GTB - HELP

[AsaMoe]

This time i will make my first entry to GTB. Can someone more experienced give me some useful links ?

Maybe a link to a how to make a banzuke site and to some kind of a database ?

Thanks

[Golynohana]

This time i will make my first entry to GTB. Can someone more experienced give me some useful links ?

Maybe a link to a how to make a banzuke site and to some kind of a database ?

Thanks

The only thing i am actually using for GTB is Kashunowaka's promotion search on http://www.hakkeyoi.net/

I reccomend this site, it was very helpful when i played this game for the first time last basho.

Edited December 2, 2004 by Golynohana

[Kishinoyama]

This time i will make my first entry to GTB. Can someone more experienced give me some useful links ?

Maybe a link to a how to make a banzuke site and to some kind of a database ?

Thanks

The only thing i am actually using for GTB is Kashunowaka's promotion search on http://www.hakkeyoi.net/

I reccomend this site, it was very helpful when i played this game for the first time last basho.

Thank you for the link. I am thinking about playing some of the sumo games for the first time... but...... (Being unsure...) I am gonna think about it a while longer.

[Asashosakari]

FWIW, the way I started out with GTB was to take a recent banzuke with that basho's win-loss records, and then simply try to figure out why the next banzuke ended up looking the way it did, i.e. you basically (re)play an old GTB contest with the actual banzuke as a cheat sheet, so to speak. Do that with a couple of them if you feel like investing the time, and maybe review what's been posted in GTB-themed threads here in the past, and the general patterns of banzuke-making should become pretty clear.

FWIW #2, I've pretty much sworn off using the Hakkeyoi promotion search (as much as I like the rest of the site)...in my experience, you might as well go by gut feeling. Trying to predict the Kyokai's decisions by specific precedence cases hasn't worked too well in the last year or two, as far as I can tell. If it did, we wouldn't even be wondering right now whether or not Hakuho will be Sekiwake next basho...

Edited December 3, 2004 by Asashosakari

[Kashunowaka]

FWIW #2, I've pretty much sworn off using the Hakkeyoi promotion search (as much as I like the rest of the site)...in my experience, you might as well go by gut feeling.

Hey, don't blame the search that the Kyokai makes the wrong decisions. (Being unsure...)

[AsaMoe]

Thanks all for your help.

I am just wodering, if there is a site, where you could download the results from the last bashos and the banzuke in an easy excel-readable form ?

[Jakusotsu]

Try this: http://www.scgroup.com/sumo/format.html

[AsaMoe]

After i have studied the rules, i have one more question:

points are given for the correct positioning of the rikishi. But what happens, if i misguess the numbers of sekiwakes ? Doesn't this mean, that all other are wrong, especially, if i guess 3 instead of 5 or vice versa ?

[Gernobono]

points are given for the correct positioning of the rikishi. But what happens, if i misguess the numbers of sekiwakes ? Doesn't this mean, that all other are wrong, especially, if i guess 3 instead of 5 or vice versa ?

you are correct

guessing the right number of sanyaku is abolutely vital to get a good score....

i guess it will be very interesting to see which route (3-5) the kyokai follows....

[Kintamayama]

After i have studied the rules, i have one more question:

points are given for the correct positioning of the rikishi. But what happens, if i misguess the numbers of sekiwakes ? Doesn't this mean, that all other are wrong, especially, if i guess 3 instead of 5 or vice versa ?

You don't have to guess the NUMBER of Sekiwakes- you need to guess their positions. So if you guess three Sekiwake correctly, and there willl actually be five, your three guesses count of course. But then, the rest of the guess would really be a big mess..

Edited December 5, 2004 by Kintamayama

[Kashunowaka]

You don't have to guess the NUMBER of Sekiwakes-

Yes, you do. As you say yourself, if you don't get the number of sanyaku right, you're pretty much screwed.

[Kintamayama]

You don't have to guess the NUMBER of Sekiwakes-

Yes, you do. As you say yourself, if you don't get the number of sanyaku right, you're pretty much screwed.

I mean RULE wise- not guessing the correct number of Sekiwake doesn't result in all of the Sekiwake guesses being disqualified.

As for missing the number of Sanyaku, that doesn't guarantee a disaster. There were instances in the past where the number of Sanyaku was wrong, but the guesses somehow evened out.

Not recommended, though.

Edited December 5, 2004 by Kintamayama

[Kashunowaka]

You don't have to guess the NUMBER of Sekiwakes-

Yes, you do. As you say yourself, if you don't get the number of sanyaku right, you're pretty much screwed.

I mean RULE wise- not guessing the correct number of Sekiwake doesn't result in all of the Sekiwake guesses being disqualified.

As for missing the number of Sanyaku, that doesn't guarantee a disaster.

Somehow I don't feel comforted by that ... :-D Well, it's only a game, and I have decided to have as many sekiwake in my guess as I think there should be, although I have a feeling that the real banzuke will have a different number of sekiwake.

[AsaMoe]

That is, if i have a correct understanding of the scoring:

if i have the number of sekiwakes right and all other else, i score 1 point for rank and 1 point for correct east/west.

if i have the number of sekiwakes wrong by one, i score 1 point for every second rikishi for rank

And if i have the number of sekiwakes wrong by two, i score nothing at all.

In all three cases the scores will be leveled for wrong guesses.

So i have good chances if i guess the number of sekiwakes wrong and make a lot of errors in the proceeding. :-D

[Doitsuyama]

That is, if i have a correct understanding of the scoring:

if i have the number of sekiwakes right and all other else, i score 1 point for rank and 1 point for correct east/west.

if i have the number of sekiwakes wrong by one, i score 1 point for every second rikishi for rank

And if i have the number of sekiwakes wrong by two, i score nothing at all.

In all three cases the scores will be leveled for wrong guesses.

So i have good chances if i guess the number of sekiwakes wrong and make a lot of errors in the proceeding. :-D

This is not totally true. Take Kokkai at M2w with a 7-8. Regardless of the number of Sekiwake, his next rank should be M3w (more or less...). Generally spoken, the number of Sekiwake rather tends to affect the kachi-koshi rikishi with promotions of different height. So the points for guesses of make-koshi rikishi aren't affected that much.

Said that, the GTB entry is a case for the trash bin, if the Sanyaku are wrong, yes.

[Kashunowaka]

Thanks all for your help.

I am just wodering, if there is a site, where you could download the results from the last bashos and the banzuke in an easy excel-readable form ?

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A little late in the day, but perhaps useful anyway for those of you who still agonize over your GTB guesses. And for a rainy day, of course. (Clapping wildly...)

Banzuke with results in tab-separated format:

http://hakkeyoi.net/result-200411.txt

http://hakkeyoi.net/result-200411.xls works too - it's the same file, but it should conveniently open in Excel, which recognizes the tab-separated format.

OpenOffice users: select file type Text CSV when opening in Calc.

Suggestions for improvement are welcome. (Second prize...)

Edited December 17, 2004 by Kashunowaka

[Zeokage]

Perfect! This is what I end up trying to do each time I do this (ok, it's only been 3 times, but still...). The only thing I could suggest is a version where everyone is in one column. Great job!