Kyushu 2025 discussion (results)

[Jyuunomori]

That's absolutely wild. Hoshoryu looked like a fresh Maegashira facing a Yokozuna out there...two days in a row.

Aonishiki is ridiculously skilled. I've thought he was an Ozeki material by his skill alone since his climb from Juryo to Sanyaku, but I think he might be Yokozuna material from skill alone. And he is just going to get more experienced and stronger too. When he is fully realized as a rikishi, it is going to be scary times.

Shadows of Harumafuji, without HNH.

[Tigerboy1966]

18 minutes ago, Leoben said:

How many 21 year old rikishi have been better than him in recent memory?

Hakuho and Takanohana are the only ones I can find since 1990.

So he will make yokozuna, win tons of yusho, establish his own stable, annoy everyone, and get kicked out of the sport.

[RabidJohn]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Aonishiki ozeki within 2025 - that (Haru 2024) prediction fulfilled, so I go on with the next not so bold one looking now: yokozuna within 2026

Yeah, barring injury, Aonishiki certainly looks like he will be the first European yokozuna. 

What an amazing result. My congratulations to Aonishiki and Ajigawa-san.

Hoshoryu's hunt for his first yokozuna yusho just got even harder, but Hatsu 26 could be an opportunity with Onosato coming off injury and Aonishiki having to deal with the inevitable yusho and promotion celebrations.

 

 

[RabidJohn]

Of the other young hopefuls, Hakuoho is going to have to regroup, which is quite normal after a basho in the meatgrinder. Let's see how he comes back.

Yoshinofuji, though... He looks very handy.

 

 

Edited November 23 by RabidJohn

[I am the Yokozuna]

In all, and it muster be said deserved, plaudits do Aonishiki, I hope that the second in a row, very Yokozuna-worthy, score by Hoshoryu would not be missed out. He has started growing in the rank and I hope soon he could achieve his first Yokozuna yusho.

as the things came to pass, I believe Kotozakura would be quite relieved that he is not the lone oozeki. 

so Takayasu once again at a sekiwake? He would have put three days ago 10€ on such a bet?

schade that St. Hakuho won’t be promoted. 

[Koorifuu]

Hoshoryu in the last 5 basho he's completed: 1 yusho, 2 doten, 2 jun-yusho. Underrated.

[Octofuji]

18 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Hoshoryu in the last 5 basho he's completed: 1 yusho, 2 doten, 2 jun-yusho. Underrated.

It's going to be fascinating to see how he responds to being outskilled by Aonishiki four times in a row. Pulling to try and get into a better position doesn't seem to be working.

Does he use his Yokozuna privilege to call him out until he learns how to beat him, like Chiyonofuji did to Konishiki?

That could seriously backfire though...

[Bunbukuchagama]

1 hour ago, Octofuji said:

It's going to be fascinating to see how he responds to being outskilled by Aonishiki four times in a row. Pulling to try and get into a better position doesn't seem to be working.

Does he use his Yokozuna privilege to call him out until he learns how to beat him, like Chiyonofuji did to Konishiki?

That could seriously backfire though...

Hoshoryu looks absolutely lost against Aonishiki - like he is fighting an alien. 

[Bunbukuchagama]

Just now, Gospodin said:

,That would be utterly classless, imo. Not worth of a Yokozuna.

Expect a butsukari hazing next jungyo.

[Gospodin]

1 hour ago, Octofuji said:

Does he use his Yokozuna privilege to call him out until he learns how to beat him, like Chiyonofuji did to Konishiki?

That would be utterly classless, imo. Not worth of a Yokozuna.

[RabidJohn]

48 minutes ago, Gospodin said:

That would be utterly classless, imo. Not worth of a Yokozuna.

What? Why?

Yokozuna are expected to win, and if they are not winning they are expected to do something about it.

Calling at Ajigawa-beya to get some training in with Aonishiki strikes me as being an eminently sensible way of going about things.

Don't forget that every bout between them is an equal opportunity for both Hoshoryu and Aonishiki to learn about each other.

[Wakawakawaka]

It's all about how it is spun.

