Nagoya 2025 discussion (results)

[Gospodin]

Abi´s arms are shot. Call it the "oshi-fate". I give him another year in Makuuchi at most.

Good to see Oonosato employing a nodowa how it is/was meant to be: to get your opponent into an upright position, not administering a kind of throat punch.

Hoshoryu once again showed one glaring weakness: if a bout doesn´t go as he anticipated and is kept on the move, he suddenly becomes half of what he is. It may sound stupid, but he should study a lot of film, not only his own bouts.

[TheGunbaiHolder]

53 minutes ago, Oskanohana said:

2 hours ago, Tsubame said:

Abi henka'ed his way out of my heart. 

You should try some introspection and think how did he, of all people, get there in the first place.

[Reonito]

Anyone who falls for an Abi henka at this point has only themselves to blame. We saw two great examples of shutting down a henka attempt in Juryo today, by Kagayaki (against Hitoshi) and by Shonannoumi against another regular flying henka practitioner, Tamashoho

[Tsubame]

2 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

3 hours ago, Tsubame said:

Abi henka'ed his way out of my heart. 

You should try some introspection and think how did he, of all people, get there in the first place.

I mean his shikos are still one of the most impressives. 

[Sumo Spiffy]

Does anyone know if something's up with Fujinokawa? He looked very wobbly after his match, but it was hard to tell if it ran his face into Hidenoumi too hard or if something lower down hurt.

[Reonito]

Just now, Sumo Spiffy said:

Does anyone know if something's up with Fujinokawa? He looked very wobbly after his match, but it was hard to tell if it ran his face into Hidenoumi too hard or if something lower down hurt.

seemed like he strained something, but I haven't see any news...

[Oskanohana]

34 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Anyone who falls for an Abi henka at this point has only themselves to blame. We saw two great examples of shutting down a henka attempt in Juryo today, by Kagayaki (against Hitoshi) and by Shonannoumi against another regular flying henka practitioner, Tamashoho

How bad you have to henka to get caught by Kagayaki, who is as clueless as they come. Hitoshi really baffles me. He can do proper sumo, but he started doing dodgy stuff maybe because of the injury on his juryo debut. He sort of steadied himself out but now he's back to sucking with a vengeance. I don't know what Hitoshi is gonna show any given day. As for the insult on Tamashoho, I'll let it slide because it's nonsense, he's a pillar of the community and a stalwart of proper sumo, just as his master Chiyoshoma.

 

3 hours ago, Tsubame said:

Abi henka'ed his way out of my heart. 

2 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

You should try some introspection and think how did he, of all people, get there in the first place.

21 minutes ago, Tsubame said:

I mean his shikos are still one of the most impressives. 

So you're telling me you like him because how he opens his legs. I'm absolutely appalled by this sexist talk, reminiscing of old times when one sex was subdued to the other.

Japanese sumo is the absolute pinnacle of equality, no matter your sex (as long as you're the correct one), religion (well, this is kind of a part of a religion, you know, so no OTHER religions) or nationality (but only one of those pesky outsiders per stable, please).

[dingo]

3 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

 

 Kirishima is wily enough and if he's recovered from his unexplicable lack of staying power, who's there to deny him? Onosato is one. From the rest....Aonishiki maybe? Not enough. Kiribayama next yokozuna. Book it.

Well at least the two yokozuna would deny him. Maybe a few sanyaku as well. Getting two yusho in a row nowadays won't be that easy unless you're Onosato... 

[Heather82Cs]

13 hours ago, Athenayama said:

I'm wondering where are all those now who were claiming not so long ago that Kirishima "is finished" that "he is not Sanyaku material" and so on.....

They are chatting with those who "Aonishiki maybe doesn't even belong here, should still prove himself

[Koorifuu]

Don't let Abi fool you: he might need his unique oshi and dodgi style to survive in the joi, but his basics should still be strong enough to remain in makuuchi even if he loses his edge. It's just that he tends to face people who vastly outclass him in that aspect.

