Kintamayama Posted March 14, 2005 Posted March 14, 2005 Since day 10 of Hatsu, Asa has been winning with different kimarite every day, for 8 days running: Uchimuso Tottari Oshidashi Yorikiri Hatakikomi Okuridashi Sukuinage Sotogake Will he make it 9 straight different ones? Is there a record for this sort of thing?
Mattjila Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 Hmm...probably one of the Asa/Kyoku's or Mainoumi has this record. Nevertheless, any change from yorikiri/oshidashi is nice.
Yubiquitoyama Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 (edited) I take the record sought to be one only including consecutive wins (with no losses in between), and I can't say I really know where to find that... I did some random checking and the only thing I got from it was that it's probably rather unusual to get eight consecutive with different kimarite. The yori-guys fail rather quickly and for example Chiyonofuji was never near despite winning quite a few in a row a lot of times. Tochinishiki did eight twice and Wakanohana-1 did it once. During my very small (semi)-random search, the only streak of 9 wins with different kimarite I found was Chiyonoyama in 1951.05 and possibly Wakanohana-3 in 1994.09. So 10 would at least be needed for a record. Asashoryu has done 8 before (in 2004.03) but not more than that. Edited March 15, 2005 by Yubiquitoyama
Asashosakari Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 (edited) and possibly Wakanohana-3 in 1994.09<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can see only 8 there... (Of course, you did write "possibly", so I'm not fully sure what you meant... (Sad goodbyes...) ) Edit: FWIW, there's another such 8-win streak by Asashoryu way back in his lower sanyaku days...2002.03 Day 10 to 2002.05 Day 2. Edit again: Kyokushuzan has a 9-bout streak, from 2002.03 senshuraku to 2002.05 Day 8. I'm more surprised to find him winning 9 bouts in a row than I am about him using all-different kimarite, actually... Edited March 15, 2005 by Asashosakari
Ryukaze Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 Splittin hairs here goodnessssss.......N E Wayz who was the "hatakikomi" against? (I must have missed that.....) (Sad goodbyes...) -
Asashosakari Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 Since I'm bored, here's another 9: Asasekiryu 2003.07 Day 9 to 2003.09 Day 2.
Kaiomitsuki Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 As a KaioU fan i just watch his own statitic For his last 10 wins he had 10 different Kimarite (of course it's not 10 wins in a row) between day 11 Kyushu (Hatakikomi against Roho) and yesterday (Shitatedashinage against Iwakiyama) Hatakikomi Okuritaoshi Uwatedashinage Yorikiri Sukuinage Oshidashi Okuridashi Kainahineri Kotenage Shitatedashinage It's certainly not a record... but i just want to write it (Sad goodbyes...)
Kaiomitsuki Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 As a KaioU fan i just watch his own statiticFor his last 10 wins he had 10 different Kimarite (of course it's not 10 wins in a row) between day 11 Kyushu (Hatakikomi against Roho) and yesterday (Shitatedashinage against Iwakiyama) Hatakikomi Okuritaoshi Uwatedashinage Yorikiri Sukuinage Oshidashi Okuridashi Kainahineri Kotenage Shitatedashinage It's certainly not a record... but i just want to write it (In a state of confusion...) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 11 in a row with a Oshitaoshi today B-)
Asashosakari Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 (edited) And there goes the streak, broken at 8 again...oshidashi. Edit: Naturally, that means he's on a new streak, currently at 6. Edited March 15, 2005 by Asashosakari
Otokonoyama Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 Was it oshidashi or tsukidashi today (Day 3)?
Kintamayama Posted March 15, 2005 Author Posted March 15, 2005 Was it oshidashi or tsukidashi today (Day 3)? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was wondering about it too. It sure looked like a tsukidashi to me, and if I wouldn't know better, it seemed he was going for a tsukidashi on purpose..
Otokonoyama Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 (edited) The commentators on NHK (Japanese language broadcast) called it tsukidashi, and I didn't keep watching for the official call... Edit: And yeah, the tsuki looked like he was doing it intentionally (maybe a little snub at his ex-rival). Edited March 15, 2005 by Otokonoyama
Yubiquitoyama Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 and possibly Wakanohana-3 in 1994.09<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can see only 8 there... (Of course, you did write "possibly", so I'm not fully sure what you meant... (In a state of confusion...) ) Edit: FWIW, there's another such 8-win streak by Asashoryu way back in his lower sanyaku days...2002.03 Day 10 to 2002.05 Day 2. There is some ambiguity about a yoritaoshi in the middle... In Tsubota-san's data it was called an oshitaoshi, and in that case it would be nine... Of course, there are now plenty of other nine-bout streaks so that it hardly matters B-)
QttP Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 Was it oshidashi or tsukidashi today (Day 3)? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The last shove was a two-handed one, so oshidashi.