Hoshoryu: 'Aonishiki is very strong, I want to train against the strongest rikishi, iron sharpens iron, yada yada'

Aonishiki: 'It is a priviledge to train against Yokozuna'

[Akinomaki]

The most wins of the year award was handed out today by Kyushu basho sponsor NishiNippon shimbun, after the main awards, but Onosato was not there for this first time award for him - Nishonoseki had to accept the cup from the company president.  o

[Akinomaki]

Golden macaron

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but only one fish at the heya - with also ozeki promotion, he should have 2 - Hoshoryu likely had at least one at the heya, they should have asked there for more

o

[Tigerboy1966]

We have entered into an era in which a triumvirate of young, extremely accomplished champions are likely to dominate. I can't see anyone else taking a yusho in 2026 unless Krishima returns to his 2023 form.

By 2027 a new Mongolian wave might be breaking on maku'uchi, and things should get even more interesting.

[Kotomiyama]

Aonishiki continues to astound. He has got skills, willpower while maintaining proper hinkaku. He can be Yokozuna by this time next year and I bet he will.

Do you remember when we wrote about a changing of guard? It came like a cannonball. Only Tamawashi and Takayasu refuse to let go.

[Ripe]

6 hours ago, Octofuji said:

It's going to be fascinating to see how he responds to being outskilled by Aonishiki four times in a row. Pulling to try and get into a better position doesn't seem to be working.

Does he use his Yokozuna privilege to call him out until he learns how to beat him, like Chiyonofuji did to Konishiki?

That could seriously backfire though...

Would that even be possible? Chiyonofuji and Konishiki belonged to same Ichimon so it was probably easy to organize (and harder for Konishiki to refuse). Hoshoryu and Aonishiki do not belong to same Ichimon (weirdly enough, Tatsunami Heya is not part of Tatsunami Ichimon). I know there is joint training sessions organized between different heyas, but isn't that limited to Heya from within Ichimon?

[Reonito]

Aonishiki overcame a henka and a questionable call on his way to this title. TBF Hoshoryu also overcame a henka, but got the benefit of today's walkover win. Both guys are awesome and I look forward to many future meetings between them, though I'm not sure Hoshoryu does 

[Sumo Spiffy]

1 hour ago, Ripe said:

Would that even be possible? Chiyonofuji and Konishiki belonged to same Ichimon so it was probably easy to organize (and harder for Konishiki to refuse). Hoshoryu and Aonishiki do not belong to same Ichimon (weirdly enough, Tatsunami Heya is not part of Tatsunami Ichimon). I know there is joint training sessions organized between different heyas, but isn't that limited to Heya from within Ichimon?

Training sessions can happen between anyone who wants to train together. Fellow ichimon members make for more natural options, but anyone can train with anyone.

A better question might be if Aonishiki would take Hoshoryu up on such an offer to any substantial degree. Hoshoryu needs that head-to-head practice a lot more than he does.

[Fashiritētā]

Aonishiki showing his amateur wrestling prowess, once hes inside he goes to  the amateur  wrestling and Hoshoryu is not used to the that .

Maybe Hoshoryu should do some amateur freestyle wrestling training.

Edited November 23 by Fashiritētā

[Ripe]

54 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Training sessions can happen between anyone who wants to train together. Fellow ichimon members make for more natural options, but anyone can train with anyone.

A better question might be if Aonishiki would take Hoshoryu up on such an offer to any substantial degree. Hoshoryu needs that head-to-head practice a lot more than he does.

Thanks for the answer.

And yes, even if Aonishiki does take him up on such an offer (since it might look bad to refuse a Yokozuna) the question is would he give his best in those training sessions? Or would he try and keep a lot hidden? Because you are correct, Aonishiki does not need that head-to-head practice and there is nothing he could gain from it...

[Akinomaki]

1 hour ago, Fashiritētā said:

Aonishiki showing his amateur wrestling prowess, once hes inside he goes to  the amateur  wrestling and Hoshoryu is not used to the that .

Maybe Hoshoryu should do some amateur freestyle wrestling training.

Hoshoryu did amateur wrestling first in highschool and later switched to sumo.

Both really should train together, Hoshoryu knows how to beat Onosato.

[Koorifuu]

Kazuma is now 31-1 on bouts where his knee didn't implode halfway through. Tatsuosho prevented him from claiming all the unsalaried div yusho along the way to juryo.

[Godango]

The optics would be pretty bad to refuse to train/give your all in training against a yokozuna. Especially someone in Aonishiki's position. He'll be plenty busy and opportunities may be legitimately limited, but I can't imagine a world where he'd just say no, or obviously not give it a good effort. 

[Bunbukuchagama]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Hoshoryu did amateur wrestling first in highschool and later switched to sumo.

I thought his background was in judo?