[Wakawakawaka]

6 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Does anyone know if something's up with Fujinokawa? He looked very wobbly after his match, but it was hard to tell if it ran his face into Hidenoumi too hard or if something lower down hurt.

In the interview room he said he tweaked his neck, but he didn't look in any obvious pain there. Hopefully nothing major...

[Kaninoyama]

So...not a good day to be a Yokozuna. But a great day to be Abi. And no henka!

Edited July 16 by Kaninoyama

[RabidJohn]

Does Abi read this forum? People writing him off as a knackered henka merchant, and then he does that to Onosato! No henka, no pulling, no tawara trickery - just straight on oshizumo. Salary increment well earned.

[Heather82Cs]

2 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Does Abi read this forum? People writing him off as a knackered henka merchant, and then he does that to Onosato! No henka, no pulling, no tawara trickery - just straight on oshizumo. Salary increment well earned.

Are you here from the future? Abi-Onosato is tomorrow.

[Heather82Cs]

15 hours ago, Gospodin said:

Abi´s arms are shot. Call it the "oshi-fate". I give him another year in Makuuchi at most.

Good to see Oonosato employing a nodowa how it is/was meant to be: to get your opponent into an upright position, not administering a kind of throat punch.

Hoshoryu once again showed one glaring weakness: if a bout doesn´t go as he anticipated and is kept on the move, he suddenly becomes half of what he is. It may sound stupid, but he should study a lot of film, not only his own bouts.

Re your last statement, you would then agree that's also true of Onosato now, yes?

[Akinomaki]

Now Inosuke has to hand in his fake resignation, the formality for a tate-gyoji sashi chigae (autocorrect makes that a cigar), instead of using the tanto.

Hoshoryu kyujo coming, maybe for the toe injury on the 4th. He is too reckless in training and gets injured all the time.

Onosato is extremely efficient there, but he has to get in line of my prediction of 11 wins from promotion hangover 

[Akinomaki]

Some tabloid had alleged last week that Inosuke is over the limit, I have to read that now. If he retires early and doesn't become Shonosuke, our beloved Konosuke will be tate-gyoji earlier.

[Jyuunomori]

What was Oonosato's plan with going backwards instead of forward? Sure, Abi can push, but he shouldn't be able to harm a big guy like Oonosato. Just go forward, stand there and take it, grab and walk Abi out. Should be simple. Maybe a certain saying by certain boxer applied here?

Aonishiki doing things, as expected at this point. Moving on.

[Athenayama]

@Jyuunomori Probably you'd like to edit your comment above soon?

[hakutorizakura]

What's with the Abi-Oho confusion today 

[Gospodin]

36 minutes ago, Heather82Cs said:

Re your last statement, you would then agree that's also true of Onosato now, yes?

Not exactly. Hoshoryu shows a pattern here, Oonosato doesn´t.

[mugatake]

42 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Some tabloid had alleged last week that Inosuke is over the limit, I have to read that now. If he retires early and doesn't become Shonosuke, our beloved Konosuke will be tate-gyoji earlier.

Is there such a rule? 

[Akinomaki]

30 minutes ago, mugatake said:

Is there such a rule? 

No rule, just health reasons or something like that, not too much sashi chigae or so 

[junsan]

Ok, Aonishiki has convinced me. He's looking solid.

In the event a completely healthy Yokozuna gets or is about to get a losing record, does he outight retire or just pull out citing/inventing an injury and aim for next time? Curse to be promoted young and not ready as it cuts short a career ruthlessly.

[Akinomaki]

22 minutes ago, junsan said:

In the event a completely healthy Yokozuna gets or is about to get a losing record, does he outight retire or just pull out citing/inventing an injury and aim for next time? Curse to be promoted young and not ready as it cuts short a career ruthlessly.

Nobody is completely healthy in sumo, the injury doesn't have to be invented, only used, which lower ranks don't do, because they get demoted. Another kyujo won't force Hoshoryu to retire, nor does a direct makekoshi, but a 3rd this year likely would.