Kashunowaka Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 I doubt very much that Asashoryu thinks in the middle of a bout: I can win with oshidashi here ... No wait, that would break my precious different-kimarite-streak! I can't let that happen!
sumofan Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 I doubt very much that Asashoryu thinks in the middle of a bout: I can win with oshidashi here ... No wait, that would break my precious different-kimarite-streak! I can't let that happen! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 'die bastard die, get the f* off of MY dohyo' (Hitting with chair...) is more likely i think. the 'die bastard die' bit is probably a bit over the top, but i bet that he is thinking the last part.
Kintamayama Posted March 15, 2005 Author Posted March 15, 2005 (edited) I doubt very much that Asashoryu thinks in the middle of a bout: I can win with oshidashi here ... No wait, that would break my precious different-kimarite-streak! I can't let that happen! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes he does.That's why he went for the tsuki, and was heard cursing loudly in the shitakubeya when it was called an Oshidashi. (Nissan) Edited March 15, 2005 by Kintamayama
Kintamayama Posted March 15, 2005 Author Posted March 15, 2005 From the Kyokai site- tsukidashi (frontal thrust out) - This is one of the most common pushing/thrusting techniques in sumo. The attacker will drive his opponent backwards and over the edge with a rhythmical thrusting motion. Unlike oshidashi (frontal push out) the attacker does not have to maintain hand contact at all times. No mention of one hand or two hands or four hands. There was no "hand contact at all times". He shoved him out from halfway in the dohyo. They blew the call. Tsukidashi.
Kashunowaka Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 I doubt very much that Asashoryu thinks in the middle of a bout: I can win with oshidashi here ... No wait, that would break my precious different-kimarite-streak! I can't let that happen! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes he does.That's why he went for the tsuki, and was heard cursing loudly in the shitakubeya when it was called an Oshidashi. (Nissan) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In that case - I'll be damned! Says something about his supremacy, if he can afford to worry about such things.
Kintamayama Posted March 15, 2005 Author Posted March 15, 2005 I doubt very much that Asashoryu thinks in the middle of a bout: I can win with oshidashi here ... No wait, that would break my precious different-kimarite-streak! I can't let that happen! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes he does.That's why he went for the tsuki, and was heard cursing loudly in the shitakubeya when it was called an Oshidashi. (Nissan) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In that case - I'll be damned! Says something about his supremacy, if he can afford to worry about such things. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't be..I was joking/lying.. Nissan is a car, not a news agency.. I was kidding about his intention in my first post about it."if I wouldn't know better ..etc.."
Kashunowaka Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 Don't be..I was joking/lying.. Nissan is a car, not a news agency.. I was kidding about his intention in my first post about it."if I wouldn't know better ..etc.." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Aha! So that's why you changed Nikkan to Nissan. Well, I am easily fooled. ;-)
Kintamayama Posted March 15, 2005 Author Posted March 15, 2005 Don't be..I was joking/lying.. Nissan is a car, not a news agency.. I was kidding about his intention in my first post about it."if I wouldn't know better ..etc.." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Aha! So that's why you changed Nikkan to Nissan. Well, I am easily fooled. ;-) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, I changed that immediately after I posted. Are you saying you saw the post with "Nikkan" in it?? Then you are very quick.
Kashunowaka Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 Actually, I changed that immediately after I posted. Are you saying you saw the post with "Nikkan" in it?? Then you are very quick. Either that, or I used my psychic abilities. ;-)
Otokonoyama Posted March 15, 2005 Posted March 15, 2005 From the Kyokai site- tsukidashi (frontal thrust out) - This is one of the most common pushing/thrusting techniques in sumo. The attacker will drive his opponent backwards and over the edge with a rhythmical thrusting motion. Unlike oshidashi (frontal push out) the attacker does not have to maintain hand contact at all times.No mention of one hand or two hands or four hands. There was no "hand contact at all times". He shoved him out from halfway in the dohyo. They blew the call. Tsukidashi. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Checked every resource I have in English & Japanese, both online & in print. Kinta-san is dead-on...blow call; definitely tsukidashi! ;-)
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