more interesting.

What to do if the birds doesn't sing?

Tokichiro answers: Make the bird WANT to sing.

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maybe so, but Asa, Chiyo, and Kaio are even less easy rivals.

btw wasn't it hideoshi who said 'Make the bird WANT to sing'?

(it has been a long time ago since i read that in some James Clavell novel, so i could be wrong)

EDIT: of course i meant James Clavell, not Clark.

Edited March 15, 2005 by sumofan

ilovesumo · March 15, 2005

I am pretty sure that Hakuho will overcome. He will defeat Asa (In a state of confusion...) , and will get a 12-3. He is just having a little bit rest before he notices the basho has really started.
And I don't agree that he has just faced easy rivals. Kokkai is not easy at all.

YES! But, I am a little bit worried. An MK could make him unsure about his own talent and power. The press can hurt a lot. (Just do not get it...)

1. "He's great!"

2. "He had luck."

3. "We never sayed he's great."

Yagura · March 15, 2005

All of you are quite right. It is only that I felt a little bit sad, because I was hoping for a final day with Asa and Hakuho with 14-0. I must admit that Hakuho should have defeated all his rivals until today.

And for Sumofan. You are also right, it was Toyotomi Hideyoshi, also knwon as Tokichiro, also known as Hiyoshi, or finally Taiko, who said that.

I still bet Hakuho will get 11-4 (only one lost left, to Asa, of course)

ilovesumo · March 15, 2005

The same problem like Takanowaka had? Or Buyuzan? Or all the good ones falling down after a few good KKs??? ;-)

Kashunowaka · March 15, 2005

The same problem like Takanowaka had? Or Buyuzan? Or all the good ones falling down after a few good KKs??? ;-)

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I think it is a little early to throw in the towel. We can still compare Hakuho's achievements so far with Takanohana II, and Hakuho will come out on top. Buyuzan and Takanowaka were never in the same league.

Jakusotsu · March 15, 2005

Buyuzan and Takanowaka were never in the same league.
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Now they are though, and that pretty consistently.

Kashunowaka · March 15, 2005

Buyuzan and Takanowaka were never in the same league.
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Now they are though, and that pretty consistently.

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As Hakuho I meant. But you knew that. ;-)

Kaikitsune Makoto · March 15, 2005

Hakuho looked sharp and good today against Tochinonada. Tachi-ai was good and got into better yotsu. Didn't get his stronger stance though and had to work from hidari-yotsu + Nada had his left hand inside. Hakuho isn't collapsing but has lost to good rikishi who have been able to do their sumo (Kakizoe, Kokkai) and now to Nada after a good bout.

He was training a lot before bahso but got good opposition from many rikishi also in keiko and didn't overwhelm them. Partly the reason must be that he is a new face and his sumo style is more familiar to sanyaku and high maegashira now.

Tomorrow an important bout against Osh.

sumofan · March 15, 2005

And for Sumofan. You are also right, it was Toyotomi Hideyoshi, also knwon as Tokichiro, also known as Hiyoshi, or finally Taiko, who said that.

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yay (Sign of approval)

Asashosakari · March 15, 2005

The same problem like Takanowaka had? Or Buyuzan? Or all the good ones falling down after a few good KKs??? :-P

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You can mostly blame injuries for the downfall of those two though. Well, and in Buyuzan's case probably also a lack of enough talent to remain near sanyaku consistently (even without injuries).

Zentoryu · March 15, 2005

Buyuzan and Takanowaka were never in the same league.

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Buyuzan wasn't even in Takanowaka's league prior to Taka's injury...

Takanowaka looked like he possessed the talent to at least be a Sanyaku/Upper Maegashira regular before the crushing leg injury. He hasn't been the same rikishi since.

Edited March 15, 2005 by Zentoryu

Kashunowaka · March 15, 2005

Buyuzan and Takanowaka were never in the same league.

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Buyuzan wasn't even in Takanowaka's league prior to Taka's injury...

Takanowaka looked like he possessed the talent to at least be a Sanyaku/Upper Maegashira regular before the crushing leg injury. He hasn't been the same rikishi since.

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Just to set the record straight, for those of you who feel that the discussion is over your heads:

League 1

Hakuho

League 2

Takanowaka

League 3

Buyuzan

Araiguma_Rascal · March 16, 2005

I went back to this thread posted by Kintamayama, which says that Hakuho was dodging keiko against Asashoryu. Perhaps this is part of the explanation. Thinking back to last basho, he appeared to be a completely different wrestler than he has so far in this one. He has not appeared to be physically stronger and quicker than his opponents like he did last time.

Edited March 16, 2005 by Araiguma_Rascal

Elenrian · March 16, 2005

Pfffffffff!!! I thought he would not get it today!!! He was quite lucky!!! But, a win is a win! (Being unsure...)

kotooshu_bulgaria · March 16, 2005

Pfffffffff!!! I thought he would not get it today!!! He was quite lucky!!! But, a win is a win! :-O

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I would not call it lucky, Kotooshu just keeps losing when he has only a-one-hand grip despite of having a slight advantage in the beginning. (Sign of disapproval)

Needs to bulk it up or what? (Being unsure...)

Araiguma_Rascal · March 20, 2005

After losing to Kaio in a match where he appeared to be outclassed Hakuho now has a second losing streak. And he still has to face Asashoryu so I figure 9-6 is probably the best-case scenario. Too many loses against lower-ranked rikishi. I hope he can bear down to at least scrape out a kachi-koshi.

Kintamayama · March 20, 2005

After losing to Kaio in a match where he appeared to be outclassed Hakuho now has a second losing streak. And he still has to face Asashoryu so I figure 9-6 is probably the best-case scenario. Too many loses against lower-ranked rikishi. I hope he can bear down to at least scrape out a kachi-koshi.

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He also still has Tochiazuma and Chiyotaikai, no assured victories by far.

Kashunowaka · March 20, 2005

After losing to Kaio in a match where he appeared to be outclassed Hakuho now has a second losing streak. And he still has to face Asashoryu so I figure 9-6 is probably the best-case scenario. Too many loses against lower-ranked rikishi. I hope he can bear down to at least scrape out a kachi-koshi.

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He also still has Tochiazuma and Chiyotaikai, no assured victories by far.

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And probably Kotomitsuki (6-2) and Tochinonada (6-2) too. (And Miyabiyama.)

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